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If you really want to stay with the cigarette form factor, I'd go to KR808D-1 instead of a 510. The reason is that the 808 gear runs at higher voltage, which directly equates to more power/warmth/vapor, satisfaction for more people. The cig-like 510s have both pretty low voltage and pretty low mAh (battery capacity); the small mAh means you really do not have an option to drop to lower resistance if you do find a need for a bit more power/warmth.

Vapor4life (V4L) is a solid 808 vendor (their VaporKings are 808). Many other places also carry KR808D-1 gear. V4L often has sales -- check the PIF area Deals and Steals thread (I link to PIF in my signature).

Good luck! (I used 808 for months, before going to eGo/Riva for a few months, been using higher power PVs for over a year now)
 

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Don't get frustrated, if what your doing keeps you off the analogs then keep doing it!

There is a tendency in this forum to encourage everyone to explore new options which usually means bigger and more expensive gear, it's nice to hear someone who's happy with what they started with.

Don't fix something that ain't broke. Take care and good luck!
 

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+1 on what markfm posted.

Seems like learning the different types and models and having a number of options is not something the OP finds to be a great thing.

A vendor like V4L carries the 808. Everything has matching threads. I've never noticed that they have atomizers, just cartomizers so that means one less thing to consider.
 

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What are the drip tips for when each bottle of liquid is a dripper in itself? Looks like there's yet different types of drip tips that fit different types of e-cigs. Why would I choose a "Debridged atomizer" over any one of the other FIFTEEN options?

There's so much room for error and ordering the right parts that I see myself spending more money trying to put together an e-cig than actually smoking it. Or worse yet, ordering the wrong parts and wasting time.

I'll try to make this slightly less muddy for you.

The 510-t uses tank cartridges and a small atomizer. You fill up the tank cartridge, assemble it, and you have approx. 2ml of liquid that you can go through before it's dry. I've never held one, so I can't tell you more than that.

Now, let's separate things a little bit. The 510-t is a system, comprised of a battery, atomizer and tank cart...so, on to de-mystifying things a bit.

Cartomizer: This is what you are currently using with your blu. A standard sized carto holds approx. 1ml of liquid. Inside the cartomizer case is wiring leading up to a coil (the atomizer) which vaporizes the liquid. All around the wiring and coil is what is referred to as filler material. This filler material holds your juice, and as you vape what is in the carto new juice is pulled to the cartomizer. Abbreviated carto.

Atomizer: Remove the filler material, add a bridge with mesh on it and a wick, and you have a pretty run of the mill atomizer. Atomizers used to be used much like the 510-t setup, only with a much smaller cartridge that had some filler in it to hold liquid. Liquid capacity was very small, holding between .4 and .6ml of juice. These cartridges really aren't in use anymore, instead, people tend to drip juice right onto the bridge and it funnels down to the coil. You drip 2 - 4 drops at a time, and you get between 5 and 10 drags before you need to drip again. Most people only use atomizers to flavor test their juices before they put them into a cartomizer, or a device very similar to cartomizers which we don't even need to get into at this point. Abbreviated atty.

De-bridged atomizer: The stainless steel mesh and the bridge is removed from these atomizers. Some folks like them that way, you won't know unless you try, and I'd suggest not trying until you know whether you like a normal style atomizer or not.

Drip Tip: The name can be very misleading. Next time you see the word drip tip, change it to mouth piece in your head and you'll get an accurate representation of what a drip tip is. You can use them in atomizers and cartomizers, and the function is comfort for your lips (atomizers and cartomizers heat up if used frequently, the drip tip not so much) and getting your mouth a little bit away from the heating elements in these things so you don't have a problem with juice popping and getting in your mouth. There are different drip tips for different threading styles, so if you do pick up drip tips, make sure the number matches the threading (510, 901, 808, 306, etc.).

Battery: Can either refer to the device you attach your carto/atty to or the battery that you put inside the device if it has a removable battery. The KGO does not have a removable battery and your blu does not have a removable battery. The E-Power does have a removable battery, so I would put the E-Power in the "Mod" category, and I'll put the rest of the threading info in that category as well.

Mod: Think of it as a sleeve with a button and very likely some electronics inside that you put a battery in. When the battery is in and you push the button down, it shoots power to a connector. There are many different connector types, the two most popular being 510 and KR808d-1. The 510 battery has internal threads on the connector (female), the 808 has external threads on the connector (male). As a result, the things you screw on those threads will need to be of the opposite type, which really makes suggesting products difficult, and why research needs to be done before you even get started.

