22gauge kanthal
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Be carefull man, you don't want that huge cloud to take your head off. I'm trying to learn about building coils, but not trying to do any impressions of Wile E Coyote. It has me down right scared !
I haven't personally used 22ga wire yet, what's your current build and how many ohms are you putting out?
22 ga is too large to get good clouds efficiently. Too much thermal mass, very poor ratio of volume to surface area. Is that the only wire you have?
22 gauge? Wow.
If you want "clouds" just get 28 gauge and build dual coils (twice the coil, twice the vapor). With 28 gauge you can easily go pretty low in ohms with a dual coil. I run a dual micro coil around 0.4 ohms for my daily vape and it kicks vapor like crazy.
But... the build of the coil is only a small part of creating clouds...
1. Air Flow
You need plenty of it. I run with dual air holes drilled out to 5/64 inch. Always position the air holes with the coils. You also want to make sure the coil is as close to the air hole as possible without touching the sides or bottom. You do not want the coil to have uneven air flow either, usually lining up coils with the air holes tend to lead to having a slightly longer positive lead. More air flow leads to a slightly cooler vape and more vapor production. Less air flow leads to a hotter vape with less vapor production.
2. Wick
You want the wick to be a good fit but not snug. You should be able to pull on the dry wick and it can easily come out. With the wick, there is a fine line between too much and too little. It may take some time but there is that sweet spot. Too little wick can cause hot spots and will just taste hot and probably burn your throat. Too much wick can cause burning as the wick will become restricted. Also, wicking is a big factor in flavor. More wicking material leads to less flavor.
3. Coil build
This is last and least important. If you fall short on the previous two... your type of coil build will not matter and you will most likely have a vape that falls short.
It's a game. You'll learn as you go. Watch some videos and read some more ECF threads. You definitely don't need 22 gauge.
Vape on!
If you want "clouds" just get 28 gauge and build dual coils (twice the coil, twice the vapor). With 28 gauge you can easily go pretty low in ohms with a dual coil. I run a dual micro coil around 0.4 ohms for my daily vape and it kicks vapor like crazy.
But... the build of the coil is only a small part of creating clouds...
1. Air Flow
You need plenty of it. I run with dual air holes drilled out to 5/64 inch. Always position the air holes with the coils. You also want to make sure the coil is as close to the air hole as possible without touching the sides or bottom. You do not want the coil to have uneven air flow either, usually lining up coils with the air holes tend to lead to having a slightly longer positive lead. More air flow leads to a slightly cooler vape and more vapor production. Less air flow leads to a hotter vape with less vapor production.
2. Wick
You want the wick to be a good fit but not snug. You should be able to pull on the dry wick and it can easily come out. With the wick, there is a fine line between too much and too little. It may take some time but there is that sweet spot. Too little wick can cause hot spots and will just taste hot and probably burn your throat. Too much wick can cause burning as the wick will become restricted. Also, wicking is a big factor in flavor. More wicking material leads to less flavor.
3. Coil build
This is last and least important. If you fall short on the previous two... your type of coil build will not matter and you will most likely have a vape that falls short.
It's a game. You'll learn as you go. Watch some videos and read some more ECF threads. You definitely don't need 22 gauge.
Vape on!
Just have someone develop a IMR 18650 12 volt battery. Then that toaster coil would heat up just fine 
First of all, what batteries do you have?
Second, do you have an ohm meter?
I personally use 24g kanthal 6 wrapas or nichrome 8wraps dual coil. Always ends up at low 0.2ohms. My daily setup.
I hope youre using a high amp discharge battery...
And with that said, I dont recommend doing a doil coil with 22g kanthal.
6 to 8 wrap single coil micro on a 7/64 diameter rod or drill bit should be perfect.
Second, do you have an ohm meter?
I personally use 24g kanthal 6 wrapas or nichrome 8wraps dual coil. Always ends up at low 0.2ohms. My daily setup.
I hope youre using a high amp discharge battery...
And with that said, I dont recommend doing a doil coil with 22g kanthal.
6 to 8 wrap single coil micro on a 7/64 diameter rod or drill bit should be perfect.
26ga can get you clouds, that's my main wire right now. 26ga dual coil with 5/6 wraps gives me about .33ohms. I'm going to try to a super nano coil today though
seriously...
Inexperience and a little bit of knowledge...smh...
Moving this to Coil Builds and out of New Members
Inexperience and a little bit of knowledge...smh...
Moving this to Coil Builds and out of New Members
Why such large gauges? Perhaps the 26 will work, but the best-performing coils are between 28 and 36 ga. Larger wire is lower resistance per foot, but this does NOT correlate to more vapor. I'm concerned that you're trying to "push the envelope" without understanding what the envelope is. And as others have asked Do you own an ohmmeter? (And what is it's baseline resistance?)
seriously...
Inexperience and a little bit of knowledge...smh...
Moving this to Coil Builds and out of New Members
Perhaps ECF needs a "Don't try this at home" forum?
komanji,
You should realize that your original post has all the elements that alarm people on this forum. "How many wraps?" is a question that makes everyone shudder. You didn't say what diameter you are using, whether you're winding microcoil or loose, what head you were putting this on, what your wick material is, what your coil resistance is, or what kind of mod you're using. NOBODY can offer you good advice without this kind of background information, and the fact that you don't seem to understand this is alarming.
You say you do have an ohm meter. Do you use it? If you do, I would think that the resistance of your coil would be something you know, and you would have said that long ago. And you would also have mentioned the baseline resistance of your ohmmeter, which is VITAL for sub-ohm builds.
If you are working with high-power builds, you really shouldn't have to ask here why you aren't getting the vape you think you should. You should be able to look at the coil/wick as you fire it, and recognize the various symptoms that lead to poor vapor production. This experience is best learned by building and trying lots of less-challenging coils; once you see how they work in practice, you will be able to diagnose problems in more aggressive builds. It would also be obvious why 22ga wire is not what you should be using.
But, to be honest, your original post is a lot like saying "I sprayed a whole can of ether into my carburetor, why won't my car start?"
I don't understand why people try to use ridiculously thick wire like 22 or even 24 gauge Kanthal. I tried some 26 gauge wire and even at extremely low resistances (under 0.5 ohms), it took too long to heat up and did not perform nearly as well as more "sane" builds. My best builds for clouds have been simple dual 1/16" microcoils using 28 gauge wire at ~0.6 ohms. It chucks vapor like crazy and gets up to temperature almost instantly. I usually go for higher resistance coils (0.8-1.0 ohm) since the cloud chuckers just use up juice way too fast for everyday use.
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