[510] Why so many atomizers [and other 510 questions]?

[Jewel Ship]

So, I just ordered a Riva 510 from Liberty Flights. This will be my very first 510 e-cig, as I have been using a Puresmoker Ace and V4L's usb passthrough.

When looking up information about 'big battery' e-cigs, I noticed that there's a lot of stuff available for the 510 [big battery and small], and was wondering:

1. why are there so many 510 atomizers? There's regular, low resistance, mega [or in some places, 'XL'],
eGo cone shaped, and eGo round shaped. What's the difference between mega [or XL] and cone or round shaped? How much liquid the cartridge that's designed to fit it can hold is all I can see.

2. What type of 510 atomizer do you use?

3. Is there a difference in atomizer life between the styles listed in [1]? Does the regular not last as long as the cone or round styles?

4. Why isn't there a 510 passthrough that doesn't have a battery in it?

5. Does a 510 passthrough still function if the battery inside will no longer accept a charge, or do you have to either replace the battery in it with a new one, or just chuck the whole passthrough and buy a new passthrough?

 

[mr quackums]

the only question i can answer is 4

"4. Why isn't there a 510 passthrough that doesn't have a battery in it?"

there is one. i dont remember where i got it but i did.

sorry i couldnt be more help, but at least its something.

 

[Jewel Ship]

the only question i can answer is 4

"4. Why isn't there a 510 passthrough that doesn't have a battery in it?"

there is one. i dont remember where i got it but i did.

sorry i couldnt be more help, but at least its something.

Hey, something's better than nothing, right, ? I'd be very interested should you remember where you saw one!

 

[ejoker]

510 Sit and Go USB Passthrough

 

[VeeDubb65]

510 Sit and Go USB Passthrough

That's the opposite of what the OP is looking for. He's looking for a PT that does NOT have a built in batt. One that runs strictly off the PT.

 

[KSV]

the only question i can answer is 4

"4. Why isn't there a 510 passthrough that doesn't have a battery in it?"

there is one. i dont remember where i got it but i did.

sorry i couldnt be more help, but at least its something.

MadVapes carries one.

 

[DC2]

I've been using the standard Joye 510 atomizer for just over 16 months now.

I've tried a number of others, including the 306, BE112, RN4081, DSE103, LR 510, SLB 510, and KR808D-1 cartomizer.
But I keep going right back to the standard 510 atomizer.

 

[Jewel Ship]

MadVapes carries one.

Do you mean this one? [Kool Aid man] OH YEAH!!! [/Kool Aid man]
Thanks for pointing out Madvapes, KSV! I probably would have never found it if you didn't mention the site.

Does anyone know why most USB passthroughs designed for the 510 have batteries in them? Is it something about the atomizer? What happens to a 510 passthrough when the battery dies? Does it still work?

 

[Jewel Ship]

I've been using the standard Joye 510 atomizer for just over 16 months now.

I've tried a number of others, including the 306, BE112, RN4081, DSE103, LR 510, SLB 510, and KR808D-1 cartomizer.
But I keep going right back to the standard 510 atomizer.

How long do your regular 510 atomizers last you, on average? A week? A month?

Once they stop performing well, do you throw them away? Do you clean them?

I'm not understanding why 510's have so many atomizer options. Based on the poll results so far, It would seem regular 510 atomizers are fine for the majority. If so, why make so many others? What's the selling point of them? The cartridges [that mate up to the non-regular 510 atomizers] can hold more liquid is all I can see.

 

[Jewel Ship]

Oh! Almost forgot; I was reading about 510 atomizers, and how they have 'primer' on them. Besides 'vape but don't inhale', what other methods are there for removing this primer? Boiling?

 

[UntamedRose]

why are there so many 510 atomizers? They each have a different function....the 510 refers to the connection size thats pretty much it now.
regular: Will work one all units that have a 510 connection
low resistance: Used to stimulate higher voltage vaping, cant be used on smaller batteries. work well on eGo's and 3.7 mods
High resistance: Used to lower amps. used on 6v's...to make it more like a 5v
(5v is considered the "sweet" spot)
mega: Same as the regulars, only difference is they are a little longer. Where made for cosmetic reasons to go with mega 510 batteries
eGo cone shaped and eGo round shaped: ever look at an eGo? It's made to look like it's made to go on the end of one. Cones are the traditional look, rounds dont taper off.
eGo cartos are suppose to hold 2.5mls...(though I've never used them read that)

Me I used an LR on an eGo or a regular on my GLV2 5v.