Now that that is all out there, I echo the recommendation for the KGO. It is 510 threaded, and you'll get the most flexibility out of a 510 threaded device. I recommend this kit: SLB KGO Starter Kit. It's cheaper than the Sweet Vapes kit because you get 1100mAh batteries instead of 650mAh batteries at the base price (all that means is more battery life with the bigger number). I wouldn't bother with any of the check boxes that would add to your cost. Choose the color of the battery and the color of the drip tip that you want. Even if you don't ever plan to use the drip tip, it comes with it, so you'll need to choose. On cartomizer selection, if you want warmer vapor, go with whatever color of Smoktech 1.7ohm carto you want. If you want slightly (and I mean very slight) cooler vapor, go with the Boge 2ohm carto in whatever color you want. And if you want cool vapor, go with the Boge 3ohm carto. The ohm rating measures resistance. Less resistance means more power going to the coil in the cartomizer and more heat when it comes to the vapor produced.

Now, you're going to need juice along with this and fill the cartomizers on your own, but a quick YouTube search for "how to fill a 510 cartomizer" will bring up several videos of different ways to fill them, and none of them will be wrong...some will just be more messy than others =). Try a couple different ways of filling and settle with the one that is the least annoying for you.

You can get juice right from Dark City Vapor, and I've tried a couple of their juices and was happy with them. Get some 5ml samples, 5 or 6, and get one juice that you think you'll like the best and get a 30ml bottle of it.....it really sucks needing to take a blind shot like that, but you don't want to run out before your next order when you have a better idea of what flavor(s) you like and anything tastes better than a cigarette at this point right?

Outside of that, the only recommendation I have for you is to get an atomizer. A friend of mine has the LR 306 atomizer they sell for $5.25 and it performs very well, it works with the 510 threading. You will need to order a 306 drip tip along with it if you go this route. The reason you need the atomizer is to try flavors before you put them in a cartomizer, nothing more and nothing less.

Hopefully I've given you enough info along with my recommendation to pull you away from the haze of jargon and unfamiliarity that I myself was lost in not long ago. Keep it simple is definitely a good way to go, and for a one stop shop Dark City should do well for you. I believe they have a deal on a 3 pack of sample juices that can save some bucks when you're flavor hunting, and that's really going to be the hard part once you get all the terminoligy down.

Take care and good luck to you!
 
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IMAVAPER: it's becoming more clear, that's probably the best explanation i've heard so far. the kGo looks really shnazzy and i'm tempted to pull the trigger, but I dunno how I feel about having to continuously drip more liquid in to keep it up and running. the battery is great, but if i'm out of the house for a full day I get the impression I'll be toting around a tackle box full of accessories in order to keep puffing away.

is that the point it gets to?
 

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+1 on what markfm posted.

Seems like learning the different types and models and having a number of options is not something the OP finds to be a great thing.

A vendor like V4L carries the 808. Everything has matching threads. I've never noticed that they have atomizers, just cartomizers so that means one less thing to consider.

that's not quite right. i guess i don't mean to give the wrong impression and say i don't want choice, i just feel like with all these different vendors and knockoffs and components and juices the simple pleasure of smoking a cig has become overly complicated.

my frustration comes more from not doing more research before ordering the Blu. on the plus side, i did post my 2 cents on reddit and a blu rep contacted me privately and thanked me and gave me a $25 credit on their store...so there's some value there.
 

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I have used most of the Joye products starting with the 510 and currently on the eGo-c. with the 510, it needed to be modified to be satisfying and the batteries ran down quickly. Got a little better when they changed to the bigger battery and two piece (cartomizer) like you have, but had a tendency to leak. I started using the eGo-C type A a few weeks ago and I love it. No modifications, no dripping, no leaking. Make sure you get the silicone caps and use a thin juice (at least 50% PG, VG is very thick) and keep the tank from going empty. There is a clear section you can actually see the fluid level inside. The only maintenance I have to do is fill the tanks with a squirt from the bottle in my pocket and change the batteries. Several vendors have the eGo-C, I get mine from Cignot.com
 

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that's not quite right. i guess i don't mean to give the wrong impression and say i don't want choice, i just feel like with all these different vendors and knockoffs and components and juices the simple pleasure of smoking a cig has become overly complicated.

my frustration comes more from not doing more research before ordering the Blu. on the plus side, i did post my 2 cents on reddit and a blu rep contacted me privately and thanked me and gave me a $25 credit on their store...so there's some value there.

Ah, it's only complicated in the beginning....like when you first learn to drive an automobile. All those pedals, knobs, levers and whatnots can overwhelm some, but it comes quickly when doing instead of looking. (Some folks fall right into it with a, "Yahoo, more stuff to play with." outlook too.)

