12 days left before the ban of sales in CA!
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Where California goes, the nation soon follows. We are ALL in this together regardless of where we call home. One of my "converts" at work actually bought his e-cig at a truck stop while in California. He's a bricks-and-mortar kind of guy and buys nothing sight unseen. If the only place you could get an e-cig was online, he'd still be smoking 3 packs of analogs a day.
SB 400 would really screw people like him.
Even harder than he got screwed by that truck stop
(poke poke It wasn't really all that bad of a deal at least it wasn't an SE, and he's still using the cartridges he bought in bulk with it 6 months ago. )
Where California goes, the nation soon follows. We are ALL in this together regardless of where we call home. One of my "converts" at work actually bought his e-cig at a truck stop while in California. He's a bricks-and-mortar kind of guy and buys nothing sight unseen. If the only place you could get an e-cig was online, he'd still be smoking 3 packs of analogs a day.
SB 400 would really screw people like him.
Even harder than he got screwed by that truck stop
(poke poke It wasn't really all that bad of a deal at least it wasn't an SE, and he's still using the cartridges he bought in bulk with it 6 months ago. )
Cross your toes too... it doesn't just effect California brick & mortar stores - we've got some good online sources that will be hit with this ban.
Is anyone sending faxes? They're more likely to be read by the right people than email.
Almost all Indian Reservations are exempt from these laws.
The reason being is they are considered separate Nations that govern themselves. At least that's the way it was explained to me back in HighSchool (11+ years ago)
The reason being is they are considered separate Nations that govern themselves. At least that's the way it was explained to me back in HighSchool (11+ years ago)
By treaty they are sovereign nations, but that doesn't stop governments from trying like heck to collect taxes from them anyway. Here in New York state, our government has been trying to pass legislation for years that would force reservations to collect state and federal taxes on all their gasoline and tobacco sales; this has been a huge controversy for quite some time as well as an anxious situation for those of us who buy products there. It seems like at least once a year the news in Buffalo (yes, i'm originally from Buffalo) would inform people that they are going to start collecting taxes soon, and native americans are always protesting.
The reason? Massive amounts of lost revenue from those who travel to the reservation just to buy gas and cigarettes; polls showed that about 60% of smokers in the Buffalo area buy their cigarettes on the res. New York state is apparently hurting so much for cash in spite of the common 8% sales tax around here and the cigs that cost $7 a pack that they "need" all those tax dollars being lost on the reservation and are willing to break treaties for it
go figure
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Um, if you're a writing a message to the Governor to support e-cigs, wouldn't that be pro?
Con is against the bill...Pro is for the bill...
Sent mine in, once Cali goes, the rest of the states will follow shortly thereafter.
Sent mine in, once Cali goes, the rest of the states will follow shortly thereafter.
Sent...but also placed another 250 ml ,unflavored 48mg juice order just in case.
I can build my own battery packs,and have a good supply of brand new atties
I can build my own battery packs,and have a good supply of brand new atties
I think California needs to clean house in Sacramento starting with Arnold then Pelosi and Boxer. Then you guys might have a chance with the ban.
Count me in...I submitted mine also. Unless he has a personal stake in the tobacco industry there should be no reason to ban them. I even suggested California be the first to produce an approved FDA e-liquid. Imagine the income they could generate being a nation wide supplier!
Þornbjörg;612854 said:Here's a good way to contact him about this issue.
Þornbjörg,
Done, and thank you very much for providing a fast and easy way to do this. I do not live in CA, but as has been pointed out the trend will start there!
EDIT: tried to quote the entire thing, but cannot post links yet so shortened it
I sent my email, and i'm in NH!
I let him know i've met him (which i have) and that i'm a bodybuilder (i am); and how amazing this product is for me and everyone i know who has tried it.
hopefully he can relate to my story, as i told him he was my inspiration growing up as a kid, and to not take that inspiration away from me. (bit of a stretch but still...)
I let him know i've met him (which i have) and that i'm a bodybuilder (i am); and how amazing this product is for me and everyone i know who has tried it.
hopefully he can relate to my story, as i told him he was my inspiration growing up as a kid, and to not take that inspiration away from me. (bit of a stretch but still...)
Please send the following e-mail to everyone you can. Our friends and family can also help us! Remember we only have one week left!
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Please help stop the ban to sell electronic cigarettes in California!
As is often stated, "Smoking tobacco is the single leading cause of preventable death worldwide, in California our legislators may become the leading cause of preventable tobacco related deaths.
Electronic cigarettes are a viable alternative to smoking tobacco cigarettes and are helping thousands of people to quit smoking. The electronic cigarette produces no second hand smoke, smell, or litter and is beneficial to smokers and those around them. Making it beneficial for everyone.
