$500 yeah... $500 really? Those Ihybrids..

[supermarket]

I'd preached to a pasture once...all I got back was MOOOO!!!!!!!!

Lol.


Personally I have nothing against religions, I was raised catholic, and was ordained under a Vajrayana buddhist school when I turned 18, and have continued daily practice to this day.

However, I find the cult/sheep like mentality disappointing. Humans have so much potential, and when I see then unable to exercise their minds, because of dogma and and a rigid, close-minded view of the world , it makes me feel for the human condition As far as we've come, and yet in some ways humanity hasn't evolved at all.

Religion is a tool, just like anything else. Like a hammer, it can either be used to build, or to destroy.


As far as the symbols on the iHybrid, i don't see how ANYONE can honestly think they are meant to be demonic symbols, in order to affect anyone, or this world in a negative way. How can you even say a SKULL is demonic? Every single human has a skull. The symbol of a skull has been used LONG before christianity was even a thought in Constantine's, and the Council of Nicea's minds. Skulls have been used throughout history in symbolism, dating back as far as 50,000+ years ago.


When you let a fear of "satan" or whoever dictate your life, you become polarized. You see everything in black and white. Everything is either good, or evil. Life isn't like that, though. There are many shades of grey. True evil is just ignorance. Through ignorance and fear we create disharmony, and that is "evil", as some call it. The people who have done the MOST evil in this world....caused the MOST death/pain, etc....were mostly highly religious individuals. In the very least, they THOUGHT they were doing good, so just keep that in mind


Sorry for the rant Delete it if anyone sees fit

 

[Chikenbok]

^^ Thus Spoke SuperMarket ^^

 

[Fury83]

Well that was a bit of a rant.

 

[alisa1970]

Lol.

...........

 

[kiwivap]

lol. You guys are too funny.

 

[lynch]

For that price I can get 15 vamos, bunch of clearo's and a 100ML of dekang

 

[BostonVape]

gotta say.. that celtic one looks DOPE.
but not for 500$ lol.. the price on the site actually isn't that bad 250?

anyone know how they compare to provari?

 

[Fury83]

gotta say.. that celtic one looks DOPE.
but not for 500$ lol.. the price on the site actually isn't that bad 250?

anyone know how they compare to provari?

One's a mechanical hybrid and one's a vvpv with a 510, apples to oranges. They are both one of the top examples of their respective class.

 

[supermarket]

Well that was a bit of a rant.

hence me saying " Sorry for the rant" in clear English

<3

 

[Racehorse]

I'm sorry but I laughed out loud at classifieds being where members help other members, it's where people help themselves. .

wow.

That has not been my experience at all. Buying OR selling.

I've even sold stuff to people here on "installments" or "wait til payday" . Never been ripped off once. I've had sellers do really nice things for me, too.

Most of us always send a little lagniappe, etc. and many of us have gone on to be friends as a result of a transaction.


I don't see a classified feedback score for you, so I don't know what your immersion in the classies has been, if your dealings just aged off the board or what?

But I strongly disagree with you. Yes, there are some bad apples. In teh scheme of things........probably a low %


LONG LIVE the ECF classies, which allows us all to share, to recoup $$ on stuff when we upgrade, which allows people who can't afford new to get what they want, and also for the TIRELESS WORK ON THE PART OF ECF mods to make the ECF classies improved and reasonably safe for all. I think it's a great addition to a wonderful forum!

Maybe you should volunteer to help get people verified.......I know somebody has that job and god knows how many hours of their time they have to spend doing that for "us".

 

[Fury83]

hence me saying " Sorry for the rant" in clear English

<3

And me commenting "Well that was a bit of a rant" which was intended more as a confirmation of rantiness than a new discovery of rantitude. Take that clear English.

wow.

That has not been my experience at all. Buying OR selling.

I've even sold stuff to people here on "installments" or "wait til payday" . Never been ripped off once. I've had sellers do really nice things for me, too.

