I too have had the burnt harsh taste alot. figured it was from vaping to much and soon between cool downs. Some here mention the cartridge filler hairs burning. Think I will try the tea bag again and see if that cures it.
510 very harsh. Model, juice, or what?
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This is the heart of it right here. The 510 atomizer floods REALLY easily. You have to be careful not to get too much liquid down in the coil. When it floods, you should vape it with an empty cart until it comes back to life.
Conversely, it chews through fluid pretty quickly when it's not flooded so you have to be very aware of the taste. The moment it tastes burnt you should add a couple drops to your cart.
Also be aware that filler material has a big impact. I'm partial to Pyramid Tea Bags for filler myself, but there are a number of good alternatives to the polly that comes in stock carts. Look around the board for countless threads addressing them.
10 tips to avoid harsh, burnt taste on 510 atomizers:
(Or, "What I've learned so far on ECF...")
1. Blow out the primer fluid on new attys
2. Two drops of liquid on the new atty, "puff & blow" until the atty takes on the flavor of the liquid
3. Don't drag too long to overheat the juice on the atty
4. Don't use too fast between draws to allow the atty to wick up more juice & cool down
5. Modify the filler (PTB or straw method) to optimize wicking and not have to top off or refill as much
6. Occasionally remove the filler and rinse it out, dry & refill
7. Certain flavors can handle a long, slow draw (tobacco, menthol, coffee, nut flavors) and certain ones taste better with a quick, deep draw (fruity, delicate, sweet flavors.)
8. Occasionally blow out the atty or hot water rinse followed by 2 days of drying to clean off gunk. Dry burns, coke and/or vodka baths are sworn by some, but research that.
9. Don't flood the atty or it may overwork it trying to vaporize the excess liquid.
10. Try different liquids & nic levels. Not all liquids are created equal. If you aren't satified with the vapor/throat hit, you may be overusing it and not allowing time for the the atty to wick & cool.
(Or, "What I've learned so far on ECF...")
1. Blow out the primer fluid on new attys
2. Two drops of liquid on the new atty, "puff & blow" until the atty takes on the flavor of the liquid
3. Don't drag too long to overheat the juice on the atty
4. Don't use too fast between draws to allow the atty to wick up more juice & cool down
5. Modify the filler (PTB or straw method) to optimize wicking and not have to top off or refill as much
6. Occasionally remove the filler and rinse it out, dry & refill
7. Certain flavors can handle a long, slow draw (tobacco, menthol, coffee, nut flavors) and certain ones taste better with a quick, deep draw (fruity, delicate, sweet flavors.)
8. Occasionally blow out the atty or hot water rinse followed by 2 days of drying to clean off gunk. Dry burns, coke and/or vodka baths are sworn by some, but research that.
9. Don't flood the atty or it may overwork it trying to vaporize the excess liquid.
10. Try different liquids & nic levels. Not all liquids are created equal. If you aren't satified with the vapor/throat hit, you may be overusing it and not allowing time for the the atty to wick & cool.
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I've never had a harsh or burnt taste from flooding an atty. That just seemed to reduce the atty's ability to make decent vapor because it can't vaporize all of the liquid. But, I suppose it could make one draw too hard and too long, overworking the atty.
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Great tips, kristin! Nice work.
As far as harsh flooded atomizers, I think part of it is that the wispy vapor that gets produced by a flooded atomizer is hotter and heavier (bigger droplets) than normal, making it feel harsh on the back of the throat. There's a distinct difference between the harshness of a flooded atomizer and the burnt taste of a dry atomizer in my experience.
Also note that I usually vape the 510 atomizer on a Prodigy, so the harshness is probably enhanced by the higher 5v setup.
Flooded is the part I don't get. I have not noticed mine changing in anyway that I could attribute to being flooded. I have blown them out, added a couple drops, topped off the cart and they vape great, until 10 minutes later getting that kind of burnt taste. Then top off and i go again.
What exactly are the symtoms or signs of "flooded" ?
