I know! batteries just happen to come into the conversation I think cause they do contribute to the overall atty performance.
901 vs 510 vs 401 (BATTLE OF THE MINI ATOMIZERS)
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just got a 901 in 2 days ago, but can't get it to vape right - is there a break-in period or what am I doing wrong?? I have a 510, RN4081 and an L88 (use 510 mostly)...
I have tried all three models too...
The 901 is a decent piece but i much preferred the 801 perhaps because my last 901 purchase was almost a year ago. Even back when the 901 was "THE" preferred model, i did not find anything special about it. Everything was just acceptable and the batteries and attys were not durable at all.
I too, cannot understand why the 510 is so popular. Both my 510 atomisers dropped more than 50% power within 5 days of use. During the 5 days, it was really a throat hit machine. Also, the attys, despite its power, is not able to vaporise more than half of the liquid in the cart. I get a burnt smell from the atty burning the dry fiber on the top since it can't reach the juice below. Batteries do not last more than an hour. Perhaps its popularity is due to this model having the most complete accessories.
The M401 and 402 remains my favourite as it is an all rounder. A special mention to the M201 as well since it seems that it is finally getting some recognition after all this while. The attys are the most reliable i've used so far and battery life tops all other models. Its true that the carts are smaller but they don't pose any problems for me as i do not feel that they are that difficult to top off. They also have a much better design.
Just my personal opinion...
The 901 is a decent piece but i much preferred the 801 perhaps because my last 901 purchase was almost a year ago. Even back when the 901 was "THE" preferred model, i did not find anything special about it. Everything was just acceptable and the batteries and attys were not durable at all.
I too, cannot understand why the 510 is so popular. Both my 510 atomisers dropped more than 50% power within 5 days of use. During the 5 days, it was really a throat hit machine. Also, the attys, despite its power, is not able to vaporise more than half of the liquid in the cart. I get a burnt smell from the atty burning the dry fiber on the top since it can't reach the juice below. Batteries do not last more than an hour. Perhaps its popularity is due to this model having the most complete accessories.
The M401 and 402 remains my favourite as it is an all rounder. A special mention to the M201 as well since it seems that it is finally getting some recognition after all this while. The attys are the most reliable i've used so far and battery life tops all other models. Its true that the carts are smaller but they don't pose any problems for me as i do not feel that they are that difficult to top off. They also have a much better design.
Just my personal opinion...
i look forward to trying the m401, and i hope to eventually get around to acquiring the m201. if and when i get a mod (i'm leaning towards puresmoker's line, including the pt and the protege) i'll try them out.
as for the discussion, i was thinking 901, 510, and 410 atties using a good power source at 3.7 volts consistently. my 801 was a champ when i used my usb/battery pt.
there's a learning curve for the 901 when you're using the standard battery. or you could've gotten a faulty attie.
I started with an N-Pro or 4081 in April. I like the atty a lot, has very good taste but the carts are kind of a pain. They are worth the effort on a mod and the original cart material holds as much as a 510, or at least vapes as much.
I got a Janty stick and liked it so much that I got two more kits. The other 510's did not have the flavor that the Janty produced but are smoke monsters. I ended up with a few burnt out 510's so I ordered a couple of 401's to use the 510 attys as connectors. At first I was very disappointed with the 401 and didn't use it for a few weeks just hitting it on occasion. After finding the carts held next to nothing, after using two I decided to try dripping. Wow, I just cut off the end and threw away the cart and drip right down the middle. It is by far my favorite, no carts, plenty of vapor and flavor. I have been going at it for a while now and as I have mods for each of the attys I will say that I only carry my 401 and 4081 to work. My 510's just sit on my desk where I might take a puff or two a day.
I got a Janty stick and liked it so much that I got two more kits. The other 510's did not have the flavor that the Janty produced but are smoke monsters. I ended up with a few burnt out 510's so I ordered a couple of 401's to use the 510 attys as connectors. At first I was very disappointed with the 401 and didn't use it for a few weeks just hitting it on occasion. After finding the carts held next to nothing, after using two I decided to try dripping. Wow, I just cut off the end and threw away the cart and drip right down the middle. It is by far my favorite, no carts, plenty of vapor and flavor. I have been going at it for a while now and as I have mods for each of the attys I will say that I only carry my 401 and 4081 to work. My 510's just sit on my desk where I might take a puff or two a day.
