look @ the nicotine patch its absorbed through the body .. i knew a not to make fun of him dum a$^ that licked a patch once because it fell off and made him real sick.. why not just find a high nic ejuice already made and cut it even if its 60mg ejuice.with a syringe and longsleeve and rubber gloves , using a syringe you can easy cut that in half .do not mess with 99% pure unless your wearing hazmat suit thats no joke
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I'm convinced now that all some of these folks who are itching to get their hands on nicotine hear when being warned is, "Bla bla bla bla bla..."
A liter bottle of nicotine is half-filled. What mass of nicotine is present in the headspace of the bottle, assume the temperature is 20°C and the headspace is at equilibrium.
What? You don't know? Then leave the stuff the f&#$ alone.
Oh sorry, I mean bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.
A liter bottle of nicotine is half-filled. What mass of nicotine is present in the headspace of the bottle, assume the temperature is 20°C and the headspace is at equilibrium.
What? You don't know? Then leave the stuff the f&#$ alone.
Oh sorry, I mean bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.
they are now selling it in other concintreates any where from 3.6% to99% i contacted them and they said they do have it in 3.6 % thats 36 mg for the ecig 1kg of 36mg is 104 with shipping to usa but i dont know how clean the stuff is
My first really appropriate use of my new toy! Threads regarding the purchase of "99%", or "pure" or ... are simply
Walk away people, just walk away. Do folks not actually read entire threads? Just jump in at the end of 'em?
DO NOT ORDER. Your life will be in danger. I work with Hazmat at my work and I'm very cautious. One time there was a small hazmat spill at my work and the whole one million square foot building was shut down for over two hours until the fire department gave the all clear. Buy from suppliers that you trust and leave this stuff alone please.
The most scary part of that website is that it says what it should be used for on the product description. It says that it is used for Ecigar, and ecigarette. It should say "Do not vape this in it's pure and deadly form of 99% or even 50% or higher"
The most scary part of that website is that it says what it should be used for on the product description. It says that it is used for Ecigar, and ecigarette. It should say "Do not vape this in it's pure and deadly form of 99% or even 50% or higher"
I think ou made a typo there. Did you mean 5% rather than 50%? (5% would equate to approx 50mg/ml liquid)
Well good thing they send it safety and fasty. I hate it when things are sent dangery and slowy.
Seriously, there are things to think about with this, taking it from Adam who owns VT Vapor and makes the stuff up from 99% pure nic himself. Nic STINKS in pure form. You will likely need to think about pH and acidifying it slightly. He uses citric acid, but I don't know the amount.
You have to think about storage of it, if you don't intend to make many gallons of juice right away. Pure nic will eat some plastics, is hygroscopic, and with contact with O2 will oxidize readily.
I am a chemist of 25 years, and I would be very reluctant to work with pure nic. That said, it is totally possible to buy pure pharm-grade nic here in the US. Most chemical houses will sell it to anyone. It might be more expensive, but you can be sure it is pure nic. Domestic shipping should be cheaper too.
My guess is whatever you pay for pure nic, it will be a fraction of the total costs to make juice. Magnetic stirrers, diluting glassware, protection outfits, possibly heating plates. And most importantly: do you have experience with handling extreme poisons in difficult to work with solid form? Like I said, I am very experienced with nasty chemical, and I would not want to do it. People that make juice from pure nic MUST really know what they are doing.
Just my 0.02.
Hey Kurt! As a chemist, and also discussing the pH levels/citric acid, have you seen this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2-any-interest-determining-nicotine-dvap.html
It is long and ongoing, but it may be of interest to you.
Hey Kurt! As a chemist, and also discussing the pH levels/citric acid, have you seen this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2-any-interest-determining-nicotine-dvap.html
It is long and ongoing, but it may be of interest to you.
Hey Angela,
I did look at it, and it is essentially a weak base titration to a blue indicator end point. Pretty straight forward. It is geared for people at home, which is cool, but I generally do these in the lab with burets, pipets and/or a pH meter. I haven't done it yet, but I might in the future when I get some time. I prefer a pH meter because using an indicator can give inaccurate results, but his method would be pretty close to accurate, as long as it was done correctly of course. Titrations are never easy at first, but then I am only considering freshman who don't care about their results as much as most here.
Kurt, I have 22 years myself, currently working with PCB's and 2378-substituted dioxins/furans which are plenty nasty, and I won't mess with the pure nicotine either. At least I wouldn't without a full set of engineering controls in place that surely don't exist in people's homes (and a range hood is NOT the same thing as a fume hood.. lol)
Truly pure nicotine is clear.. the closest I've handled is 50% in PG testing for a supplier recently.. it was clear.. a thing of beauty. I suspect most Chinese firms who offer to export it will provide a yellow/brown liquid that likely contains the whole spread of tobacco alkaloids along with nicotine and God only knows what else. Would consider it "industrial grade".
