1st Day Using Nextel XC-116 (1/32") Ceramic Rope

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Been vaping this puppy about 14 hours now and on a verge of making a decision. First off lemme list the hardware:
1. Nextel XC-116 (1/32") Ceramic Wick purchased from Big Tex Vapor
2. Reo Grand from REOSMODS
3. Reomizer 2 from REOSMODS
4. 0.7mm x 0.1mm Kanthal D ribbon wire from ebay (Zivipf Versandhandel)
5. 0.6mm x 0.1mm Kanthal D ribbon wire from ebay " "
6. Noalox from Amazon

To be fair I washed the RM2 and filed/cleaned the firing pin of my Grand and applied Noalox. The 1/32" Nextel so reminds me of parachute cord in size, just about perfect for my needs as you shall see. I looked for the hollow core of the ceramic wick and thought, no way I'm gonna find something that'll fit inside. To my surprise it expands quite well, like it was made for a wire to run through it (it is). Tried 32 gage, then 30, then 0.5mm ribbon wire, then 0.6mm and the hole kept on getting bigger and bigger. Stopped there not needing anything larger. Note: Be careful with round wire it'll pierce the inner layers of the ceramic and stab ya if you're not careful. Able to run 2" of the 0.6mm ribbon wire inside the wick with no trouble at all. For my purposes I was able to use the wire inside the wick to act as a mold. All wire were torched prior to assembly.

I used 0.7mm ribbon wire to wrap around one end of the wick (no mold was necessary as the wire inside the wick was stiff enough to maintain a straight run), counted 9 wide wraps of wire. Resistance after mounting coming in at 1.1 ohm. Long leg of wick/wire exits coil on the side that the feed hole is on. I ran this leg of the wick/wire on the outside of the post, following the rim around to the outside of the opposite post, going under the coil and ending shortly thereafter. The leg is barely touching the coil as it goes under, no wire is sticking out from either end of this wick/wire (to prevent chance of a short). Sounds complicated but without doing a lot of trial and error it should take me less than 5 minutes to build a new one. Not a snap, but believe longevity will outweigh any extra time spent in rebuilding.

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First impressions:

Squonked some juice after doing a dry burn and an additional squonk a couple minutes later to saturate coil and leg. Cotton is still king, as far as absorption is concerned. Ceramic rope is about par with silica.

First hit, flavor was good but not as good as ss mesh. Vapor production was dismal with little throat hit. Seemed like the coil was choking for more juice. Subsequent hits without doing a squonk got worse until finally nothing, must've been a dry burn. Surprisingly, there weren't any bad harsh hits, just a gradual diminishing of vapor and flavor. I did not quit at this point, plodded on and on and on. Then began noticing a slight increase in vapor production possibly a 1/2 hour later. Flavor remained about the same. The vapor production continued to increase, as time went by. Flavor improved to excellent from good, I'd say 95% as flavorful as ss mesh. End of day 1, vapor production is decent. Lets see how it goes after more time :)
 
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i have the same and it's been 2 days of Trunker bashing it to death - wick is still clean looking and performing fine. I'll run it until it dies i think.

I like Clydes 3mm silica too - i have that in my other grand. The ceramic i could not get thru a micrcoil though - it's hollow inside and won't fit.

The flavour is fine and that's all i care about - apart from that i can kill cotton dead in a day. I'll perhaps become a cloudhound when i start making dual coils and drilling my RM2's to 1/4 wide air holes!

If it dry burns and is as easy to clean as they say, then it might be worth the $, since a wick for the RM2 used maybe 1" of it at most. 2' was $14.

I had to pay sales tax on it too - cos i live in Texas! :p

i wrapped a 32g kanthal 4 wraps to hit 1.75 Ohms.

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i wish sometimes that i made really crap coils like some of my first attempts that burned out after a day or two - i blame Super-X for his tutorials. Then i'd have a chance of using some of the wick i had, because it was the greatest thing ever!

However that has never distracted me and next week - or weekend more likely, i'll have a bash with porous ceramic in an RM2. I'd vape an old sock if i thought it'd do the job, but Scott's saving me the trouble!

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Day 2 impressions:

Gonna have to upgrade flavor to the same as ss mesh, which to me is most important. What ceramics and ss mesh does, actually can be described as what it doesn't do. They both DO NOT BURN AND MAKE SMOKE, which will compromise the quality of your flavor. Strongly suspect that once a wick material is overheated to a point beyond their capabilities replacement becomes necessary. SS mesh and ceramic aren't without their own setbacks. Problem is, their ability to hold copious amounts of juice in between squonks for a extended vaping session. Cotton, is really a super material to quickly absorb and hold lots of juice. Problem is, with each subsequent dry hit vapor quality degrades and replacement becomes necessary.