Yes and No...atty life seems very dependent upon How YOU treat your attys, your juices, your ecigs...
Some folks cant get an LR to last longer then two days...others they last for months.
There are lots of theories on this, whos makes the best attys, what cleaning method...and no definite answers.

 

[VeeDubb65]

oes anyone know why most USB passthroughs designed for the 510 have batteries in them?

It's because despite what the review on that site says, they won't work from most USB ports without one. A standard USB port only puts out 0.5 amps, and that PT requires a minimum on 1.5 to function. It will not only fail to work with most USB ports, it will also fail to work with most rapid USB chargers.

 

[Toby]

Oh! Almost forgot; I was reading about 510 atomizers, and how they have 'primer' on them. Besides 'vape but don't inhale', what other methods are there for removing this primer? Boiling?

Just blow out excess from battery end of atomiser before first use.

How long do your regular 510 atomizers last you, on average? A week? A month?

Once they stop performing well, do you throw them away? Do you clean them?

I'm not understanding why 510's have so many atomizer options. Based on the poll results so far, It would seem regular 510 atomizers are fine for the majority. If so, why make so many others? What's the selling point of them? The cartridges [that mate up to the non-regular 510 atomizers] can hold more liquid is all I can see.

Most atomisers should last a fair few weeks, some get months of use, but tend to start to tail off in about a couple of weeks...

510 is the most used thread; so that is why there are so many options, with so many people preferring different resistances, actions, aesthetics, or cartridge capacities.

And there are many other atomisers of course, that get neglected by the monopoly of 510 thread usage. I recommend the M series (M301/M601) if you haven't tried one, sort of like a cross between 510 (vapour) and 901 (flavour), with a lovely action...

 

[DC2]

How long do your regular 510 atomizers last you, on average? A week? A month?

My atomizers last a very long time.
In fact, I have never killed an atomizer yet.

I gave away my DSE103s and RN4081s to my sister after using them for a couple of weeks.
My LR 510, SLB 510, and BE112 were used a couple of times and are now sitting in my drawer.

For about 6 months I was rotating two 306s and two 510s each week.
I was using one 306/510 pair for a week while cleaning the second pair (diet coke) and letting them dry.
When I got drip tips I decided to just stick with the 510s, so the two 306s got put aside and are now sitting in my drawer.

NOTE: During that time I did throw away one 306 atomizer because it was starting to really underperform

Then for about 3 months I was rotating just the two 510 atomizers.
But once I discovered the Highping dry burn method I decided I would just stick with one atomizer until it died.
So one of the original two 510 atomizers got stuck in the drawer along with all the rest.

The 510 atomizer I'm using right now I've been using exclusively for just over 7 months.
But actually, I have been using it a lot longer than that, as explained above.

Keep in mind, though, that I am a very light vaper and I go through less than 1ml of juice per day.

Once they stop performing well, do you throw them away? Do you clean them?

When I notice any drop in performance whatsoever I clean them using the Highping method...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/69834-my-atty-resurrection-method.html

I'm not understanding why 510's have so many atomizer options.

There are so many options because there are so many batteries.
And because there are so many different people with different tastes.

It's all about power, and how much power you want behind the vaporization of your juice.

Power is a function of voltage and resistance of the atomizer.
More voltage gives more power which causes more heat at the atomizer.
More heat at the atomizer causes a lot more vapor, and also changes the flavor of your juice.
Sometimes the taste changes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

Lower resistance in the atomizer gives more power too.
And one reason there are so many different 510 atomizers is because they have different resistances.

Also keep in mind that every juice tastes quite different at different power levels.
And we all know how different people are in how they want their juice to taste.



EDIT: And of course, also, the things that UntamedRose said above as well...