Agree on preference of pH meter, the endpoint inflection is hard to miss. lol.. pretty close? Them's fightin' words!
My choice of BTB was no accident, it gives dead accurate results for nicotine plus the intermediate green as a warning. I use a burette, class A, but I tried to give consideration to those who might want to ghetto it by suggesting the less accurate dripping into a graduate.
8-o I am NOT a chemist, but as a biologist and environmental scientist, I've had plenty of chemistry training and I'm simply aghast that ANYONE would even Consider handling high purity Nicotine outside of a properly equiped lab, by fully trained personnel!
IF someone feels compelled to try this, all I can say is "Please first will me all your possessions"; because I Know I will be getting them very soon if you do try...
CSteve
IF someone feels compelled to try this, all I can say is "Please first will me all your possessions"; because I Know I will be getting them very soon if you do try...
CSteve
Kurt, I have 22 years myself, currently working with PCB's and 2378-substituted dioxins/furans which are plenty nasty, and I won't mess with the pure nicotine either. At least I wouldn't without a full set of engineering controls in place that surely don't exist in people's homes (and a range hood is NOT the same thing as a fume hood.. lol)
Truly pure nicotine is clear.. the closest I've handled is 50% in PG testing for a supplier recently.. it was clear.. a thing of beauty. I suspect most Chinese firms who offer to export it will provide a yellow/brown liquid that likely contains the whole spread of tobacco alkaloids along with nicotine and God only knows what else. Would consider it "industrial grade".
Agree on preference of pH meter, the endpoint inflection is hard to miss. lol.. pretty close? Them's fightin' words!
Oops, respect, dude! You are clearly more knowledgeable about indicators than I am, and I've worked with them a lot! Have you tested TW 36 yet? Word has it the conc is actually 18 mg, not 36...(GC-MS says 1.8% on there site). How very refreshing that there is yet another chemist here!
Well, folks, there you have it. Two veteran chemists who both say they wouldn't work with pure nic. And you, Dvap, work with some serious nasties! On the other hand, when the idiots proudly receive their Darwin Awards, there will be less in competition for the remaining liquid, should a ban be imminent.
I gave honest information about nic in the US, but I'm now regretting it. Why? Because it occurs to me that anyone asking about where to get pure nic hasn't the foggiest idea of any of the chemical dangers. Have you calculated the vapor pressure problem asked earlier? Here why it was asked. Pure nicotine is STINKY. Why is that important? Because it volatilizes pretty easily, and if your area is not well vented, you will become really fuzzy-headed. Now you are stoned, and ooopsie! You got a tiny little fleck on you. Just a fleck. But now you are vomiting uncontrollably, your muscles are locking up in painful spasms, your heart is going to rip out of your chest, you are sweating like a pig, and you can't move to call 911. That goes on for a while until you have a heart attack, or three, and finally die.
Please do not ask about where to get pure nicotine, and god forbid how to work with it, here again. The very question shows your cards, and they are not aces. The FDA no doubt trolls this place, and why shouldn't they? This is the largest most popular ecig forum there is. They see that we are teaching ...... how to work with pure nicotine, and it is in print, and you can kiss it all goodbye. It is all they need.
In fact, turning on the A$$HOLE switch, if anyone does ask again, I personally will recommend that they be banned. They are either fatally stupid, seriously uneducated (how in the blazes can you not know about pure nic?!? and be a member HERE???), a troll trying get people to give insane advice to strangers, or just the last gasp of a failed genetic line. Whichever, I will not let you put my own vaping in danger.
Switch off.
Now go to your room. You are grounded. No vaping until you've read everything on nicotine toxicity here. You want nicotine? Eat an analog.Oops, respect, dude! You are clearly more knowledgeable about indicators than I am, and I've worked with them a lot! Have you tested TW 36 yet? Word has it the conc is actually 18 mg, not 36...(GC-MS says 1.8% on there site). How very refreshing that there is yet another chemist here!
Well, folks, there you have it. Two veteran chemists who both say they wouldn't work with pure nic. And you, Dvap, work with some serious nasties! On the other hand, when the idiots proudly receive their Darwin Awards, there will be less in competition for the remaining liquid, should a ban be imminent.
I gave honest information about nic in the US, but I'm now regretting it. Why? Because it occurs to me that anyone asking about where to get pure nic hasn't the foggiest idea of any of the chemical dangers. Have you calculated the vapor pressure problem asked earlier? Here why it was asked. Pure nicotine is STINKY. Why is that important? Because it volatilizes pretty easily, and if your area is not well vented, you will become really fuzzy-headed. Now you are stoned, and ooopsie! You got a tiny little fleck on you. Just a fleck. But now you are vomiting uncontrollably, your muscles are locking up in painful spasms, your heart is going to rip out of your chest, you are sweating like a pig, and you can't move to call 911. That goes on for a while until you have a heart attack, or three, and finally die.