Since you are just talking about atomizers it is a shame you left the best one out of the conversation, the 306. Exposed so it has the ease of dipping and close to the flavor of the 401, but with similar warmth vapor and throat of a 510 all on the ever present 510 thread. Poor little guy really should get more attention than it does. (cue violin music)
As a side note, I always thought 401s fell into the "supermini" category, and that's why the debate was always 901 vs 510.
As for why the 510 is The New Best Thing(c), I'd say it just fills a niche that the others don't. A 801 will give you smooth vapor (if you can deal with the leaking) and so will a 901 or 401. You're really just picking between them on size/it-looks-like-a-cig/cart volume/battery life factors. The 510 gives you hot clouds of vapor that a lot of people like, and you just don't get the juice burning like that on the others.
True. Passthroughs and PCCs can largely eliminate the problem of short battery life. That being said, unless we're restricting this to mods, battery design as a whole definitely comes into it. The unsealed manual on my 801, the lack of a manual switch for the KR808D1/E9s, the lame cutoffs on a lot of the non-510 manuals, and the terrible buttons on everything I've seen/used besides the 510 are all big reasons why I'm still happily vaping almost exclusively on one model.
As for why the 510 is The New Best Thing(c), I'd say it just fills a niche that the others don't. A 801 will give you smooth vapor (if you can deal with the leaking) and so will a 901 or 401. You're really just picking between them on size/it-looks-like-a-cig/cart volume/battery life factors. The 510 gives you hot clouds of vapor that a lot of people like, and you just don't get the juice burning like that on the others.
I hear you about the 401. I really like it. But I've had some reliabiilty problems. And I probably need more insturctions on how to top it off. I think the manual battery for the 401 will solve a lot. I also need help with keeping the two pieces of the atty together.
The 510 is not ideal. So far, it is just my savior in a sea of unreliable parts.
Dave
If we are discussing just atomizers, then based on my experience, a beginner should not even consider a DSE901 nor RN4075. Over half of the attys I ordered for it were unusable out of the box. And the others were unusable in less than a month. The 901 attys are very cheaply made parts. After researching the forum, I believe the 901 attys are suitable only for hobbyists who enjoy screwing around with them.
Dave
i figured the m401 could be put in the same mini, but i see your point.
i had no idea that the 306 is compatible with the 510!
i've actually been using a friend's 306 (the njoy model) since i was pv-less until my kr808 came in. i was very surprised at how well it vaped. if the attie had a great power source, it'd probably out-do a lot of models.
Hmmm.... The 401, I think has the better combination of vape and flavour, closely followed by the 901. While the 510 puts out a goodly cloud, I find its flavour is biased toward the harsh side - it seems to leech the flavour and almost "burn" it, whereas the 401 seems to enhance it, over the 901. The plus for the 901 and 510 is cart capacity over the 401, but the 401 is far easier to drip/dip.
401 battery life (I know, I know) seems superior to both the 901 and certainly the 510, and I understand PCCs are available for all three - I have both the 901 and 510 PCCs, and I much prefer the 901 style,(which is what the 401 style is) - purely because you thread the battery in, and can disconnect it once it's charged, so there's no "suck back" if the PCC batt is flat. It's also much more pocketable.
So, on balance, the 401 with PCC gets my vote, I think, with the 901 perhaps 1 percentage point behind.
401 battery life (I know, I know) seems superior to both the 901 and certainly the 510, and I understand PCCs are available for all three - I have both the 901 and 510 PCCs, and I much prefer the 901 style,(which is what the 401 style is) - purely because you thread the battery in, and can disconnect it once it's charged, so there's no "suck back" if the PCC batt is flat. It's also much more pocketable.
So, on balance, the 401 with PCC gets my vote, I think, with the 901 perhaps 1 percentage point behind.
11 weeks ago, I got a 901 starter kit, additional attys, juice, and batteries. I liked it and haven't had a cigarette or cigar since. After reading on this forum about the 510, I ordered a kit and accessories about 5 weeks ago. During the first two weeks I had the 510, I didn't touch the 901. About two weeks ago, I dusted off the 901 and began using it and the 510 in tandem. I've described this tandem as the Tiki Barber/Ron Dayne approach. For me, it's perfect. During the day, I alternate between the two, taking a couple of draws on one followed by a couple of draws on the other. The result is every vape is a good one and I can't say as I prefer one to the other. Using both, vapor production stays high and I'm charging batteries less.
So-o-o-o....901 vs. 510? Nope. 901 and 510? That's the proverbial ticket!
