3 things about winning and losing

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I don't know how I missed this before, you are just too funny :laugh:
 

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There's a phrase I don't see every day. Are you a rocket scientist Frick?

No, but I sure wish I was. NASA/Glenn is nearby. Those people make a lot of money. :p

I use algebra all the time to figure discounts. Consider something: my competition has a sale. He's offering the same product I sell for $32.50 after 18% off. I need to know "18% off of what?", to know his starting point. Algebra. Piece of cake. (Although ratios also work well.)

I use it in some way just about every day.

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$39.64 ?

Can you sell Bloogs there?

No, but I sure wish I was. NASA/Glenn is nearby. Those people make a lot of money. :p

I use algebra all the time to figure discounts. Consider something: my competition has a sale. He's offering the same product I sell for $32.50 after 18% off. I need to know "18% off of what?", to know his starting point. Algebra. Piece of cake. (Although ratios also work well.)

I use it in some way just about every day.

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I'm actually glad to hear that. The rest of the developed world has progressed much faster in education than we have. Asian students are learning algebra when they're 7-8 years old, and are typically fluently bi-lingual (usually English) by their teens. European education out-paces our rates. Education is far too low a priority in this country, IMO.
Not the asian kids around here! Seriously, english is a required subject in Chinese schools, but you'd never guess it from how few people can actually speak or read it. OTOH, I don't suppose that's any different than in the US. How many of us took Spanish or French in high school, but can't speak a word of it today. ;)
 

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That could be because that rote learning and memorization does not necessarily produce smarter people. Knowing the information and being able to apply it are two different things. Kids will grow up to be more creative and innovative when they are allowed fee play and time to develop imagination. Some things just cant be mass produced

I agree about the lack of high standards. My boys do very well in school, partly because they are expected to.

But without that rote learning and memorization the kids don't learn the knowledge base that is necessary for critical thinking and understanding.
 

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But without that rote learning and memorization the kids don't learn the knowledge base that is necessary for critical thinking and understanding.

I would agree, but there needs to be more then that. For good problem solving skills you need to be able to apply that knowledge. I think critical thinking comes more from experience rather then text books, so a good healthy balance of both is needed.
 

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Not the asian kids around here! Seriously, english is a required subject in Chinese schools, but you'd never guess it from how few people can actually speak or read it. OTOH, I don't suppose that's any different than in the US. How many of us took Spanish or French in high school, but can't speak a word of it today. ;)

I took 4 years of French. I can say "blow out the candles" and "you are stupid"
 

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Not the asian kids around here! Seriously, english is a required subject in Chinese schools, but you'd never guess it from how few people can actually speak or read it. OTOH, I don't suppose that's any different than in the US. How many of us took Spanish or French in high school, but can't speak a word of it today. ;)

I'm surprised to hear that. A guy I used to work for took a vacation to China and was surprised how many people spoke English, especially younger people. But that was years ago.

I know the children in Japan learn English quite early.
 

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I'm surprised to hear that. A guy I used to work for took a vacation to China and was surprised how many people spoke English, especially younger people. But that was years ago.

I know the children in Japan learn English quite early.

Just about everyone I've met here who speaks English learned it as an adult, usually as part of a business course. They all say they took classes in primary school, but didn't really learn anything. And none of the school age kids living in my apartment complex can say more than "Hello, how are you?" (Which they always take great delight in asking me, over and over, one after another, EVERY time they see me!) And this is a luxury complex, these kids are going to expensive private schools, not the public schools.
 

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I speak Spanish with a cartoonish Chinese accent, not intentionally, just how it comes out.
crbrown, I hear ya now, totally different from the way I read entitlement. I heard a parent complain that less than half the students in a class had A's so clearly the teacher wasn't doing his job. Really? Nowhere near 1/2 the adults I see seem to have an A caliber brain!
 

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I speak Spanish with a cartoonish Chinese accent, not intentionally, just how it comes out.
crbrown, I hear ya now, totally different from the way I read entitlement. I heard a parent complain that less than half the students in a class had A's so clearly the teacher wasn't doing his job. Really? Nowhere near 1/2 the adults I see seem to have an A caliber brain!

As a parent I can understand where that "my kid can do no wrong" attitude comes from, but really we do the child no favors by that.
I think it's a bit sad that at parent conferences my husband and I get thanked by the teachers for both of us showing up and taking an active role. I see their education as more our job then anybody else.

ps: I totally get what you were talking about with the entitlement attitude and would agree that there is way to much that supports and encourages that kind of thinking.
 
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