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$8000 fine if caught with nicotine ejuice in oz

Discussion in 'Australia - New Zealand Forum' started by POSSUM_CHOPS, May 4, 2011.

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  1. Sellaman

    Sellaman Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 16, 2011
    Queensland Australia
    Sounds crazy to me ....the $8000 fine sounds stupid. Anyhow I'm new to vaping and have a kit on order. Just as well I ordered the non nicotine juice.

    There's one thing I don't understand ......are all the juices poisonous to children or just the nicotine juices? :confused:
     
  2. Timtam

    Timtam Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 30, 2009
    Australia
    The problem here is Australia is turning into a nanny-state. Their law making has no sense behind it, no research, and most of the time it is to fight knee-jerk reactions to situations, a la the Port Arthur Massacre and gun laws. What this is about is they want to get as much tax money off us smokers as possible. We are second-rate citizens in their eyes. (Well actually, third-rate in their eyes. First is themselves, second are the regular people, third are the smokers). Gone are the days where they realise THEY WORK FOR US! And most Australians are just willing to roll over and take it up the ..., or maybe write out on a forum like this one how much they hate a new piece if legislation, but they are too scared or something to send some letters or emails to their government.
    The government realises that we are most of the time always willing to just take the cigarette tax on the chin and still smoke. It's just preying on people who are pretty much dependant on a drug. Australia is considered one of the most over-regulated first world countries on this planet. And I can see how they get to those conclusions.

    Well usually, no. It's only the nicotine in e-juice that is poisonus in MOST liquids. Some may use different chemicals to enhance or even give a throat hit which may or may not be toxic to children when injested at high quantities. However, it's just common-sense to keep such liquids, whether they contain nicotine or not, away from children and pets. You don't (or shouldn't) leave bleach or drain cleaner or ammonia out around kids, so why would you leave e-liquid out?
     
  3. Sellaman

    Sellaman Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 16, 2011
    Queensland Australia
    Thanks , that's good to know.
     
  4. Timtam

    Timtam Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 30, 2009
    Australia
    Well when I say that, most juices just contain PG or VG and flavouring. PG and VG are both found in multiple foodstuffs, so they should be safe for human ingestion to a certain degree. The flavouring could have adverse effects on children, especially if they have allergies or ADHD or similar, and certain flavourings are a no-no for them as they may go crazy for a period of time.

    But like I said, I would never risk the health of kids or pets by being careless and leaving juices out where they may be able to get to them.
     
  5. Sellaman

    Sellaman Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 16, 2011
    Queensland Australia
    I ordered an Ego-Tank Kit 3 days ago, and on the user manual it says to avoid getting the juices on your skin and if it gets on your lips to wash your mouth out. As far as I know the juices that came with the kit smell like pipe tobacco so I don't know if they have nicotine in them. (probably not as my order came from Australia... healthecigarette.com.au). I got some of this juice on my fingers when I cleaned the mouthpiece. The juice has a very strong odor. It leaked out of the cartridge a tiny bit. I'd hate to get it on my lips or in my mouth if it leaks a bit.
     
  6. lukeyvapo

    lukeyvapo Full Member

    Jun 15, 2011
    Melbourne, Australia
    Just the nicotine juice. Nicotine is essentially a poison, as is alcohol. All poisons are poisonous to children...lol.
     
  7. kalvinf

    kalvinf Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2011
    Hamilton Canada
    This fine on importing nicotine is it just in Queensland or is it Australia wide? Would each province/state be able to legislate their own laws on e-cigarettes?
     
  8. symphynity

    symphynity Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 9, 2011
    Australia
    Queensland only . Customs alert the QLD Dept of Health who then contact you ( I'm led to believe) .

    My partner works with Customs Officers here in Sydney , some of them import Nic Juice themselves . You can import a 3 month supply for personal use , selling it is Prohibited unless you have a licence ( virtually impossible to get !).
     
  9. kalvinf

    kalvinf Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2011
    Hamilton Canada
    So if you lived in QLD and had a friend in Sydney, your friend could order juice with nic from anywhere and use the internal mail post to get it to you in QLD?
     
  10. symphynity

    symphynity Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 9, 2011
    Australia
    Yes . There is no internal checking of ordinary parcels (domestic) in Australia . But , I dont know if possession is legal in QLD ( Im inclined to think that its not).
     
  11. onionpants

    onionpants Full Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 5, 2009
    Brisbane, Australia
    I live in Brisbane and am worried about my next order of nic juice being seized by QLD Health. What if I lease a post office box across the border in Tweed Heads, little over an hours drive, and have my orders sent there? Would that work?
     
  12. wyojoe

    wyojoe Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 8, 2011
    Wyoming
    If getting it on you lips or sometimes in your mouth is bad, I would be dead. I dont do it on purpose but it happens all the time. When I fill carto's or drip from the bottle I get liquid on my hands all the time, everyday, and I wipe it off with a napkin and go about my business and not worry about it. If the juice was just pure nicotine then that would be a different story, the E-juice is only 24 to 36 milligrams Per Millititer worst case and you can go as low as 8mg's, but most people use 18 to 24mg's, so that is not a very high nicotine level. Hope this helps.
     