So-o-o-o....901 vs. 510? Nope. 901 and 510? That's the proverbial ticket!
I've been analog free since my Joye510 arrived in the mail, a month ago. I know I'm fairly new into the vaping world however, I've found that the flavor I get out of my 510 is completely dependent on the type of e-liquid I'm using. The redbull flavoring that I've been using most recently is such a strong flavor that I couldn't imagine needing anything PV in order to spruce it up. I'm impressed with the multitude of upgrades that are out there for PV's however, I like to stay happy at minimum costs. Right now I'm just fine with puffing from my out-of-the box copper joye510(purple LED) with my purple PCC...this may be off topic, but I was wondering if anyone new where on the forum I could find information regarding the pin-hole cartridge venting solution? I'm thinking about trying the Pyramid Tea Bag solution, as well. I'm so glad I successfully made the switch from analog smokes to vaping! I can breathe and taste again!
It really does. I am a little biased because I am so partial to dipping, but right now the 306 on a protege is rocking. Hopefully sometime tomorrow (knock on wood and say a little prayer to the patron saint of the USPS) I will be able to say the same thing about the 306 and the Super T. I haven't tried it but I have heard that it gets too hot at higher voltages though and I believe it because it heats up pretty good at 3.7.
Not to be a stickler but remember we are concentrating on the atomizers in this conversation not the overall best E-Cig, there are 100000 thread with that topic on this forum.
I was unaware that the 306 was compatible with the 401 either, hmm that could be worth looking into even though I am totally satisfied with my m401/Dragon. I always feel compelled to enter that /Dragon part because I believe that Truesmoker has done something to increase the performance of the m401 they have branded and are selling.
I find it hard to believe someone had to "break in" a 401 atomizer though, I have never heard of anyone having a problem or issue with a new 401 tasting like crap or not producing nice vapor right out of the box. Don't mean that it can't happen it's just the first I have ever heard of it especially in light of how often you hear it discussed with the 510.
Maybe I missed it in the first post and it wasn't included in the list of atomizers being discussed but I am surprised we have not heard from the cartomizer crowd with their views on the atomizers in the different cartomizers like the red dragon and vaporking among others.
I was unaware that the 306 was compatible with the 401 either, hmm that could be worth looking into even though I am totally satisfied with my m401/Dragon. I always feel compelled to enter that /Dragon part because I believe that Truesmoker has done something to increase the performance of the m401 they have branded and are selling.
I find it hard to believe someone had to "break in" a 401 atomizer though, I have never heard of anyone having a problem or issue with a new 401 tasting like crap or not producing nice vapor right out of the box. Don't mean that it can't happen it's just the first I have ever heard of it especially in light of how often you hear it discussed with the 510.
Maybe I missed it in the first post and it wasn't included in the list of atomizers being discussed but I am surprised we have not heard from the cartomizer crowd with their views on the atomizers in the different cartomizers like the red dragon and vaporking among others.
Snarky, the 306 is compatible with the 510 not the 401. I was a big 401 fan and switched to the 306 for the exposed atomizer and manual battery combination before 401 manuals were available. I have now used the 401 on a manual (the manuals from EastMall are really nice BTW and are supposed to have more mah. They certainly have great battery life but 401 in general always did) and I remember what I liked about the 401 originally. Unfortunately, the 510 thread became a standard on the big battery models and that will keep me on the 306 (I think I like it a little better than the 401 anyway).
Also, to pipe in about the cartomizers. I never liked carts and even though cartomizers are much much better carts, they still feel like carts to me. Mine have pretty much become road trip stand-bys.
Also, to pipe in about the cartomizers. I never liked carts and even though cartomizers are much much better carts, they still feel like carts to me. Mine have pretty much become road trip stand-bys.
Sorry for going off topic about batteries here but I just want to interject a quick question.
When you guys say "3 hours of battery" what exactly does that mean? 3 hours of button holding time? Or is that 3 hours from the first hit its dead? Or is just like 3 hours of constant vaping......
And do you guys really just vape for hours straight? I mean even when I smoke cigs I didnt just "chain smoke" that seems excessive...
When you guys say "3 hours of battery" what exactly does that mean? 3 hours of button holding time? Or is that 3 hours from the first hit its dead? Or is just like 3 hours of constant vaping......
And do you guys really just vape for hours straight? I mean even when I smoke cigs I didnt just "chain smoke" that seems excessive...
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