Please do not ask about where to get pure nicotine, and god forbid how to work with it, here again. The very question shows your cards, and they are not aces. The FDA no doubt trolls this place, and why shouldn't they? This is the largest most popular ecig forum there is. They see that we are teaching ...... how to work with pure nicotine, and it is in print, and you can kiss it all goodbye. It is all they need.
In fact, turning on the A$$HOLE switch, if anyone does ask again, I personally will recommend that they be banned. They are either fatally stupid, seriously uneducated (how in the blazes can you not know about pure nic?!? and be a member HERE???), a troll trying get people to give insane advice to strangers, or just the last gasp of a failed genetic line. Whichever, I will not let you put my own vaping in danger.
Switch off.
Funny you should ask about the TW 36 mg. The lab they used was pretty bad, IMO, so that number is probably less than reliable. I did blow the whistle to them on their red label supplier, 36 mg at 29 mg.. big problems. Then Exogenesis corroborated my results and further found that the 24 and 36 mg were both essentially 29 mg.. the gory details are here.
DVap, I'm reading it now. You guys sure have some sexy curves! Really excellent job, both you and Exo. I have some TW 36 and 54, but mostly VT Vapor 35mg in VG (very good). Honestly at this point relatively early on in my vaping, I don't know if I could tell 36 mg from 29 mg. Maybe. The TW is peppery, but the VT is not, but I get about the same effect from both in all the other ways. Of course it comes down to what did we pay for? I got my TW around a month ago. Hopefully they fixed the problem before then. Or maybe that is why there are those 20 and 30% off sales around then.
I was checking out your blog too, namely the issue of absorption vs strength. Another important problem to solve. I wonder if absorption is dependent on PG vs VG, which may be related to peppery vcs not so peppery. But I digress...
Thanks for being so actively chemistry oriented here! After all, with vaping, its ALL chemistry! Will have to pick up on this further tomorrow. Too many nic-laden late nights working this week. Must say nic and work sure do like each other, at least for computer related stuff. BTW, I am these days a theoretical chemist. I do quantum calculations studying how light interacts with DNA. I teach wet chemistry, but spend most of my time exploring wave functions and potential energy surfaces. Lots of programming and math, and nic really works for it. Gotten about 3x the work done since I started vaping as before when I was smoking, and thinking that of course I have to keep smoking...how else will I get my work done?? Funny, life.
Cheers!
Kurt
Really excellent job, both you and Exo. I have some TW 36 and 54, but mostly VT Vapor 35mg in VG (very good). Honestly at this point relatively early on in my vaping, I don't know if I could tell 36 mg from 29 mg. Maybe. The TW is peppery, but the VT is not, but I get about the same effect from both in all the other ways. Of course it comes down to what did we pay for? I got my TW around a month ago. Hopefully they fixed the problem before then. Or maybe that is why there are those 20 and 30% off sales around then. I was checking out your blog too, namely the issue of absorption vs strength. Another important problem to solve. I wonder if absorption is dependent on PG vs VG, which may be related to peppery vcs not so peppery. But I digress...
Thanks for being so actively chemistry oriented here! After all, with vaping, its ALL chemistry! Will have to pick up on this further tomorrow. Too many nic-laden late nights working this week. Must say nic and work sure do like each other, at least for computer related stuff. BTW, I am these days a theoretical chemist. I do quantum calculations studying how light interacts with DNA. I teach wet chemistry, but spend most of my time exploring wave functions and potential energy surfaces. Lots of programming and math, and nic really works for it. Gotten about 3x the work done since I started vaping as before when I was smoking, and thinking that of course I have to keep smoking...how else will I get my work done?? Funny, life.
Cheers!
Kurt
DVap's Law of Natural Selection:
"When contemplating the handling of pure nicotine, the desire to do so
is inversely proportional to one's ability to handle it safely."
"When contemplating the handling of pure nicotine, the desire to do so
is inversely proportional to one's ability to handle it safely."
I like it so much, it's my sig.
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0.18mg. Not that much.
But I agree with the other posters, walk away from this. Think about how the DHS would react to a guy having 20,000 lethal doses of a chemical that is readily absorbed through the skin in his garage. Can anyone say "chemical weapon"?
I wonder how much shipping would be on an item like this. I imagine shipping plutonium would be cheaper.
I don't know what planet you live on, but most chemical suppliers would ignore you at best and report you to the DHS at worst for asking.
As for working with the pure stuff: I'd feel comfortable doing so in gram scales without any overly fancy protective equiptment, but a bottle of this size is just plain scary.
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