5 year vaper having side effects now

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Yea try eliminating one by one, thats what a helpful guy have advice me. Been vaping for 2 years plus and have breathing difficulty which cant seems to get air into my lung and cause my side chest to hurt everytime i try to take in deep breath.
Its get so frustrating and making me so depressed. Its feel i might suddenly breathing and die.
After getting some good advice from the community here, i started to eliminate things one by one, i started using 50PG 50VG as for now to test and i started to feel better day by day but still have slight difficulty in breathing.
Now im trying 50/50 blend for 1 week to see if i can breathe normal before changing 100VG.
If things dun get to normal, i'll try unflavored.
Try everything, from silica wick to cotton wick, from 100PG to 100VG and to unflavor juice
Hope u find the problem fast as it is really pain in the ... to experiment but it is so worth it than smoking imo.
 

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Please be aware that some vendors sell juice labeled 100% VG but still use PG based flavorings. For those of us that are highly sensitive to PG even 1% can cause problems. If you suspect a PG problem make sure to ask the vendor if they use PG free flavoring before you order. I'd hate to see someone have to give up vaping after they tried "100% VG" juice and it turned out there was still PG in it.
 

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Update. I stopped Seroquel. Stopped vaping for about a week after. I Went to 100% VG no nic, then VG with nic, then back to PG/VG with nic. So far no major issues. I do notice less (irritation with 100% vg, so I do probably have a slight issue with PG. I went to the Dr. had blood test done, everything is good. I had some X-rays done to and I have a a shoulder issue and a bad disc in my neck combined with TMD (TMJ) the jaw pain did decrease after stopping Seroquel, so did a lot of other issues going on. So I am pretty sure it was that medication. I no longer feel like someones choking me. I still have a lil bit of a scalloped tongue but that could be from the TMD issues and also pain in my jaw. So vaping is probably not helping that by the motion of just simply vaping. But I am going to go to an allergist and get a definitive answer on what i am allergic to. It seems like im allergic to things if consume something on constant basis. As for the Seroquel, yeah it made me feel like a nic overdose, but i only vape 6-12mg so I don't know it doesn't mix well with vaping is all I can say. Withdrawal from it was pretty bad. I felt nauseated and so tired, headaches, shakes, dizziness, foggy headed just nasty stuff. Still having some issues but its getting better everyday though. But I have decided to just go to 0mg, I don't need the nicotine. Its more of nervous habit for me to be doing something. So in the future I hope I am not allergic to the next medication I will have to be on. I am Bipolar so I have to take something at some point. I should be ok until this all gets out of my system. Doc said it could take up to 3 months. I guess you should use the same caution as you would alcohol if you are going to vape and take medications. It seems in some people like me, it can be a problem. It's got me actually wondering how the PG/VG breaks down in your body, and if that can be a cause of a concern when medications are involved. It would be interesting to know if it one can affect the other.
 
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Yeah, I did a bit of research, and didn't find any interaction effects. Who knows? The C-Span program made the point that we are exploring a new realm.

I switched from Seroquel and went to 0mg at the same time, so it fogged (LOL) the issue for me.

Ah, well.....who knows then, but I am NEVER getting back on that meds though. I gained 20lbs in 2 months on it! Eating healthy. It helped for about 2 weeks, and then everything went to poop.
 

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I am 4 months away from completing my psychiatric nurse practitioner program...so take the following with some level of credibility :)

Antipsychotic medications like Seroquel, Risperdal, Zyprexa etc all work on the same CYP 450 pathway in the liver that nicotine does. Meaning....when a patient smokes and takes these medications, we actually have to give them a higher dose to compensate for the metabolic differences. This adds a treatment difficulty component for keeping Schizophrenia and Bipolar disorder asymptomatic and in remission.

When a patient cuts back on their nicotine use or stops using nicotine all together, we need to decrease their antipsychotic dose as it is too strong and too high for them. Likewise, if a patient starts using nicotine or tobacco we have to increase their dose to prevent break through symptoms.

Your vaping problems could be related to your Seroquel dosage, not necessarily the drug itself. Or it could be the drug. It is hard to tell without knowing your particular situation. But I would advocate for working with a mental health specialist (either a psychiatrist or a psych nurse practitioner) as they are really good at prescribing and titrating medications based on the metabolism of the medications. This is a danger when seeing primary care for psychiatric problems as they do not always have the extensive psychopharmacology training. I hope you are feeling better!
 

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See the excellent psychopharmacology advice above.

Thyroid issues or meds also affect 'vaping symptoms', i.e. they are in fact thyroid or meds-related (Syntroid is well-known for this).


Another approach is to remove vaping materials from the equation by switching to a hypoallergenic refill (one that is unlikely to cause issues for anyone):

1. Buy some 'Glycerine, USP' at the pharmacy. If the first pharmacy you visit doesn't have a small bottle (100ml or so) with exactly this on the label, move on to the next one, and the next, until you find a bottle that says: Glycerine, USP.