  13. Sellaman

    Sellaman Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 16, 2011
    Queensland Australia
    It sure does. Thanks a million!!!!:thumb:
     
  14. Sellaman

    Sellaman Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 16, 2011
    Queensland Australia
    I just checked on the phone to Australian Customs and the Therapeutic Goods Administration and importing nic juice for personal consumption is completely legal anywhere in Australia.

    The only restrictions is that you can't import more than $1,000 worth of nic juice.
     
  15. kalvinf

    kalvinf Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2011
    Hamilton Canada
    So the original news byte via the youtube video is maybe media hype?
     
  16. salemgold

    salemgold ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Jul 5, 2010
    South Carolina
    That is great news Sellaman! I really think that you will have much more success with the nic in your juice. I am very happy that you were able to get this information before you got your order placed :2cool:
     
  17. UncleBob

    UncleBob Full Member

    Gee, it would be nice to see that in writing.
    Which number did you call?

    Check the update in the "Economic Aussie Orders sticky" for recent procurement.
     
  18. Sellaman

    Sellaman Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 16, 2011
    Queensland Australia
    You can check out the laws on nic imports at the Therapeutic Goods Administration .
    Their telephone number is 1800 020 653.
    They won't tell you if anything is legal or not . They told me that it has to be searched on their web site.

    But Australian Customs were very helpful. I told them I wanted to import nicotine juice for my electronic cigarette and they said it's perfectly legal.

    And , I couldn't see anything in the Aussie Orders sticky about recent procurement???
     
  19. Slickstick

    Slickstick Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran


    I guess they should do the same for BLEACH and many other lethal things then.
    High nicotine content could POTENTIALLY be harmful to small children.. there have been no reported cases.
    In America I label the bottles themselves with warnings to keep away from kids and not to drink.
    Responsibility and knowledge are key.
     
  20. UncleBob

    UncleBob Full Member

    Thanks for that.
    On that site nicotine is not listed on "List of drug substances requiring import and or export authorizations"

    Got sick of the endless pages if you just search "nicotine" (90 pages, and still says "next 20"), but searching "guidelines for importing nicotine" came across this:


    "ALTERNATIVE NICOTINE DELIVERY DEVICES
    In the last couple of months a proliferation of new devices providing nicotine in products other than those that need to be lit and inhaled have been launched into various markets around the world. Alternative nicotine delivery devices (ANDS) include products such as sweets, hand gel,[249] mouth washes and electronic cigarettes.[249-251]
    Electronic cigarettes consist of a tubing device resembling a conventional cigarette. This heats a replaceable cartridge filled with liquid nicotine and other chemicals (i.e. it does not contain tobacco leaf). The heating process creates a mist that resembles cigarette smoke and is inhaled by the user. The e-cigarette is marketed by some companies as a healthier alternative; for example, ‘Egar Cigarette can be used legally indoors, in restaurants – ANYWHERE you wish, where traditional smoking is prohibited! ... Beat the smoking ban!’
    If e-cigarettes are marketed as an aid in withdrawal from smoking they will be considered a therapeutic good, and would have to be listed on the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods before they could be imported and retailed in Australia. It seems unlikely that they would meet standards for safety and efficacy. If, on the other hand, e-cigarettes are marketed exclusively as recreational devices, they may not meet the definition of therapeutic use. The Standard for the Uniform Scheduling of Drugs and Poisons (SUSDP) currently categories all nicotine products that are not tobacco products or are used for NRT as falling under Schedule 7, which covers Dangerous Poisons. Therefore, at present, such products (not being clearly a tobacco product or NRT) would probably not satisfy the stated exceptions, and could not be retailed under state and territory legislation.
    As with smokeless tobacco, health experts have differing views about the usefulness of these products.[252, 253] Concerns are not easily dismissed about the potential of such products to attract young people who would not otherwise have used any form of nicotine, and to then act as a gateway to cigarettes.
    Also worrying is the possibility that adults who might otherwise have given up tobacco completely could remain dependent on nicotine, helped by the availability of such products, and return to cigarettes, which are always likely to be a superior delivery device.[248, 254] Modelling of the potential benefits and harms suggests the need for restricting the availability of such products to long-time users who are unable to quit. However, such an approach would have few public health benefits unless large numbers of these smokers knew about such alternative products and were willing to try them. This conundrum will continue to be debated.[242, 244, 245, 255-261]
    ACTION PROPOSED
    Any regulatory body established to regulate the design, labeling and marketing of tobacco products could also be given responsibility for regulating alternative nicotine delivery devices."
    ENDS

    But after all that you still have the Queensland Health Dept.... apparently.

    So still a gray area and we can expect legislation at some time.

    Re "And , I couldn't see anything in the Aussie Orders sticky about recent procurement??"

    I thought you wanted nic, and posted were a couple of companies I just got some from:

     
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