A bit annoyed: vaping indoors all of a sudden upset ONE coworker

[YoursTruli]

Personally I think if parents handled things differently we wouldn't have all these entitled folks in all walks of life.

Did I mention I find the term douche offensive just a few posts up.

I think the total disconnect most people feel from each other (due the technical age) has a lot to do with how people act and respond to each other these days perhaps more than how they were raised...

Honestly I agree with you on finding the term offensive, especially when you feel like you have done nothing to deserve that label. The first time I heard it over a year (Conan O'brien on the tonight show) I was seriously taken aback by it, but, that was definitely not the last time and these days it seems an all too common sentiment towards vaping and vapers.

It hit home for me personally around Christmas time when my (adult) son's friend came with him to visit at my house. I asked my son why he quit vaping (I was offering better gear to him) his friend said because he is not a ........., OH but it was ok for me to do it because I use it to quit smoking and don't go around doing it everywhere, blah blah blah.... well, now I know why my son stopped and sadly went back to smoking and refuses to vape.

 

[braveminion]

I think the total disconnect most people feel from each other (due the technical age) has a lot to do with how people act and respond to each other these days perhaps more than how they were raised...

Honestly I agree with you on finding the term offensive, especially when you feel like you have done nothing to deserve that label. The first time I heard it over a year (Conan O'brien on the tonight show) I was seriously taken aback by it, but, that was definitely not the last time and these days it seems an all too common sentiment towards vaping and vapers.

It hit home for me personally around Christmas time when my (adult) son's friend came with him to visit at my house. I asked my son why he quit vaping (I was offering better gear to him) his friend said because he is not a ........., OH but it was ok for me to do it because I use it to quit smoking and don't go around doing it everywhere, blah blah blah.... well, now I know why my son stopped and sadly went back to smoking and refuses to vape.

That's really sad.

People these days are just stupid as a general rule. I smoked for 18 years and now look at smokers and think ' don't you know there is a better way?' I'm surprised anyone would discourage someone from vaping given the well known dangers of analogues. Power to the vapers

I'm really glad I do the vast majority of my vaping at home. Online is about the only place I come up against attitudes like this.


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[choochoogranny]

Unfortunately, YoursTruli, I found my own children until they were well into their 30-40's were more influenced by their "know-nothing" peers rather than going through their own research efforts which really, really angered me. They could have avoided so much heart break, embarrassment and expense. Now that there is information readily available there is no excuse .......It always amazed me how they thought their friend/s knew any better than they did about ANYthing.

 

[pluviose]

Tell that same thing to mainstream news. I highly doubt they will listen. Vaping produces vapor which is seen as smoke by thousands and thousands, that's why I won't vape where there's "No Smoking" signs. I don't want to be the possible cause for even harsher regulations.

What you're advocating is pandering to ignorance, delusions and irrationality.
That is precisely what the mainstream media is working on diligently: normalising the abnormal and criminalising sanity, rationality and common sense as 'offensive', 'disrespective', 'insensitive', etc. . The result is that the 'western' world is gradually turning into a totalitarian dystopia, by slow encroachment. Soon there will be only *safe spaces* and no-go zones, with no room left for normal people - just look what's happened to your next-door neighbour country, Lova.
It's attitudes like yours which are the real danger to society, in the long term.

 

[pluviose]

I like to know what the hell black slaves comes to play here in this post unbelievable

Try looking up the definition of 'analogy' in a dictionary, perhaps?
Hope this helps, lefty.

 

[Lova]

What you're advocating is pandering to ignorance, delusions and irrationality.
That is precisely what the mainstream media is working on diligently: normalising the abnormal and criminalising sanity, rationality and common sense as 'offensive', 'disrespective', 'insensitive', etc. . The result is that the 'western' world is gradually turning into a totalitarian dystopia, by slow encroachment. Soon there will be only *safe spaces* and no-go zones, with no room left for normal people - just look what's happened to your next-door neighbour country, Lova.
It's attitudes like yours which are the real danger to society, in the long term.

Extremely opinionated post about things that might piss people off easily, read with an open mind:

Ever heard of a small thing called Media Negativity? No? Well, small things others might concider "nonsense", like vaping in a store as an example, are specifically the things media wants to grab on to. Ever watched the news? Dozens and dozens of mindless studies about dangers of vaping quoted time after time even with hundreds of vapers correcting them. And why is that, you might ask? Well, due to medias' ability to sniff out everything that brings them more and more money, and what corporations benefit from said dozens and dozens of articles about how dangerous vaping is? That's right, tobacco manufacturing and nicotine replacement medication manufacturing.

Why else would vaping slowly get banned and/or regulates extremely harshly all over the globe, if not for big tobacco and big pharma shelling out millions and millions of dollars/euros/whatever curreny you might want to add here for lobbyists, whose job is to bring media knowledge to the faulty studies and bring them to everyones eyes to see. Media and news don't gove a crap what they post, unless it brings in views and money, and what route would be the best? To advocate for why vaping is healthy and better route and gain little to no cashflow or post news with little to no truth behind them and rack in hundreds and hundreds of views and huge cashflow to the news' owners pockets?