Electronic cigarettes have been kept from the general public for twenty-two years JAMA -- Abstract: Nicotine Replacement in Smoking Cessation: Absorption of Nicotine Vapor From Smoke-Free Cigarettes, June 19, 1987, Russell et al. 257 (23): 3262. How many people have died in the last twenty-two years due to smoking tobacco cigarettes?
There have been no reported illnesses or deaths from using electronic cigarettes. The FDA and our governments are fighting electronic cigarettes and both are motivated by profit. Since 1992 the FDA has been supported by private companies, mainly Tobacco and pharmaceutical companies, instead of government funds. This is a conflict of interest for the health of people in the U.S. The FDA recently published a report that propylene glycol, the ingredient in electronic cigarettes used to create the vapor, is also an ingredient in anti freeze. Propylene glycol actually replaced chemicals used in antifreeze to make antifreeze non toxic! It is also used in many other consumer products, including toothpaste. Propylene glycol is known to be harmless and is also a beneficial germicide which kills air-suspended pneumococci and streptococci bacteria, and influenza virus! This has been known since 1942. Medicine: Air Germicide - TIME. The FDA has resorted to scare tactics to protect their interests and their credibility should seriously be questioned! Our government also receives millions of dollars from tobacco taxes. Needless to say, our state and federal governments are as addicted to tobacco tax income as smokers are to nicotine! Electronic cigarettes are a very real threat to those who depend on profiting from tobacco and pharmaceutical products.
Senator Corbett, who drafted the bill in California, was able to move the bill through the legislative process in stealth mode by introducing the bill as a Green Vehicle Bill. Bill List The bill then morphed into a bill to make it a crime to sell electronic cigarette devices. The bill, SB 400, amends the Stop Tobacco Access to Kids Enforcement Act (STAKE Act). The amendment provides no new safety measures to protect children from tobacco products, as it is already illegal to sell nicotine products to minors in California, but serves as a smoke screen to keep electronic cigarettes out of California. The bill narrowly passed with 16 yes and 14 no votes in the Senate. Many senators thought the bill was intended to ban selling electronic cigarettes to minors and were surprised to learn it would also ban selling of electronic cigarettes to adults. Based on polls in the electronic cigarette community forums, the average electronic smoker is 41 years old. The majority being long term smokers who have not been able to quit smoking tobacco cigarettes until the availability of electronic cigarettes.
The bill now sits on Governor Schwarzenegger's desk. If he does nothing the bill will go into effect in January 2010; However, Governor Schwarzenegger has the power to veto the bill before October 11, 2009. The Governor also smokes cigars, and yes there are also electronic cigars and pipes available.
Right now we need a blitz of e-mails to California Governor Schwarzenegger to save lives and stop California from banning the sale of e-cigarettes! Yes, we will still be able to buy them on the internet from other states, but it will make access to e-cigarettes very difficult for many people here in California. Passage of the bill will also provide a negative perception of e-cigarettes. A perception that is needed by the FDA and governments to continue passing legislation against e-cigarettes. Please e-mail Governor Schwarzenegger this week. We only have a week left for him to veto the bill that will ban electronic cigarettes. Please help even if you are not a resident of California. Remember As goes California So Goes the Nation.
Please send one of the following messages in an e-mail to Governor Schwarzenegger this week. Here is the link to e-mail him: Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger - Interact
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Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,
Electronic cigarettes are beneficial to smokers and non smokers. Help me to save my life. Support Electronic Cigarettes and Veto SB 400!
Respectfully Submitted
Your Name
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Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,
Electronic cigarettes are are beneficial to smokers and non smokers."Please help save the lives of my family and friends". Support Electronic Cigarettes and Veto SB 400!
Respectfully Submitted
Your Name
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Dear Governor Schwarzenegger
Electronic cigarettes are beneficial to smokers and non smokers. "Please help reduce second hand smoke". Support Electronic Cigarettes and Veto SB 400!
Respectfully Submitted
Your Name
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Please help by forwarding this message to others. Thank you.
Here are some links if you are not familiar with, or would like to know more about electronic cigarettes:
YouTube - Fox News on E-Cigarettes
FDA smoke screen on e-cigarettes - Washington Times
Press Release - E-Cigarettes Receive Support From Consumers, Prominent Doctors Amid Controversy
Murray Laugesen: E Cigarette Interview
JAMA -- Abstract: Nicotine Replacement in Smoking Cessation: Absorption of Nicotine Vapor From Smoke-Free Cigarettes, June 19, 1987, Russell et al. 257 (23): 3262
Medicine: Air Germicide - TIME
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Please help stop the ban to sell electronic cigarettes in California!
As is often stated, "Smoking tobacco is the single leading cause of preventable death worldwide, in California our legislators may become the leading cause of preventable tobacco related deaths.
Electronic cigarettes are a viable alternative to smoking tobacco cigarettes and are helping thousands of people to quit smoking. The electronic cigarette produces no second hand smoke, smell, or litter and is beneficial to smokers and those around them. Making it beneficial for everyone.