 

[DC2]

Oh! Almost forgot; I was reading about 510 atomizers, and how they have 'primer' on them. Besides 'vape but don't inhale', what other methods are there for removing this primer? Boiling?

Regarding the idea of primer fluid, check out this post and decide for yourself...

We assume that it is unflavored zero-nic PG, as that would comply with the requirements:

1. Must coat and protect metal parts from oxidation, even in long-term storage.
2. Must not contain water as this might contribute to corrosion.
3. Should inhibit bacterial growth.
4. Must not be hazardous to inhale.
5. Should not contain nicotine or flavorings that the end user may not want to consume.

Note that the statement "It tastes bad", on first use, is not strictly true: the primer liquid has no taste - but there are various materials being vaporized on first use of an atomizer that do not taste very good, as it is cleaning out manufacturing residues. Such things might include coatings on the silica fibres within the heater coil or wick, residues on the metal of the coil, adhesive residues within the heating chamber, coatings on the steel sleeve, machine cutting oil and so on.

After the first few seconds these have gone, but it's a good idea to just puff out the first 6 or 10 puffs, just to be on the safe side. It's unlikely that such small amounts of anything could be toxic, but if something doesn't taste good then there is no reason to consume it.

Actually the issue is whether there are any toxic residues left over from manufacturing within the atomizer, not if the primer fluid is toxic, as a manufacturer would be unlikely to use anything other than a safe liquid. As such residues will be cleaned out within 30 seconds or so, it doesn't seem a big issue.

As for as how to get rid of it, before I use an atomizer I rinse it out real well with hot water.
But any time you rinse an atomizer out with water, make sure you dry it well or it will seem like it doesn't work anymore.

 

[Jewel Ship]

It's because despite what the review on that site says, they won't work from most USB ports without one. A standard USB port only puts out 0.5 amps, and that PT requires a minimum on 1.5 to function. It will not only fail to work with most USB ports, it will also fail to work with most rapid USB chargers.

Thanks for the info. This particular USB passthrough would be okay to use with a 2A car charger to USB though, right?

 

[Jewel Ship]

My atomizers last a very long time.
In fact, I have never killed an atomizer yet...

The 510 atomizer I'm using right now I've been using exclusively for just over 7 months.
But actually, I have been using it a lot longer than that, as explained above.

Keep in mind, though, that I am a very light vaper and I go through less than 1ml of juice per day.

When I notice any drop in performance whatsoever I clean them using the Highping method...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/69834-my-atty-resurrection-method.html...

This is very good news. I was concerned I would be spending more on components for the Riva 510 I ordered, compared to what I spend on cartomizers for my kr808.

You say that you are a very light vaper...even If you only vape .5ML a day, after 7 months, that's still 105ML on average, and the atomizer is still working! I've bookmarked your link to the Highping method, and plan to implement it.

I also think the idea of washing the new atomizer with water and letting it dry before using seems like my preferred way of getting rid of this primer stuff.

Since you don't vape that much, may I ask how many ML of juice do you go through before you clean your atomizer using the Highping method?

 

[DC2]

Since you don't vape that much, may I ask how many ML of juice do you go through before you clean your atomizer using the Highping method?

I blow it out real good at least once per day, to get out old juice.
I only clean it with the Highping method as needed.

That is basically when I notice any dropoff in perfomance.
Or if I notice a slight burnt taste starting to develop even when the atomizer is not dry.

And that happens maybe once every two weeks.

 

[debb]

i voted other because i used lr attys when i got my riva....quit analogs with them....i still use lr...but also use e2's with the riva....both are awesome vapes...

 

[Jewel Ship]

I blow it out real good at least once per day, to get out old juice.
I only clean it with the Highping method as needed.

That is basically when I notice any dropoff in perfomance.
Or if I notice a slight burnt taste starting to develop even when the atomizer is not dry.

And that happens maybe once every two weeks.

When you blow out the atomizer, do you take off the cartridge part that normally has white plastic filler, then blow into the atomizer piece, causing the liquid to come out the battery end, or do you blow out the battery end?

If I'm using a regular 510 cartridge with the white plastic filler and not dripping, should I drip liquid onto the atomizer coil, or just drip the liquid into the white plastic filler in the cartridge part?