510 Attys: Not All the same?

[jennlsnoopy]

The attys on the 510 run hotter than the 901 I think. If I take too many drags in a row it gets kinda hot.

I have noticed the melting of the edge of the cart, but not enough to bother me or make any kind of difference so I really don't pay attention to how I put the cart in the atty. It might stop the melting if you line it up, but I've never tried it.

 

[jennlsnoopy]

Also the attys can fall in preformance or just die on you at any time. Usually I will blow out the juice and if that doesn't work try rinsing with warm water and let dry over night. Sometimes there is no saving them. May be time to get a new one.

 

[Matman]

Thanks for all of the info folks. The TW attys are $8 for 5. Seems reasonable. Anyone know of a cheaper rate for the Joye 510 attys?

 

[Jsis]

More like $8 for 1. If you buy them as a 5unit though it may bring them closer to $5 for 1. Bulk seems to work well. I'm not sure how they work it in the states. But in the uk if you are willing to spend above £500 on a purchase I believe they can offer everything to you at wholesale which is then a 40% discount. Familly and friends I guess ? Hope this helps.

I've not looked into other sources as I know a friend who was going to start selling them himself only the models he came back with were pathetic whereas my Titan does ecactly as its meant too and thats even without the Vg solution which is now on its way I believe his boss thought the gucci ones were great and so did my m8 too. Until he then saw and had a play with mine !! haha.. Personal research pays.

 

[Matman]

duh. Yeah. $8 for each one. Thanks again.

 

[jdg]

I know Randall at myPVshop.com has genuine Joyes. They come in the pretty white boxes and everything. He has them in packs of 5 for the price of 4, or $39. Ten dollars more and you hit the free shipping mark.
Edit: There are many fine suppliers that carry Joyes, and there are many fine suppliers that carry others. Every reputable web site will have contact information. If you're unsure, or if the brand is important to you, call them and ask. In most cases, they'll be happy to tell you where their stock comes from and why.

 

[Kurt]

OK. While we are on the subject. Apparently there is a right and wrong way to put the cartridge on the 510 atty. My carts are not round all the way on the male end that goes into the atty. I have been aligning the cart so that it is oriented parallel to the bridge (if the is the right term for the actual resistor). If a align it perpendicular (parallel to the metal mesh over the bridge), it seems like the plastic gets too close to the resistor and it sometimes melts a little. Am I right in thinking that the cart goes in a particular way?

And finally, I had a 901 for a while and it seemed like a could vape for at least the length of time it took to smoke an analoge without have the atty overheat or really get that hot. Lately with my 510, it seems like a can't take but a few good drags without it getting hot. Of course the draw is a hard pull too. I cleaned my atty out with a hot water rinse, and the draw improved, but I still am having heat issues. Thus, I am looking for new attys to remedy the situation. When the attys were brand new, they worked like a champ, after a few weeks though (15 ml juice) they seem to fall off in performance. Any recommendations to improve the long term performance of the Joye 510 attys. I have read the various recommendations on cleaning. How often should you clean these things to get the best performace?

Thanks tons!

The cart should go perpendicular to the bridge, not parallel. The bridge is not getting nearly as hot as the coil below it. Do a dry burn...just connect the atty to a batt and fire it up, no cart. You should see glowing, the actual coil that has the resistance. You will see that this glowing shape matches fairly closely to the shape of thhe cart end, which should be covering it when attached to the atty. That is the part that is parellel to the cart, not the bridge, which is just a metal mesh that wicks liquid to the coil, it doesn't directly do the boiling of the liquid. Hope this helps.

 

[Matman]

Thanks Kurt. Do you have any guidance for measuring resistance across the atty? One lead to the threaded area and one lead to the coil?

 

[Kurt]

Thanks Kurt. Do you have any guidance for measuring resistance across the atty? One lead to the threaded area and one lead to the coil?