Vapor production is about same as yesterday, you won't win any contests here. Beginning to understand my error in this build, the Nextel rope is just basically a sleeve and being what it is cannot hold much juice. This along with its relatively slow absorption rate puts limitations on vapor production and vapes per squonk. Even with my long tail, I'm getting only 6-7 moderate hits per squonk as it is now. For most, this may be fine but I wanted more. Dilemma here is that vapor production is tied with capacity of juice. So the more vapor I produce, the less hits per squonk will be the result. The only viable solution I can see is to increase the diameter of the coil where the wick is rather constraint and/or increase wick capacity to hold more juice. Got several options here and will post as they are tested. :)
 

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Day 2 impressions:

Gonna have to upgrade flavor to the same as ss mesh, which to me is most important. What ceramics and ss mesh does, actually can be described as what it doesn't do. They both DO NOT BURN AND MAKE SMOKE, which will compromise the quality of your flavor. Strongly suspect that once a wick material is overheated to a point beyond their capabilities replacement becomes necessary. SS mesh and ceramic aren't without their own setbacks. Problem is, their ability to hold copious amounts of juice in between squonks for a extended vaping session. Cotton, is really a super material to quickly absorb and hold lots of juice. Problem is, with each subsequent dry hit vapor quality degrades and replacement becomes necessary.

Vapor production is about same as yesterday, you won't win any contests here. Beginning to understand my error in this build, the Nextel rope is just basically a sleeve and being what it is cannot hold much juice. This along with its relatively slow absorption rate puts limitations on vapor production and vapes per squonk. Even with my long tail, I'm getting only 6-7 moderate hits per squonk as it is now. For most, this may be fine but I wanted more. Dilemma here is that vapor production is tied with capacity of juice. So the more vapor I produce, the less hits per squonk will be the result. The only viable solution I can see is to increase the diameter of the coil where the wick is rather constraint and/or increase wick capacity to hold more juice. Got several options here and will post as they are tested. :)

Norman, great feedback. just a thought on vapor production - I had the same issue on my chalice. I was puzzled why there was so little vapor compared to my RM2 with nextel. Turned out that the front on the wick was right up close to the air hole. I pulled it back some and now it is much better. Still not as good as the rm2 was -maybe cause the chalice has a markedly smaller chamber. You might try running a shorter wick (just longer than the coil) and see it that improves the vape?

Rock on big daddy :)
 

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Norman, great feedback. just a thought on vapor production - I had the same issue on my chalice. I was puzzled why there was so little vapor compared to my RM2 with nextel. Turned out that the front on the wick was right up close to the air hole. I pulled it back some and now it is much better. Still not as good as the rm2 was -maybe cause the chalice has a markedly smaller chamber. You might try running a shorter wick (just longer than the coil) and see it that improves the vape?

Rock on big daddy :)

Thanks Russ, just made a new coil (wire and wick) and vapor production has turned for the better by at least 35%. Flavor a bit off, like when I started using the Nextel, however this was anticipated. I would like to hold off any more comment until using this setup for a while to get a better perspective :)
 

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I get plenty of vape from it - about the same as cotton. i have a long tail on it too, tucked under the coil, but i'll make one for HRH (my guinea pig) with a very short one later.

I'm like everyone else chasing the Holy Grail - i have a bulletproof mod and now i want to make a coil/wick once a month if i can that will last that long and produce great flavour during that time. This is all on my black/black grand - i.e. the one i take everywhere and abuse!

I use 50/50 pg vg for no other reason than i am lazy!

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I get plenty of vape from it - about the same as cotton. i have a long tail on it too, tucked under the coil, but i'll make one for HRH (my guinea pig) with a very short one later.

I'm like everyone else chasing the Holy Grail - i have a bulletproof mod and now i want to make a coil/wick once a month if i can that will last that long and produce great flavour during that time. This is all on my black/black grand - i.e. the one i take everywhere and abuse!

I use 50/50 pg vg for no other reason than i am lazy!

T

I see that you and I are on the same page Jim, 'cept I don't have a guinea pig......DW doesn't vape/smoke :laugh:. I even contemplated running a tail down the squonk hole and fed directly into the juice bottle. Hows that for a lazy freak? :laugh:. A squonkless REO :toast:
 

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Sounds like a tank! I think it's time to go hi tech and have a shoulder mounted Reo that i can control from my Google glass. I realise that i might get strange looks from passers by but i'll tell them it's a computer parrot. Saying 'squonk' and 'fire' at inappropriate times will make airports fascinating.

But then - i think people that wear bluetooth phone earpieces are weirder than me anyway.