Sorry to say, I'm gonna stand by my words and believe in what I've said, be it delusional or not. I don't want to create situations, in which media and BP/BT lobbyists get more weaponry to fight against vaping.

Also, I'm gonna drop the cat out of the bag: Things I find extremely weird or even inappropriate might be the norm over there in the states, but feel free to try to do those things over here in Finland, and I will guarantee that eventually you will get either get fined by police or beaten up by others who think it's inappropriate to do those things that might be everyday things over the ocean. Also, longer and longer I watch how things are done in USA, the more and more I wonder: "How idiotic the whole system and people there are." Not as an offense to you or anyone other reading this, but I find it extremely ridiculous to see news articles of someone being able to sue a coffee shop for the said person spilling hot coffee on themselves and winning the whole case and getting several million as compensation. This is the reason I find it extremely odd to not find many others concidering this whole situation extremely weird and unnecessary, like common sense is diminishing slowly but surely.

This post isn't to offend anyone specific on this forum, but if you happen to get extremely ...... off or something close to that, feel free to approach me by sending me a private message.

 

[leftyandsparky]

Try looking up the definition of 'analogy' in a dictionary, perhaps?
Hope this helps, lefty.

Ok frist you don't need to get mean with me, the whole thread was about a coworker complaining and the op was venting then it went political you know what just have a wonderful night

 

[pluviose]

Skoony, there seems to be a lot of "drama queens .....and kings" in this age. Maybe it's the only way they can get noticed or pull a "power trip". .......Such prissy people.

Absolutely.
A pretty good term coined for them is "crybully".

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

I asked my son why he quit vaping (I was offering better gear to him) his friend said because he is not a ........., OH but it was ok for me to do it because I use it to quit smoking and don't go around doing it everywhere, blah blah blah...

Wow that is horrible, a smoker sent me a meme the other day with someone vaping and it said douche flute, sent him a pic of my mod and he was like okay that's pretty neat...

I'd rather play the douche flute than stuff my face with idiot sticks any day... But that's pretty easy for me to say, I've never cared much about what other people think of me...

meh maybe I'll make a counter meme tomorrow only 10:30pm and I'm tired as hill...

 

[braveminion]

Ok frist you don't need to get mean with me, the whole thread was about a coworker complaining and the op was venting then it went political you know what just have a wonderful night

I really didn't mean to get political and I sincerely apologise for any offence caused. I just meant it as an example of something that the widespread public opinion about was wrong.

Sorry again.


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[Woofer]

here in Finland, and I will guarantee that eventually you will get either get fined by police or beaten up by others who think it's inappropriate

How inappropriate. Possible but unlikely in Canada.

 

[pluviose]

Ok frist you don't need to get mean with me, the whole thread was about a coworker complaining and the op was venting then it went political you know what just have a wonderful night

In case if you think i got "mean" with you - i was mirroring your tone. The thread went political long before that (BTW apt and self-explanatory) analogy turned up, yet you picked on that post alone - and in an accusatory, indignant fashion, as if you took offence on behalf of all black slaves of yore.

And why the thread turned political - sadly, the behaviour discussed is endemic, as others pointed out too. It's everywhere you look. Self-victimisation as a power-trip.

 

[pluviose]

Extremely opinionated post about things that might piss people off easily, read with an open mind:

Ever heard of a small thing called Media Negativity? No? Well, small things others might concider "nonsense", like vaping in a store as an example, are specifically the things media wants to grab on to. Ever watched the news? Dozens and dozens of mindless studies about dangers of vaping quoted time after time even with hundreds of vapers correcting them. And why is that, you might ask? Well, due to medias' ability to sniff out everything that brings them more and more money, and what corporations benefit from said dozens and dozens of articles about how dangerous vaping is? That's right, tobacco manufacturing and nicotine replacement medication manufacturing.

Why else would vaping slowly get banned and/or regulates extremely harshly all over the globe, if not for big tobacco and big pharma shelling out millions and millions of dollars/euros/whatever curreny you might want to add here for lobbyists, whose job is to bring media knowledge to the faulty studies and bring them to everyones eyes to see. Media and news don't gove a crap what they post, unless it brings in views and money, and what route would be the best? To advocate for why vaping is healthy and better route and gain little to no cashflow or post news with little to no truth behind them and rack in hundreds and hundreds of views and huge cashflow to the news' owners pockets?

Sorry to say, I'm gonna stand by my words and believe in what I've said, be it delusional or not. I don't want to create situations, in which media and BP/BT lobbyists get more weaponry to fight against vaping.

Also, I'm gonna drop the cat out of the bag: Things I find extremely weird or even inappropriate might be the norm over there in the states, but feel free to try to do those things over here in Finland, and I will guarantee that eventually you will get either get fined by police or beaten up by others who think it's inappropriate to do those things that might be everyday things over the ocean. Also, longer and longer I watch how things are done in USA, the more and more I wonder: "How idiotic the whole system and people there are." Not as an offense to you or anyone other reading this, but I find it extremely ridiculous to see news articles of someone being able to sue a coffee shop for the said person spilling hot coffee on themselves and winning the whole case and getting several million as compensation. This is the reason I find it extremely odd to not find many others concidering this whole situation extremely weird and unnecessary, like common sense is diminishing slowly but surely.