2. Buy some Pure Peppermint Oil flavoring for baking. It must say on the label: pure peppermint oil, no additives or preservatives.

3. Get some distilled water. If you can't buy some, its easy to make: boil some tap water, and the water that drips off the pan lid is DW. Alternatively, scrape the ice off the inside of your freezer: this is DW. It's just pure water with no additions.

4. Take a 5ml e-liquid bottle and clean it out very well. Use vodka etc. Then finally rinse it out with a mix of glycerine and DW.

5. Take the cleaned 5ml bottle and pour in about 2 ml of glycerine. No need for accuracy, about two-thirds of the bottle is fine.

6. Now add distilled water equivalent to about 20% of that. Accuracy doesn't matter. You just need to make the liquid thinner, that is the only reason you're adding it. You add just enough to make the glycerine look like a PG liquid in terms of its viscosity (thickness). Tilt the bottle around to see how 'thick' the liquid looks. About 15% to 20% added DW should do it.

7. Now add 4 drops of peppermint oil.
(Note that this is not an oil, that's just the term used in the flavoring industry, I vaped large quantities of this for nearly a year with no effect and have super-sensitive lungs).
You can also add a little caramel flavor from the baking flavor department, if necessary.

Now you have a 100% VG zero-nicotine refill liquid.

Virtually anyone can vape this without any reactions, there is nothing in it to cause any problems. The exception is an emphysema patient (lungs severely compromised by smoking), I'd advise some PG in it for that specific case.

The next step, when you have found that it causes no issues, is to add a little nicotine (and it must come in a VG base), if you need it. Buy 48mg to 100mg strength nicotine in glycerine (not PG), and add a tiny amount as needed. Take precautions when handling nicotine base (gloves, apron, paper towel at hand, open window nearby).
 

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Your problem reminded me of a time I had similar symptoms - I had swollen tongue, mouth irritations, etc. No one - my GP or Dentist - could figure it out. Then I just started eliminating certain things .. I finally got to my chewing gum - only cinnamon! (loved it!). And that made it go away! If you have any juice with cinnamon or something similar or if you chew cinnamon gum... just stop for a few days and see if that helps.
 

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I've found that I get similar problems with some vanilla/custard flavours, some strawberry, blackberry and cinnamon, plus they make breathing difficulties worse.

6 weeks in to using e-cigs, I found I also have issues with PG too, and that gives me bad breathing difficulties, and an over the counter tablet with theophylline will help with that.
After a further 6-8 weeks, it became apparent that even VG will cause me some problems.
I've come to the conclusion that too much use or too deep inhalation, even with the VG, will still give me congestion and breathing problems.
So, if I'm to be able to carry on, I need to use it as lightly as I can.

For those reasons, I'm trying to get down to zero nicotine (between 0.3 and 0.6mg at the moment), and if I can, I'll then try to decrease my use further. Can but try.
 
I have been vaping for close to 5 years. It will be in August. About 8 months ago i started having weird issues. It seemed like an allergic reaction. My tongue was swelling up some, my throat felt like it had a lump in it at times, and sometimes it felt like someone was strangling me. I slowed down on vaping and it went away, changed the liquid i was vaping. All was good until about a month ago. I have been to the doctor they thought it was my medication but I stopped that and it didn't change. I decreased vaping it helped some but not completely until i just quit. I only vape like 6mg. But symptoms have been getting worse if i start back up. It seems like I cannot vape anything at all. I am having ear and jaw pain, cramps in my shoulders, and lots of tightness in my neck and dizziness at times, and also I have been pretty foggy headed. Mind you all this stops if I stop vaping for a few days and will gradually get worse. It doesn't mater what i vape, all pg all vg low nic etc etc. I have tried everything. I am not a chemist/doctor/pharmacists but I think something else is into play here. The only thing I can think of is, is that the medication I started taking a few months back is not jiving with vaping, or there is a build up of something in my system causing all of this. Anyone else having similar symptoms? I think I am going to get a full work up on blood work, testing anything I can. I just think this is wierd after 5 years, it doesn't seem like a allergic reaction to me. So for now I have stopped vaping because of this, and hopefully I won't go back to smoking.

I had been vaping for 6 months and it hit me. My tongue felt like it was swelling. I was dizzy and felt tingling in my face. I also had stomach issues. I had to stop it took awhile for my symptoms to go away. What stayed the longest was the tingling in the face. Its be 3 months since i vaped until yesterday. Im going through the process. I wasent on any meds and my just hit me. I went to doctors all they could tell me was everything else that was wrong with me Instead of if vaping was causing it. I also had muscle cramps. Hopefully i can work it out. I also wish the best for you
 
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