30 watts or higher?

[Bklynzfinest]

I'm finally jumping into sub-ohm after trying a friends 30w istick/atlantis setup and being blown away in terms of flavor and clouds. Loved it at around 27-28 watts. I've been pretty content with my v2.5 provari for over a year now but since trying sub ohm I definitely think it's time for an upgrade ! So I was going to get the 30w istick but the 50 watt is dropping any day now, should I just wait for this? I don't plan on going beneath the stock kanger/aspire .5ohm coils (not building anything ) so I'm just wondering if there would be any benefit with the 50w (other than battery life). I see a lot of hype for it, but is this generally for people going lower than .5?

 

[BigCatDaddy]

I run my Atlantis at 35w and that's my sweet spot. Supposedly, they are going to make a 0.3 Ω coil for the Atlantis, more wattage needed then.....yummy!!! You might also look into the Aspire sub-ohm battery, pretty sweet and pairs nicely with the Atlantis!!

 

[RamShot Rowdy]

I run my Atlantis at 30 watts, but it does alright even up to like 35 watts. So, if you dont mind the slightly larger size of the 50 watt, it will give you more flexibility and room to grow in the future.

 

[wheelie]

I look at it like this. When you drive your car you don't jump in it and floor the gas petal every time you drive it. You also don't drive it 10 miles an hour every time. Either way will be hard on it. Find a happy medium/or little on the higher side and you are not running it on extreme. This is my opinion and mine only. CHEERS!

 

[invisiblehand13]

If you find yourself being satisfied with the .5 ohm coils right now...imagine what you will find satisfying another few months down the road...not saying that sub ohming is the way to go (although it is for me lol but alot of people here are against it) but think of it like a stereo system...do you buy a 100w stereo to crank to 100w all the time? No you buy the 150w to listen to it at a comfortable 100w...just IMO

 

[State O' Flux]

I'm finally jumping into sub-ohm after trying a friends 30w istick/atlantis setup and being blown away in terms of flavor and clouds. Loved it at around 27-28 watts. I've been pretty content with my v2.5 provari for over a year now but since trying sub ohm I definitely think it's time for an upgrade ! So I was going to get the 30w istick but the 50 watt is dropping any day now, should I just wait for this? I don't plan on going beneath the stock kanger/aspire .5ohm coils (not building anything ) so I'm just wondering if there would be any benefit with the 50w (other than battery life). I see a lot of hype for it, but is this generally for people going lower than .5?

If you were a rebuilder, using thicker gauge wire, you could actually "use" wattages, up to and including - 400w. It's all a matter of obtaining desirable heat flux values with a balance of wire gauge, parallel coil count, resistance and wattage.

Saying that, with pre-made coil heads, if you know what the wire gauge, coil count (probably two - tops) and net resistance are, you can quickly calculate what your maximum desirable wattage is... based on a heat flux (coil radiant heat value, expressed in milliwatts per millimeter, squared) that you find satisfying.

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[Frenchfry1942]

I would above 30w. I also don't think the latest and greatest is needed. I have an IPV2, works fine.

 

[Oberon75]

If you find yourself being satisfied with the .5 ohm coils right now...imagine what you will find satisfying another few months down the road...not saying that sub ohming is the way to go (although it is for me lol but alot of people here are against it) but think of it like a stereo system...do you buy a 100w stereo to crank to 100w all the time? No you buy the 150w to listen to it at a comfortable 100w...just IMO

The people who are against it are generally the people who have never tried it or understand it. There seems to be a misconception that sub-ohms are strictly for cloud chasing which couldn't be any further from the truth.

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[ReigntheGamer]

The people who are against it are generally the people who have never tried it or understand it. There seems to be a misconception that sub-ohms are strictly for cloud chasing which couldn't be any further from the truth.

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OT: But this. ^^ I sub-ohm but that's because I run a mech Reo and to get the watts I need for my sweet spot build I have to. If not the vape is just not that great IMHO.

 

[tj99959]

The people who are against it are generally the people who have never tried it or understand it. There seems to be a misconception that sub-ohms are strictly for cloud chasing which couldn't be any further from the truth.

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Ah-er, I doubt that there is a way to vape around that I haven't tried, so you tell me why everything on my desk is set up to vape at only 8 watts!

Let me ask you, how many ml of juice do you go through in a day? I chain vape and go through 3.5ml/day on average.
How many batteries do you charge/day? I use AW IMR 18490 batteries and charge 1.5 batteries/day on average.

Sub ohm/high wattage vaping is the least efficient way to vape that there is, and vendors love you! ... just bring money!

 

[invisiblehand13]

Ah-er, I doubt that there is a way to vape around that I haven't tried, so you tell me why everything on my desk is set up to vape at only 8 watts!

Let me ask you, how many ml of juice do you go through in a day? I chain vape and go through 3.5ml/day on average.
How many batteries do you charge/day? I use AW IMR 18490 batteries and charge 1.5 batteries/day on average.

Sub ohm/high wattage vaping is the least efficient way to vape that there is, and vendors love you! ... just bring money!

Hehehe...I go through about 20ml a day unless I am chain vaping...then...well...we just won't put that number up on the internet

 

[ReigntheGamer]

I use about 6-9mls of juice a day and 1.5 AW IMR 18650 2200mAh batteries a day. I fill the Reo in the morning with a fresh bottle and pop in a fresh battery, then after dinner I refill the tank and pop in a fresh battery. And I don't vape the whole tank nor drain the battery before I go to sleep unless I am up very late which is not often. That is vaping dual micro coils about .6 ohms and 29ish watts.