This post isn't to offend anyone specific on this forum, but if you happen to get extremely ...... off or something close to that, feel free to approach me by sending me a private message.

Of course i know (don't we all??) the big pharma / big tobacco puppetmastering it all. That was never the point of the debate.
The point of the debate is, at least as i see it, that how we "the people" handle our civic affairs. Many of us do not use the *mainstream media* even as kitty litter anymore, let alone as a remotely credible source of information. And that number is growing by the minute.

I'm not even as far as in the US&A by the way, but a lot nearer. People are getting increasingly ...... off by being taken for idiots.


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On the note of 'appropriateness' - societal consensus is cultural construct, thus not always rational. Say, many 'social taboos' have a perfectly rational root - like smoking in an enclosed place, farting in the elevator, spraying lysol in the office, etc. - those can be quantifiably, materially, physically offensive to the senses. Then there are those harmless offenses (like belching, burping, public nudity etc.) which are merely "in the mind", so to speak. Then there are those which may be regarded as 'eccentricities' at most, for not having yet an established cultural context. Vaping would be in this third category (unless the smell is strong enough of course to qualify for the first - which it usually isn't).
"Vaping etiquette" (apart from the obvious exception around allergics) should be along the same common-sense lines as switching off phones in a theatre, not chewing gum in church, not wearing a tank top in the State of Vatican etc.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

As I read this thread what I see is the clash of two different mindsets: libertarian vs socialism.

One is concerned with personal rights and the other is all about group think.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Glad to see you found what you were looking for in a small snippet of my comments

I still suggest you to read my comments thoroughly and completely through to see my point. Over here if you vape somewhere where smoking isn't allowed, you will get kicked out and possibly be banned for life from wherever you were vaping, which is why I don't understand why people keep on saying it's their priviledge to vape where it doesn't have a sign "No Vaping" but does have a "No smoking" sign.

That's why I'm inviting everyone who thinks they are allowed to vape wherever they want to try and do that here in Finland without asking for explicit permission, as you _will_ get kicked out of the establishment you are vaping in, at which point I will be more than glad to laugh at the stupidity of the whole argument: "There's no "No vaping"-sign, but there are only "No smoking"-signs, so I'm allowed to vape here".

Vaping in different places where before there were only "No smoking" signs is why there are loads and loads of "No vaping" signs already posted on different establishments, as some ......... blew huge clouds inside them.

But do whatever you wish, just don't start complaining if you are thrown out of somewhere due to vaping where smoking isn't allowed.

Lots of blather about personal experience but this experience isn't shared across City, County, State, Country, Continent.

I vape in places INDOORS in Illinois, where smoking is banned indoors, and I have been allowed by the bar/grill/restaurant owner and manger.

Enough. It's all personal preference what you do. Don't try to impose it on people more than 7,000 kilometers away.

 

[Lova]

Lots of blather about personal experience but this experience isn't shared across City, County, State, Country, Continent.

I vape in places INDOORS in Illinois, where smoking is banned indoors, and I have been allowed by the bar/grill/restaurant owner and manger.

Enough. It's all personal preference what you do. Don't try to impose it on people more than 7,000 kilometers away.

Yup, but missed my point. I'm more than okay with people asking for permission, but I do not understand people just doing things without any permission and possibly rant about it later on on social media. But over and out, everyone's free to do whatever they want and I'm gonna move on to other threads about other things and not rant about this issue anymore.

 

[pluviose]

and it said douche flute, sent him a pic of my mod and he was like okay that's pretty neat...

Please let be a double entendre in there...

(That was a solicited mod pic, right?)

 

[pluviose]

As I read this thread what I see is the clash of two different mindsets: libertarian vs socialism.

One is concerned with personal rights and the other is all about group think.

Bingo.

As someone who had the misfortune of growing up behind the iron curtain, I know too well what hell the latter entails.

 

[YoursTruli]

Wow that is horrible, a smoker sent me a meme the other day with someone vaping and it said douche flute, sent him a pic of my mod and he was like okay that's pretty neat...

I'd rather play the douche flute than stuff my face with idiot sticks any day... But that's pretty easy for me to say, I've never cared much about what other people think of me...

meh maybe I'll make a counter meme tomorrow only 10:30pm and I'm tired as hill...

I wish my son did not care but I think it's hard when it is coming from your peers and he is a bit socially shy and hates that kind of attention so I can understand it. It's funny you mention that meme because his wife (who also stopped vaping) said her co-worker called them that. I hate the fact the mainstream opinion of vaping has taken the turn it seems to be taking, I remember when it was just a way to quit smoking not too long ago and no one thought much of it...

 

[Deadbydawn]

There's always one ... wipe who will ..... and complain. .... em