What exactly are the symtoms or signs of "flooded" ?
After 10 minute of vaping, depending on frequency of use, the filler is drying out and the atty isn't getting enough liquid to keep wet.
I think a good analogy would be how your car engine would smell if you were out of oil? (Or maybe not, but that's as close as I can think of.)
With the right kind of filler, the liquid flows better and the atty doesn't get too dry. I think this happens a lot more than flooded attys.
A flooded atty "gurgles" and produces less vapor until the liquid burns off.
Yep. Sometimes they gurgle, sometimes they sound sorta wet without making a gurgle, sometimes they just stop working correctly even though they don't gurgle. If it's flooded, you can usually tell easily by blowing through the atomizer. A flooded one will sputter and spit liquid.
It sounds to me as if you're (sunsetnkc) just vaping through your cart and need to top off more often. If I were you, I'd try making some Pyramid Tea Bag fillers and see if that helps. I've found that PTB holds a lot more liquid than standard polly. Until then, just top off more often and you should be fine.
Oh, and remember: every atomizer is different. Not only that, but there are a myriad factors that can impact PV performance. Age of the atomizer, if it's flooded or dry, the kind of fluid you're using, how wet or dry your cart is, whether your batteries are freshly charged or not, what kind of filler you're using and so forth. That's just something you're going to have to get used to. At the moment there simply isn't a PV that delivers absolutely consistent hits every time.
kristin,
Nice list!
One comment re:
"Occasionally blow out the atty or hot water rinse followed by 2 days of drying to clean off gunk. Dry burns, coke and/or vodka baths are sworn by some, but research that."
I'd suggest researching the hot water rinse as well.
Nice list!
One comment re:
"Occasionally blow out the atty or hot water rinse followed by 2 days of drying to clean off gunk. Dry burns, coke and/or vodka baths are sworn by some, but research that."
I'd suggest researching the hot water rinse as well.
surf monkey,
Curious as to which PTB method you use. My tries with it so far haven't been that good (leaky and then completely dried stiff) but I haven't tried every method. The top folded method looks like it might work - I should try that tonight I have some homemade absinthe to try out and need a fresh filler.
But with the success of the screen mod it looks like the folded PTB might work in a similar manner, esp. if it surrounds the bridge since most of the juice seems to hold in the folds. Only thing is that the PTB might stay on the bridge where the screen isn't likely to. Just thinking it out here.
Curious as to which PTB method you use. My tries with it so far haven't been that good (leaky and then completely dried stiff) but I haven't tried every method. The top folded method looks like it might work - I should try that tonight I have some homemade absinthe to try out and need a fresh filler.
But with the success of the screen mod it looks like the folded PTB might work in a similar manner, esp. if it surrounds the bridge since most of the juice seems to hold in the folds. Only thing is that the PTB might stay on the bridge where the screen isn't likely to. Just thinking it out here.
boil 15min and coke bath for 24 hrs then vodka for mine. (only when needed, i.e. when the attie no longer produces)
When it stops working anything goes, but when a newbie sees 'I stomped on my atty and and it is working better than ever now' they don't always see that as a last ditch effort.
I've seen posts where coke and boiling have killed attys on the spot for some people. Same with isopropyl. Not vodka though.
Bjorn Toulouse said: "boil 15min and coke bath for 24 hrs then vodka for mine."
OR Put in 15 minutes of overtime at work and buy a new atomizer or two.
OR Put in 15 minutes of overtime at work and buy a new atomizer or two.
Does cleaing the attie really work? Do you have to do it?
I won't do any cleaning because I only have two of them, and if they die, I will be in trouble. But when I do get more, maybe I will try.
I am just not into all this maintainence. I just want to keep it simple.
I won't do any cleaning because I only have two of them, and if they die, I will be in trouble. But when I do get more, maybe I will try.
I am just not into all this maintainence. I just want to keep it simple.
There are several here that have never cleaned. Some lost some, some haven't. And if you're not having problems and only have 2 for now, I'd pass on cleaning.
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