 

[BrushyHillGuide]

I'd recommend looking at something with higher wattage. It's like a car, you don't usually use all the speed or power it's capable of but it's comforting to know that it's there and available to you, if your needs change. The biggest, and most costly, mistake I see vapers making (and have made myself) is to shop based on their CURRENT needs; with no consideration given to the future. Just as a few months ago you felt you had ZERO need for a 30w device, things may (and likely will) change in the future. Rather than buying just for the 'now,' why not buy something with some scalability? Get a 75w-100w+ device and you'll be set if Aspire releases .3 ohm coils or you decide to sub ohm yourself.

I've got a lot of regulated mods, including some very expensive ones, and my workhorse (a.k.a. "daily driver") is my Sigelei 100w. I rarely drive it past 35w but when I feel like taking my Hobo for a drive at .2 ohms, I'll climb up near 100w. Lol. It's just nice to know you have the freedom to buikd pretty much whatever your heart desires. Besides, the battery life that a dual 18650 box provides is simply phenomenal.

Good luck choosing a box! Hope this helps


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[Bklynzfinest]

Thanks everyone for the advice! I was leaning towards the 30w for the form factor, but with a 50w I'd have room to grow... & yeah If I got the 30w it would be pushed to its max daily. So will 30 watts on the 50w istick be an identical vape to 30 watts on the 30w istick? I don't want to go much warmer than where I was at on my friends. At 30w it was already getting pretty nasty (burnt) but maybe that was bc we were chain vaping it. And the vape gets even *better* on .3-.4 ?? Couldn't even imagine it. I'm SO excited for this upgrade!

 

[Oberon75]

Ah-er, I doubt that there is a way to vape around that I haven't tried, so you tell me why everything on my desk is set up to vape at only 8 watts!

Let me ask you, how many ml of juice do you go through in a day? I chain vape and go through 3.5ml/day on average.
How many batteries do you charge/day? I use AW IMR 18490 batteries and charge 1.5 batteries/day on average.

Sub ohm/high wattage vaping is the least efficient way to vape that there is, and vendors love you! ... just bring money!

I've went from 24mg @ 11 watts down to 6mg, 9mg and 12mg @ 22 to 30 watts depending on my mood. I used to fill my regular Nautilus, two to three times a day. On my Atlantis, I go through between 2mg and 6mg a day depending on my mood and nic strength. A couple nice and long lung hits and I have enough nic that I don't need to chain vape anymore. And a single battery lasts me all day. I pulled my iPV off the charger 6 hours ago and the battery still reads full.

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[TorontoOntario]

This though crossed my mind the other night. At 4400mah I cant see the battery in the I Stick 50w being a good IMR high drain battery with a high amp discharge rating but I could be wrong. What battery is in these devices because personally at 50 w on a .5 ohm coil I would like a VTC4 in my device no exceptions. This is why I canceled my pre order and I hope I was right. Anyways I would personally go for a sig 100w plus. I know you aren't going to be building so you wont need the wattage but you might as well get it due to the price and quality. Besides, the Atlantis was great when there was nothing to compare it to however now that I have 2 Delta 2s I say they out perform the Atlantis in every way. Imagine an Atlantis with better flavor then a Subtank using organic cotton coils with liquid control to the coils that can easily handel double the power and that's the Delta 2. Also double capacity. I love the Delta 2 lol.

 

[tj99959]

This though crossed my mind the other night. At 4400mah I cant see the battery in the I Stick 50w being a good IMR high drain battery with a high amp discharge rating but I could be wrong. What battery is in these devices because personally at 50 w on a .5 ohm coil I would like a VTC4 in my device no exceptions. This is why I canceled my pre order and I hope I was right. Anyways I would personally go for a sig 100w plus. I know you aren't going to be building so you wont need the wattage but you might as well get it due to the price and quality. Besides, the Atlantis was great when there was nothing to compare it to however now that I have 2 Delta 2s I say they out perform the Atlantis in every way. Imagine an Atlantis with better flavor then a Subtank using organic cotton coils with liquid control to the coils that can easily handel double the power and that's the Delta 2. Also double capacity. I love the Delta 2 lol.

None of the devices with permanently wired cells have IMR batteries, they all use LIPO cells. That's why I don't use them.

AND, I have visions of needing a wheelbarrow to carry a 4400mAh battery!

 

[TorontoOntario]

Ahh, I was right. See I know I am pretty smart when it comes to vapeing but I don't claim to know everything. Glad I canceled my pre order for the 50w.Dont people care that these devices use Li Po and that's not smart?

 

[invisiblehand13]

None of the devices with permanently wired cells have IMR batteries, they all use LIPO cells. That's why I don't use them.

AND, I have visions of needing a wheelbarrow to carry a 4400mAh battery!

That is not true, the eleaf istick are an 18650 IMR battery soldered on both ends, haven't you ever seen one taken apart, I think phil did one with it taken apart for everyone to see but it is NOT a li po battery and there are those that would argue that li po's are better, I am no expert in them so I dunno and the original vapor flask was also a set of 18650 batts soldered into place until the version 2 and 2.1 made them removable instead of permanently contained

 

[invisiblehand13]

Ahh, I was right. See I know I am pretty smart when it comes to vapeing but I don't claim to know everything. Glad I canceled my pre order for the 50w.Dont people care that these devices use Li Po and that's not smart?

The istick 50w has 2 18650 batts soldered into place that is why there is a rounded side on these mods, that is where the 18650 batt or batt's are, I am trying to google some stuff to show here now, give me a few minutes