I remember being confused in the beginning. All the terms that meant nothing to me or meant something that wasn't vaping related. There was less to pick from then too and less research to do too. Now I have a tube mod that I drip on when I'm not on the go and a feeder mod when I am on the go, so my problems are solved.

You've made the best choice by coming here. There is no greater amount of knowledge contained in one spot on vaping. (That cuts both ways, there is just plain TONS of information and it is darn easy to get lost.)

When I read that someone wants simple, the 808 comes to mind. It works for quite a few. Not me, but many others. I've even known people that got everything they needed in their vape out of a Blu. I've met a couple of guys who have nothing but great things to say about their Bloogs and some who are huge Volt fans. These folks have found a vendor and stick with them and things just work for them. (V4L fans are the same as Bloog and Volt fans in my book, but my book hasn't had an editor go through it yet.)

I'm not a fan of the KGO. I question its quality. I know some folks who love them, but I'm not in that camp. I lean more toward the E-power and then slide down to the Riva/eGo models when I'm not talking about variable voltage PV's. My sister has an eGo and loves it. My oldest son has an e-power and loves it. Neither is enough for my vaping style though. (Not enough wattage output.) But I'm firmly in the 510 thread camp just because that has the most options. Anything is easily possible with the 510 threaded equipment. I really like being able to customize my setup for whatever I need it for. It means I have an incredible amount of choices but I like that over everything else. (The thread size and pitch is not a great base for what we do, but that's really the only real issue I have with 510 threaded stuff.)

Might want to check out the location specific social sub forums and see if there are any meets going on in your area. Getting together with others and seeing what equipment they use and hearing why they use it has got to be better than reading posts on a forum?
 

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You only need to constantly drip if you're using an atomizer. For simplicity's sake just view it as a taste testing device you will only use when you get a new flavor. 2-4 drops of the new juice in the atomizer should give you an idea if you like the flavor and wish to devote an entire cartomizer to it.

Cartomizers do not need to be constantly dripped in. I'm a fairly heavy vaper and can go several hours on a freshly filled carto. Since you were a lighter smoker than I was (and likely a lighter vaper) you should get longer use out of a full carto before you need to refill it. I wouldn't expect a full day out of it, but YMMV.

Remember, we're here to offer support and guidance to help you navigate your way through this whole new world. There will always be a lot of different opinions offered, but nobody is looking to steer you in the wrong direction. If anything seems unclear just ask and you will get answers. Congratulations on making the switch and remember that after a little bit of research and question asking it all starts coming together and making sense.
 

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IMAVAPER: it's becoming more clear, that's probably the best explanation i've heard so far. the kGo looks really shnazzy and i'm tempted to pull the trigger, but I dunno how I feel about having to continuously drip more liquid in to keep it up and running. the battery is great, but if i'm out of the house for a full day I get the impression I'll be toting around a tackle box full of accessories in order to keep puffing away.

is that the point it gets to?
Well, that entirely depends on how often you vape, lol. 1ml of liquid certainly isn't a lot, and I'd say in a carto you'll start noticing an off taste when you go through about 3/4 of your fill...so dripping 6 or 7 drops every once in a while to keep the top of the filler wet isn't a bad idea.

As long as you have one carto full of liquid that you like, you oughtta be able to make it through the work day with your battery, that carto, and a small bottle of the juice in the carto to refill with. A drip tip will make refilling easier, you'll be able to pull it out real quick and drip some more juice in in about 30 seconds time.

Now you're getting to the capacity questions that'll raise even more questions ;). What I recommended will be great to start you out, but if you're looking for hassle free for a full day (fill in the morning or the night before) you're going to need to look at either a high capacity cartomizer or some sort of tank, and even then tanks aren't hassle free. You need to slot or punch the cartos that go in them or buy pre-punched/slotted cartos, you need to make sure your o-rings are in good shape so you don't get leaking due to positive pressure, etc.

I use an M1A1 Buzz Tank from Notcigs with a 5ml capacity, and it'll last me about a day and a half. I don't use it exclusively, I have some random cartos I truck around with me, maybe a bottle of juice and an atomizer...I vape probably 4ml of juice a day on average. The good thing is that with what I suggested in my last post you can grow into just about anything, all you need to do after you figure out what you do and don't like about the cartos and atty I suggested is make another purchase. Check these videos out if you're interested in going the tank route...but I probably wouldn't suggest going the tank route until you know what you like a bit better. Who knows, you could end up being a dripping fanatic ;).