Most of us always send a little lagniappe, etc. and many of us have gone on to be friends as a result of a transaction.


I don't see a classified feedback score for you, so I don't know what your immersion in the classies has been, if your dealings just aged off the board or what?

But I strongly disagree with you. Yes, there are some bad apples. In teh scheme of things........probably a low %


LONG LIVE the ECF classies, which allows us all to share, to recoup $$ on stuff when we upgrade, which allows people who can't afford new to get what they want, and also for the TIRELESS WORK ON THE PART OF ECF MODS to make the ECF classies improved and reasonably safe for all. I think it's a great addition to a wonderful forum!

Maybe you should volunteer to help get people verified.......I know somebody has that job and god knows how many hours of their time they have to spend doing that for "us".

If you want to see my itrader rating you could always click on my profile and look. It doesn't show up with my user title unless I am in the coop or classifieds, same as anyone else.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/itrader.php?u=91978

I'm not specifically talking about bad apples, it's just the nature of a lot of the sales (which is a keyword here) is to recoup money for something they don't want. That's an entirely different intention than helping others. The smaller percentage are the blocks folks of folks doing something nice for other posters or flipping/ripping for profit, the bulk is people trying to get rid of stuff they don't want, need or gain money to fund something else.

I've sold lots of things, a few things this week. I've never charged over my cost and the only things I have sold even at retail are non-used or things I had to effort to get. I'm not into ripping people off and I frequently sell things very cheaply, to the goal of selling them quickly. I only had one sale that was more to help someone new rather than just to offload some stuff. When I've wanted to do that, I've just packed up some gear and sent it over to someone who needed it, no charge. I am not saying we don't do nice things on ECF but selling each other stuff is not generally one of them. Most people consider list on a used high end item a good deal, maybe but it's not doing anybody a favor. As I said, it's hard to make sure someone who needs something gets it through the classies, there are much better ways and even :gasp: a pay it forward section here.

And of course the mods here do a nice job and they have made improvements, I never implied the mods didn't. Obviously, I think it's a nice addition as well, I seem to use it a bit. I know how much work modding a forum is, I do it at an unrelated one that is larger and more volatile than this one. While I appreciate their efforts in creating the framework, it's the people who dictate how it goes. While I don't have any issue with the classies, it's not brimming with altruism nor would anyone realistic expect the selling portion of the site to be.

As for volunteering to help the forum, feel free to jump down off your soap box and take your own advice. I suspect that the someone, Joker, is not looking for random members to help with the verification process but you go right ahead and ask.

Cliff notes

+Be Realistic
+Don't project things I didn't say on to me
+Checking my profile is a good start
+Take your own advice

 

[Racehorse]

+Don't project things I didn't say on to me

I didn't.

I quoted you.

I'm sorry but I laughed out loud at classifieds being where members help other members, it's where people help themselves.

You could not have made that remark if you didn't see those 2 things as mutually exclusive.

I don't agree and said so.


While you're issuing Cliff Notes, here's one for you as well: The very essence of internet forums is to provide an opportunity for posters to air their views publically.

Your sentiments and opinions posted here are YOUR soapbox. In case you weren't aware that you had one.

 

[Fury83]

I didn't.

I quoted you.

Partially quoted me. And in between your odd inability to see my classifieds score and strange suggestion that I volunteer to do something that they would most certainly keep staff only, you make a little speech

LONG LIVE the ECF classies, which allows us all to share, to recoup $$ on stuff when we upgrade, which allows people who can't afford new to get what they want, and also for the TIRELESS WORK ON THE PART OF ECF MODS to make the ECF classies improved and reasonably safe for all. I think it's a great addition to a wonderful forum!

This would seem to imply that...well, I will let you say it

You could not have made that remark if you didn't see those 2 things as mutually exclusive.

