A bit of a Rant and an Observation (People first, not Products!)

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Robino1

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Love your new avatar Robino1. You both look so happy. And one again I tip my hat to all the Ladies and Gentlemen in the room.
(The Army thread got so big I lost the ability to keep focused and still maintain my sanity. LOL.)
Cheers my Lady.:toast:

Robin's Avatar is always awesome looking


...if it's a pic with her in it!

Awwww shucks....

Thanks :blush:
 

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Thanks for the replies. Here is another thing that I find disturbing. If we as vapers are so "people focused" how come only a handful of members took a minute to say thank you to the 2 people responsible for making electronic cigarettes a reality? The two people I am talking about are Mr. Gilbert and Mr. Lik. Here are the threads again:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...453599-honor-mr-hon-lik-thank-you-thread.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...453616-honor-mr-gilbert-thank-you-thread.html

If a man creates or invents a device which may well be responsible for saving our lives, should we not honor them in some way? Is saying thank you too much?

There are thousands of members here but only a handful have anything to say?

Is it apathy? Is it ignorance (people not knowing who they are)? Are we too busy with other topics, toys, and gadgets? Do people think it is "corny"? These men are very much the fathers of modern vaping, should we not show our respect in some way?

The lack of responses to these threads reinforced for me my opening question and observation about where our priorities seem to be. And as God is my witness, I tell you truly, it makes me feel ashamed to be a vaper.

So, did you thank the guy that invented the 3 section garbage truck that makes recycling easier ?
Did you thank the person that invented your vacuum cleaner ?
Did you thank the person that invented the electric washing machines and clothes dryers ?
Did you thank the person that wrote/financed/put together the deal that created the last good movie you watched ?
Did you personally go thank the chef and restaurant owner for the last restaurant meal you had ?
Did you thank the person who invented fire resistant/proof carpeting ?
Did you thank the person who filled your last gear/juice order?

The list is just endless, and your pity party because few people saw any reason to thank someone on your posts that would never even see the posts is so totally selfish and self involved ... :(

If you are so people involved please do all of the above and for every other thing that makes your life decent. Then get back to us ok.
 

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Eh, there's nothing wrong with thanking people whether they read it or not.

But using the idea as a large hammer to bludgeon other people over the head with is in really bad taste, Arnie.

As for gratitude in general, it's a good thing to practice, every day, for all the things that happen to us, both good and bad. Yes, I am even grateful for failures and bad stuff because I learned the most from those experiences.

I think the only thing that upsets me on forums is name-calling. When I see members calling each other ...... or idiots. I was watching House M.D. re-runs, and one of the patients said:

"It is not cowardly to NOT call somebody an idiot. People aren't tactful and polite just because it's nice. They do it because they have an ounce of humility........because they know they, too, will make mistakes. And there will be consequences, and that will be their fault. "

This is what it is to be human.

Arnie obviously wants people to be better, he just chooses a self-righteous way of expressing that, and I guess we really all have a lot of work to do on our own selves......so it feels uncomfortable when somebody holds a mirror up to us and points out all the ways we could be better. Most of us are already aware of this, as well as aware of our deficits (most :lol:) Most of us do get up every day with the idea of improving, or we wouldn't be quitting analogs.

For all practical purposes there is a lot more good taking place here than bad though. But I feel that way about the whole world anyway. :)
 

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Here is my personal experience with this topic. When my husband and I first started vaping, he dove head first into it all. Jumping on the forums every free second, spending money constantly on the next best device and waiting on the mailman like a crazy person. After a week of doing nothing but arguing I came to this conclusion. For one we are all wired differently. For some (like me) simplicity works for them. For others obsessing about the technical side of vaping is what keeps them attracted to it. I learned through that process that because of his excitement about the products he was able to get others excited about it too. At times it does get to be too much talk about the next new thing but hey if that's what keeps these people from analogs than so be it. It is really quite simple; if you don't like what another person does than turn your head and walk away. If it is not directly affecting your personal well being then it shouldn't really matter. People are gonna do and say what they want to. We only drive ourselves crazy when we worry about the actions of others. If one doesn't like something they should change it, not talk about the changes that need to be made. Be the change!!

I'm the husband, and I have a vaping problem :D
 

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Please my friends, I am not trying to be condescending or Self-righteous.

It was with the best of intentions that I had created those 2 threads to honor Mr. Lik and Mr. Gilbert.
I thought it might be a nice thing to do, if these men were able to see several thousand personal messages of thanks from vapers all around the world. Such a thing might bring a smile to their faces or even a tear to these men's eyes, to know and to hear from so many and to have so many express their gratitude for their achievements.

But I really don't want to force anyone to do anything or have to shame people into it. This is something that came automatically for me once I learned of the history of E-cigs. It should be something that comes automatically and from ones heart. I personally believe these two men, Mr. Gilbert and especially Mr. Lik, have given me a new lease on life, and for me it would be dishonorable not to say thanks. It would be the least that I could do.

World vaping day is coming up, wouldn't it be a nice thing to deliver these messages of thanks to the widow of Mr. Gilbert, or his relatives, and to Mr. Hon Lik himself on that day? This was my hope, this was my dream. It is not a concern for myself, but a concern for these men whom I believe deserve our admiration and respect as father's or heroes of the vaping movement.
 
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