Electronic cigarettes have been kept from the general public for twenty-two years JAMA -- Abstract: Nicotine Replacement in Smoking Cessation: Absorption of Nicotine Vapor From Smoke-Free Cigarettes, June 19, 1987, Russell et al. 257 (23): 3262. How many people have died in the last twenty-two years due to smoking tobacco cigarettes?
There have been no reported illnesses or deaths from using electronic cigarettes. The FDA and our governments are fighting electronic cigarettes and both are motivated by profit. Since 1992 the FDA has been supported by private companies, mainly Tobacco and pharmaceutical companies, instead of government funds. This is a conflict of interest for the health of people in the U.S. The FDA recently published a report that propylene glycol, the ingredient in electronic cigarettes used to create the vapor, is also an ingredient in anti freeze. Propylene glycol actually replaced chemicals used in antifreeze to make antifreeze non toxic! It is also used in many other consumer products, including toothpaste. Propylene glycol is known to be harmless and is also a beneficial germicide which kills air-suspended pneumococci and streptococci bacteria, and influenza virus! This has been known since 1942. Medicine: Air Germicide - TIME. The FDA has resorted to scare tactics to protect their interests and their credibility should seriously be questioned! Our government also receives millions of dollars from tobacco taxes. Needless to say, our state and federal governments are as addicted to tobacco tax income as smokers are to nicotine! Electronic cigarettes are a very real threat to those who depend on profiting from tobacco and pharmaceutical products.
Senator Corbett, who drafted the bill in California, was able to move the bill through the legislative process in stealth mode by introducing the bill as a Green Vehicle Bill. Bill List The bill then morphed into a bill to make it a crime to sell electronic cigarette devices. The bill, SB 400, amends the Stop Tobacco Access to Kids Enforcement Act (STAKE Act). The amendment provides no new safety measures to protect children from tobacco products, as it is already illegal to sell nicotine products to minors in California, but serves as a smoke screen to keep electronic cigarettes out of California. The bill narrowly passed with 16 yes and 14 no votes in the Senate. Many senators thought the bill was intended to ban selling electronic cigarettes to minors and were surprised to learn it would also ban selling of electronic cigarettes to adults. Based on polls in the electronic cigarette community forums, the average electronic smoker is 41 years old. The majority being long term smokers who have not been able to quit smoking tobacco cigarettes until the availability of electronic cigarettes.
The bill now sits on Governor Schwarzenegger's desk. If he does nothing the bill will go into effect in January 2010; However, Governor Schwarzenegger has the power to veto the bill before October 11, 2009. The Governor also smokes cigars, and yes there are also electronic cigars and pipes available.
Right now we need a blitz of e-mails to California Governor Schwarzenegger to save lives and stop California from banning the sale of e-cigarettes! Yes, we will still be able to buy them on the internet from other states, but it will make access to e-cigarettes very difficult for many people here in California. Passage of the bill will also provide a negative perception of e-cigarettes. A perception that is needed by the FDA and governments to continue passing legislation against e-cigarettes. Please e-mail Governor Schwarzenegger this week. We only have a week left for him to veto the bill that will ban electronic cigarettes. Please help even if you are not a resident of California. Remember As goes California So Goes the Nation.
Please send one of the following messages in an e-mail to Governor Schwarzenegger this week. Here is the link to e-mail him: Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger - Interact
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Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,
Electronic cigarettes are beneficial to smokers and non smokers. Help me to save my life. Support Electronic Cigarettes and Veto SB 400!
Respectfully Submitted
Your Name
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,
Electronic cigarettes are are beneficial to smokers and non smokers."Please help save the lives of my family and friends". Support Electronic Cigarettes and Veto SB 400!
Respectfully Submitted
Your Name
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Governor Schwarzenegger
Electronic cigarettes are beneficial to smokers and non smokers. "Please help reduce second hand smoke". Support Electronic Cigarettes and Veto SB 400!
Respectfully Submitted
Your Name
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Please help by forwarding this message to others. Thank you.
Here are some links if you are not familiar with, or would like to know more about electronic cigarettes:
YouTube - Fox News on E-Cigarettes
FDA smoke screen on e-cigarettes - Washington Times
Press Release - E-Cigarettes Receive Support From Consumers, Prominent Doctors Amid Controversy
Murray Laugesen: E Cigarette Interview
JAMA -- Abstract: Nicotine Replacement in Smoking Cessation: Absorption of Nicotine Vapor From Smoke-Free Cigarettes, June 19, 1987, Russell et al. 257 (23): 3262
Medicine: Air Germicide - TIME
Yes! I know there are many on this forum who do not think emails are a viable tool to get our message across, and think only hand written letters count. WAKE UP! This is the electronic age! They do pay attention to e-mails, and Twitter!
Would we still be able to purchase equipment, or for that matter, eliquid, from online stores outside of California?
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