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To get back on the case - it's better today than yesterday. my rm2 is red hot at times - but that's no different from anything i use. I haven't pulled it apart every 20 mins to look at it cos i think of Schroedinger's cat and it's working really well right now (plus i am idle).

If you vape the hell out of what you use then this may be the gear you need - 8 batteries and same rm2 - not bad!

the squonk is easy enough, so no issues there - i have only flooded it once when i dripped in it to try something else. so owner error. I made this on Thurs and have used nothing else since - cos HRH STOLE - STOLE i tell you my spare rm2.

Clouds of vape? no - nothing of the sort, but a very flavourful vape you can tolerate all day with no bitterness and that - how do i describe this? 'ugh eww ugh' (HRH - that was Dutch btw) if you burn a cotton ball wick.

Can you see the vape - sure,but then i have been told i vape like a dragon.

It's expensive. You need to make coils just so on it because the inner is hollow - i put a pin thru the one i wrapped to get a coil on it. Wrapping anything that's not stiff is like herding cats!

Since it still works i'll keep on with it.
I am supposed to put something here like YMMV but if you need an inch - i'm your man!

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To get back on the case - it's better today than yesterday. my rm2 is red hot at times - but that's no different from anything i use. I haven't pulled it apart every 20 mins to look at it cos i think of Schroedinger's cat and it's working really well right now (plus i am idle).

If you vape the hell out of what you use then this may be the gear you need - 8 batteries and same rm2 - not bad!

the squonk is easy enough, so no issues there - i have only flooded it once when i dripped in it to try something else. so owner error. I made this on Thurs and have used nothing else since - cos HRH STOLE - STOLE i tell you my spare rm2.

Clouds of vape? no - nothing of the sort, but a very flavourful vape you can tolerate all day with no bitterness and that - how do i describe this? 'ugh eww ugh' (HRH - that was Dutch btw) if you burn a cotton ball wick.

Can you see the vape - sure,but then i have been told i vape like a dragon.

It's expensive. You need to make coils just so on it because the inner is hollow - i put a pin thru the one i wrapped to get a coil on it. Wrapping anything that's not stiff is like herding cats!

Since it still works i'll keep on with it.
I am supposed to put something here like YMMV but if you need an inch - i'm your man!

T

.....I hope nobody takes this out of context. Karen??? Kay???? Where are you ladies???? :)
 

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Day #3

I wanted the Nextel to really work so decided on a new build. Started this build with a totally different approach to address issues I had with my prior build.....mainly vapor production. The following are steps which I took which dramatically improved its performance:

If you remember in my first build, I wrapped my coil around the Nextel rope with a 0.6mm ribbon inside the hollow core without using a mold. This produced a tight wrap drastically choking off the juice from being absorbed into the coil area of the wick, little juice....little vapor is how it went. With my new build after inserting the ribbon wire into the Nextel hollow core I was also able to run the leg of a large paper clip inside as well. Used the wire to effectively spread apart the Nextel rope to accommodate the tool. NOTE: If you have not done so already a lighted magnifier makes working with small objects so much easier, well worth the investment. The fit was tight but still manageable. Because of the larger diameter I was still able to make a decent coil of 7 wraps using the 0.7mm ribbon wire to get a reading of 0.9ohms, measured after mounting (may use 8 or 9 wraps next time). The Nextel rope is a braid design so acts like one of those chinese finger pull toys, where the harder you pull the tighter it gets. My paperclip leg wouldn't come out until I was able to relax the braid :facepalm:

Everything else in my build was done in the same manner as the prior one, albeit the exit of the leg from the coil was now on the side away from the feed hole. I also raised the coil near the feed hole level with the post screw, with the rest of the coil slanting down towards the Rm2's floor. Theres a large gap above the feed hole now (thanks Russ).

Saturated coil and leg with juice before taking hit, letting sit first for a couple of minutes. A remarkable improvement in vapor production and as time passes it got better yet. After 7-8 hrs of use I would guestimate 50-65% increase of consistent vapor. Flavor from a slow start is now pure and plentiful. I cannot imagine an improvement coming from longer use, I find myself in unbeknownst territory to me. Vapes per squonk is simply amazing....did a test of 22 and stopped. Folks the coil was still sizzling on the 22nd vape. I use about a 3 second moderate pull when I vape.

This is no longer a puppy tis a BIG BLACK DOG!! Hopefully lifetime is good or it'll negate my glowing findings because its not cheap. Used approximately 2" of Nextel to make the wick while costing $15 plus shipping for 24".....you do the math, think I'm suffering from too much nic at the moment.
 