Sure. If you have a digital volt meter you can do it. Set it to ohms and the range that will allow seeing about 2 ohms. One lead goes to the outer thread on the batt end of the atty, and the other to the center pole of that end, where the center hole is. I think it should read about 2.8 ohms, but I'm not near my meter now. Perhaps someone can correct me. If it is zero, then some internal lead to the coil has broken, or the coil itself is broken somehow, and it is dead.

 

[Matman]

Nice. I'll check it out. Last thing. How hot should I expect my atty to get when having a few drags? Right now, mine gets hot after a few good drags. I figure it has more to do with clogging and poor liquid flow than anything else. I have tried to clean first with blowing. No big improvement. Then with hot water wash. A little better. Next I will try boiling. If not then I will try alcohol. Failing that polident......

All the while I have attys on order.

 

[DaBrat]

Why do the TW attys cost so much? Are they that much better? I see they have a $15 atty and an $18 atty for the 510. Does anyone have experience with the TW atomizers?

i do liek the hit of the TW atty but won;t be buying any more. Not sure if its just me but I BOUGht two with a new 510 kit and had one just quit after less than two weeks. I think they are all luck of the draw.

 

[Kurt]

Nice. I'll check it out. Last thing. How hot should I expect my atty to get when having a few drags? Right now, mine gets hot after a few good drags. I figure it has more to do with clogging and poor liquid flow than anything else. I have tried to clean first with blowing. No big improvement. Then with hot water wash. A little better. Next I will try boiling. If not then I will try alcohol. Failing that polident......

All the while I have attys on order.

Hmm. How hot? It should get warm, but not too hot to touch. If its getting sluggish and clogged, and getting hot, you probably need to thin your juice. what are you vaping? VG, PG, mix?

 

[Matman]

Doesn't TW sell the original Joye 510 atty? I have always assumed that there are original 510 attys, then a couple of copies. I thought TW sold the same exact atty as Rocky Mountain Vapor or Cignot or Midwest Vapor in that the atty comes from the same place of manufacture.

 

[Matman]

Kurt. Right now I am vaping PG from strictly e-juice. However, before that I was using Johnson Creek as well as a VG juice from somewhere else. I am sure the VG was a bad fit for the atty. When the atty was brand new, it worked like a champ. The poor draw started after a few weeks without cleaning.

The atty is not so hot it will burn you, but it would be very uncomfortable if you put it to the side of your neck! As it gets that hot, the taste suffers too.

 

[Kurt]

Kurt. Right now I am vaping PG from strictly e-juice. However, before that I was using Johnson Creek as well as a VG juice from somewhere else. I am sure the VG was a bad fit for the atty. When the atty was brand new, it worked like a champ. The poor draw started after a few weeks without cleaning.

The atty is not so hot it will burn you, but it would be very uncomfortable if you put it to the side of your neck! As it gets that hot, the taste suffers too.

Bingo. Shouldn't be that hot. Likely the problem stems from too thick juice initially. Try adding some drops of vodka to the JC. The PG juice shouldn't do this, but I don't vape PG these days, only VG juices, so I may be wrong. Too thick will slow attys down after a while, and if you keep pushing them while slow they may become permanently slow. I would do a Crest Health-Pro mouthwash soak for about 15 minutes, then lots of hot water and blowing out. Over time little crusties will form, and the Crest will help get them out. An atty that stays too hot too long will start to either warp or melt glue, not sure which exactly, but once that happens the atty will work but will be permanently sluggish.

My juices are all DIY VG with about 10% vodka or 15% distilled water to thin them, and help release flavors better. I use Scottyballs' ZFM cart mod, which is an auto-drip, no filler, and I get far fewer clogs now, and the cart lasts a long time.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cartridge-mods/53487-zfm-zero-filler-mod.html

Keeping the bridge moist is important, as when the coil gets glowing hot juice caramelization can occur onto the coil and all through the wicking parts. Stock filler after a few cart-fulls tends to tamp down and not wick to the coil well...thus all the mods people go crazy over trying to improve upon this, plus the fact that the stock filler holds juice to well. Blue foam is another filler people use, as it wicks better than stock.

Good luck!