Smoktech Dual Coil Carto Tank Setup - Hoosier - YouTube
M1A1 Buzz Tank - Notcigs - YouTube
A PBusardo Review - Mini-Sub Tank from Mom And Pop Vapor Shop - YouTube

EDIT: To address Hoosier's concerns on the quality of the KGO, it worked for me for three weeks before I decided to upgrade (like Hoosier, I needed more wattage), and it still works as a solid 3.7v backup. Three weeks isn't a lot of time to be thoroughly recommending the device IMO, but it's an easy pick. I flip flopped between it and the E-Power because at the time I was looking for two batteries, one for me and one for my wife, and the E-Power was just a bit out of my price range for two full mods. I've heard a lot of good about the E-Power, and I think you'll probably be just as happy with it as the KGO, maybe more-so since a dead battery means a $5 purchase for a replacement instead of $15 or $20.
 
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Dripping is not your only option with the kgo it can fit any 510 carto/atty if you want something to have plenty of liquid why ur out check out the stardust it holds 1.6ml of liquid and is very easy to fill i started with a kgo and stardust combo and worked great for myself the Kgo/Riva are better than egos because they run at a higher voltage which means a warmer vape
 

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Wes, you don't really have to drip all day. Some people choose dripping into an atomizer over using a cartomizers. Me myself get about 4-5 hours out of a cartomizer before I have to refill it (which takes all of 1 min to do. So if you Want a no fuss way to go use cartomizers for your all day vape. And drip into atomizer to try out new flavors. When you are going out for a full day put a cartomizers on your ecig and carry 2 cartomizers that are already filled with you

So here is what's you will carry on your person: ecig with carto on it and 2 cartos that's just like carrying a pack of cigs and a lighter

Good luck and happy vaping!!!

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Ego, Kgo, Riva ... Just buy something that has a MAH rating over 500mah. The higher capacity batteries are generally not longer, but they are thicker because they contain a heftier battery. Battery size is an individual consideration, but many people think their ecig needs to look like a cigarette at first, then they get tired of constantly changing and charging batteries. Once they get fed up with battery life, a larger format battery begins to look just right.\

Comparison of battery sizes. The gold one is the size of an eGo/Riva 650mah battery.
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People will notice that your ecig doesn't have a REAL coal on the end, so you can't really morph into a group of smokers and not stand out. Someone will notice and ask you what that thing is.

I started with a 510, but changed over the first month to an eGo and never looked back. It fits in my pocket and the eGo-T battery has a 5 click on/off function to turn it off so it won't energize in your pocket. To me, it's the ultimate vape for away from the house. I hang a 2 ohm Boge LR carto on the end of my 1000mah eGo battery and drop a couple more prefilled cartos in my pocket or car and I'm good for the day.

If you want to experience variable voltage vaping on the cheap, check out Madvapes vv box mod. It's not fancy, but vapes like a smokestack.
Variable Volt Box Mod w/ Voltage Indicator
 
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I started small, then switched to eGo-T and never looked back. The vapor is perfect for me and it is simple, and I have had terrific battery life with the Joyetech batteries, so they aren't expensive if you get 6-12 months or more out of them.

I have switched from standard ego tanks to Vision Ego Clearomizers, which are fantastic and extremely easy to use. All I need is my battery, my clearomizer, and a charger. Super simple and easy.

I am a woman and don't find the size too large, when you get used to it it feels normal. Kind of like holding a medium cigar.
 

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Wes, you don't really have to drip all day. Some people choose dripping into an atomizer over using a cartomizers. Me myself get about 4-5 hours out of a cartomizer before I have to refill it (which takes all of 1 min to do. So if you Want a no fuss way to go use cartomizers for your all day vape. And drip into atomizer to try out new flavors. When you are going out for a full day put a cartomizers on your ecig and carry 2 cartomizers that are already filled with you

So here is what's you will carry on your person: ecig with carto on it and 2 cartos that's just like carrying a pack of cigs and a lighter

Good luck and happy vaping!!!

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Here is what I carry for up to 12 hours (limit of battery life).
eGo vision clearomizer (like tinajfreeman mentioned)

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This would last me a week (with recharging) considering I use less than 2 ml/day of juice.

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On the theory of having back-ups, this would only be limited by having juice.
(back-up for charger would be any mini USB data cable. Old BlackBerry style)
And it all fits in a small inexpensive case.

Enjoy!
 
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Alright guys, I think the SLB kGo looks pretty cool and the reviews are promising. It really does seem like a better value to poor your own juice...please correct me if I'm wrong assuming a Blu cartridge is about 1 - 1.5ml which at $2.50 a pop is $75....with my own juice I'm paying what...$15 bucks? This is a no-brainer.

Here's a screen shot of what I'm thinking of getting. It's basically IMAVAPER's recommendation. I wanna make the plunge but I've still got even more Blu carts on the way so I'm hesitant. On the flip side...it will last a long time so it's a good value.

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Do you think it's a good idea?

I'm becoming less frustrated.
 
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