Which is also not true and it doesn't even make sense when you consider that I use the classifieds quite frequently. I don't understand how people helping themselves and the classifieds being well run or a good addition are mutually exclusive.

I don't agree and said so.

So you don't agree with the one sentence you quoted or you don't agree with the things you attributed to me based on your vast knowledge of me and how I see things? I'm not entirely sure.

While you're issuing Cliff Notes, here's one for you as well: The very essence of internet forums is to provide an opportunity for posters to air their views publically.

This changes everything

Your sentiments and opinions posted here are YOUR soapbox. In case you weren't aware that you had one.

You veered away from articulating your opinion and into pontificating. "Get off your soapbox" and similar statements have colloquially been used to say stop preaching.



Let me try to steer this back. My original statement was in response to the statement way back on page one of

the classies used to be a place where members helped other members acquire things they wished they could afford etc... you had your occasional entrepreneur... but it was more of a hook a brother up kind of place

It's clearly not that anymore and that's ok. So while it seems you took my original statement as a knock on the site staff or took it personally as a seller of things in the classifieds, it wasn't intended to be either.

 

[warlike36]

I only read 3 pgs. of this thread..but agree 100% with lasttango ! This forums classifieds is where I went to try new mods that I couldn't afford brand new from OG manufacturer. That has changed dramatically (Classifieds). I too hope this is a "Fad" that will wither and die....

There is nothing wrong with profiteering - I do it as ethically as possible on ebay all the time... my only issue with it is that this is not what ECF was like when I joined... and the ecf I love to visit and be a part of used to look down upon it... and ecf has the right to change etc...

If someone wants to pay $500 for a limited edition quality mod... I guess I don't really have an issue with the profiteering aspect... I suppose it fits the definition of art... etc... if they are buying them en masse and selling them here... then I think they are kind of scummy... but that's just my opinion... ecf is special to me.

If I can get a boatload of 801 fusions at ten cents each, I'd like to pass the savings along to my brethren here at ECF... On ebay I might charge a heftier price... It bothers me to think people are hogging up the ihybrids and mad murdock juice with the pure intention of reselling it much higher on ecf... open your own website and sell it there...

My original post was less of a complaint about the $500 price tag here... I just had no idea what they cost new... I imagined they were around $300 and they were scarce...

I am saving for an expensive Mod now... and it's definitely going to be the OPus-D unless Jeso at Vaprlife releases his new VV device before then...

I think the Ihybrids are pretty cool though...

No criticism intended towards ecf or our mods... it seems their hearts are in the best interest of community...

I am truly not in favor of imposing all sorts of restrictions and limitations... I just hope that the classies don't become over-saturated with people trying to make profits...

I look at it as a privilege to recoup some of the money I lost buying something I thought I'd like. Especially with juice. I don't want people to ruin this.

...anyway... I guess time will tell how this works out - but if ecf did ultimately allow profiteering, I think they should do what the epipmagazine forum did... and have a separate auction site for it... and charge people to use it - then ecf could have some extra cash to promote itself and vaping etc.

 

[ripitup361dd]

If a device starts with an I it sounds to much like other devices that start with I,and we all know who that entails to,and won't be buying anything that starts with I!

 

[BostonVape]

If a device starts with an I it sounds to much like other devices that start with I,and we all know who that entails to,and won't be buying anything that starts with I!

pretty sure Apple has no involvement with these e-cig mods lol. And that's a terrible reason to not buy someone's product based on the first letter of the product name.

I don't stop buying items with 'M' as the first letter assuming they are made by Microsoft.

 

[supermarket]

And me commenting "Well that was a bit of a rant" which was intended more as a confirmation of rantiness than a new discovery of rantitude. Take that clear English.



Well gee, thanks for YOUR confirmation. I suppose it couldn't have been considered a "true" rant until your holiness of the ECForums themselves (Furyandsomeoddnumbers) dubbed it a rant!

Thank you 'O great one!