 

[Matman]

Kurt. Thanks for all of the info. The ZFM cart looks sweet! You say the cart lasts longer? I wondered about that. I seem to have to top off frequently to keep the performance up. The ZFM keeps the fluid flowing until empty? Do you have any special tools for cutting your hole when using the ZFM? No leaks?

Also, why VG over PG?

 

[Scottbee]

Kurt is pretty much on top of it.

A lot of folks don't realize that an atty that runs hot often has too much liquid in it.. not too little.

Although it may sound counterintuitive... an atty that has a lot of liquid in it has a (thermally) conductive path from the coil to the outer shell (the liquid)... they run hot and don't produce a very satisfying vapor. A properly running atty is surprisingly cool. While I am vaping I often put my finger on the atty body to "check her temp".. it's almost subconscious now.

 

[Kurt]

Kurt. Thanks for all of the info. The ZFM cart looks sweet! You say the cart lasts longer? I wondered about that. I seem to have to top off frequently to keep the performance up. The ZFM keeps the fluid flowing until empty? Do you have any special tools for cutting your hole when using the ZFM? No leaks?

Also, why VG over PG?

I don't tolerate PG well, as is the case for many here. It irritates my mouth, throat and lungs. I'm also not into producing extra lactic acid, which is the primary metabolite of PG. VG works great for me, although it must be thinned some as it is much thicker. Some use alcohol, maybe 10%, to do this. I am using distilled water, about 20%, which works about as well.

For ZFM, I use an xacto knife, straight edge, not curved. If you make the plug from the 510 cart condom, the center hole is done first, by pinching the condom so the end section is pinched in half, and then the knife can just carve out a half-diamond on the folded edge. Then I put the condom on the cart, as it normally would be, and use the cart inner wall to guide the knife around the periphery, cutting an oval the shape of the inside of the cart.

Leaks? Well, it will probably take you a few condoms to get it right initially. I still get some leaks periodically...I think its impossible to eliminate them 100% forever...but I actually get far less now than when I was using stock filler.

And yes, if the hole is right, and the bridge wicks perfectly, it will empty completely. I get around 50 hits before having to refill. Expect failures initially, but it does work well when done right. And any silicone sheet can be used as the plug. Lots of kitchen ware uses silicone and can be thin enough to cut and use. The thread I linked has people basically tearing up all sorts of stuff. The trick is to have the straw end be about 2 mm below the top of the cart, if the plug is about 1 mm thick. And it should be thin enough that the bridge can push into it and make a "bowl" to sit in and gather juice. If it is in too deep, it will be always like a cart that needs topping off. Have fun and good luck!

Scottbee, thanks for clarifying some of my points!

 

[Bjorn Toulouse]

Kurt is pretty much on top of it.

A lot of folks don't realize that an atty that runs hot often has too much liquid in it.. not too little.

Although it may sound counterintuitive... an atty that has a lot of liquid in it has a (thermally) conductive path from the coil to the outer shell (the liquid)... they run hot and don't produce a very satisfying vapor. A properly running atty is surprisingly cool. While I am vaping I often put my finger on the atty body to "check her temp".. it's almost subconscious now.

I have been using the 510 for quite some time now I personally like mine not quite swimming but definatly paddeling in liquid. pool two drops on the top of the cart use for 4-6 draws top off and start again.

The only atties I have had that get red hot are
a faulty
b plugged into a 5v mod with a stuck switch!!

 

[WillyB]

Kurt is pretty much on top of it.

A lot of folks don't realize that an atty that runs hot often has too much liquid in it.. not too little.

Although it may sound counterintuitive... an atty that has a lot of liquid in it has a (thermally) conductive path from the coil to the outer shell (the liquid)... they run hot and don't produce a very satisfying vapor. A properly running atty is surprisingly cool. While I am vaping I often put my finger on the atty body to "check her temp".. it's almost subconscious now.

Well I use the Marineland blue foam. Nothing else, no springs, straws, plugs etc. I go by the 'gurgle' factor to determine the right size piece to cut. If a new cart fill is constantly gurgling I know I've cut it too small.