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same one - red hot when i thump it - keeps working. promising.

started life at 1.75 and now hit the heady heights of 1.8. Not washed or anything (the wick - not me). As you say Nutz - the point of it all is the longevity of the wick otherwise it's no better than ss mesh, but i reckon it is so far.

It has a tough weekend ahead of it and so does HRH for that matter!

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Day #3

I wanted the Nextel to really work so decided on a new build. Started this build with a totally different approach to address issues I had with my prior build.....mainly vapor production. The following are steps which I took which dramatically improved its performance:

If you remember in my first build, I wrapped my coil around the Nextel rope with a 0.6mm ribbon inside the hollow core without using a mold. This produced a tight wrap drastically choking off the juice from being absorbed into the coil area of the wick, little juice....little vapor is how it went. With my new build after inserting the ribbon wire into the Nextel hollow core I was also able to run the leg of a large paper clip inside as well. Used the wire to effectively spread apart the Nextel rope to accommodate the tool. NOTE: If you have not done so already a lighted magnifier makes working with small objects so much easier, well worth the investment. The fit was tight but still manageable. Because of the larger diameter I was still able to make a decent coil of 7 wraps using the 0.7mm ribbon wire to get a reading of 0.9ohms, measured after mounting (may use 8 or 9 wraps next time). The Nextel rope is a braid design so acts like one of those chinese finger pull toys, where the harder you pull the tighter it gets. My paperclip leg wouldn't come out until I was able to relax the braid :facepalm:

Everything else in my build was done in the same manner as the prior one, albeit the exit of the leg from the coil was now on the side away from the feed hole. I also raised the coil near the feed hole level with the post screw, with the rest of the coil slanting down towards the Rm2's floor. Theres a large gap above the feed hole now (thanks Russ).

Saturated coil and leg with juice before taking hit, letting sit first for a couple of minutes. A remarkable improvement in vapor production and as time passes it got better yet. After 7-8 hrs of use I would guestimate 50-65% increase of consistent vapor. Flavor from a slow start is now pure and plentiful. I cannot imagine an improvement coming from longer use, I find myself in unbeknownst territory to me. Vapes per squonk is simply amazing....did a test of 22 and stopped. Folks the coil was still sizzling on the 22nd vape. I use about a 3 second moderate pull when I vape.

This is no longer a puppy tis a BIG BLACK DOG!! Hopefully lifetime is good or it'll negate my glowing findings because its not cheap. Used approximately 2" of Nextel to make the wick while costing $15 plus shipping for 24".....you do the math, think I'm suffering from too much nic at the moment.

Sorry, man, but I totally missed the part about why you're stuffing your wick with wire? Having read some of your results, I suspect that that hollow in the rope does alot for holding and delivering juice.
 

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Sorry, man, but I totally missed the part about why you're stuffing your wick with wire? Having read some of your results, I suspect that that hollow in the rope does a lot for holding and delivering juice.

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Although not my current setup, you can see how the wire inside the hollow core of the Nextel helps maintain its run around the perimeter of the RM2's ceramic floor. More of an aid to keep the Nextel inside the RM2 than anything else. It is a tight squeeze at the post area to be sure and a definite concern where the juice may be choked off from going to the coil but fortunately its working well so far. The ribbon is 0.6 x 0.1mm, not sure how small of a gage of round wire you'd need to do the same. Ribbon wire also may be better suited to hold its shape since its stiffer than round. Just be sure that the ends of this wire is well insulated to prevent shorts (my Nextel a little longer than the wire).

The ribbon wire inside the hollow may also be allowing this "tunnel" to open up better, increasing the Nextel juice holding capacity. During my use, a process which may take a few hours to fully develop but well worth the wait. I'll allow my next build to saturate in juice overnight before use.

I believe my model can be improved upon by increasing the coil's wire wrap diameter which will allow the Nextel to expand even more inside the coil (looks to be a little tight at the moment). You'd be hard pressed to remove the old wick and replace with a new one if needed.
 
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I made this on Thursday when i got home from work and have used it ever since - it works like a charm. I think the difference is i tried to get it thru a microcoil but no luck, so i put a pin thru it and wrapped a coil on it. I think that may make the coil the right size so that it expands just right to fit it.

Today i decided to rinse it out under water since i was cleaning my reo bottle out at the same time after running 7 thru it. The wick was a golden honey colour is all and went white again after a quick rinse, apart from where my coil sits. Dry burned the coil a bit, to get some of the crap off it (DRY4 @ 18mg, 50/50 vg/pg) and off we go again!

My wick is cut off to the edge of the RM2 cup on the right and has a tail (i just stuffed it past the post - who cares?) that runs round the post and round the back a bit.

So far so good.

T
 
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