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eyebrook

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Hi Folks I saw a thread on here using 4 Ni Mh batts so decided to give it a go, if i can attach my pics you will see what it ended up like. I used a chinese switch and it hits when it feels like it, the other problem is the voltage drop, fully charged the batts come in at 5.3 volts, but at the Atty it shows 3.6 volts, is this because of the wire? IMGP0248 (600 x 450).jpgIMGP0249 (600 x 450).jpg
 

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Hi Folks I saw a thread on here using 4 Ni Mh batts so decided to give it a go, if i can attach my pics you will see what it ended up like. I used a chinese switch and it hits when it feels like it, the other problem is the voltage drop, fully charged the batts come in at 5.3 volts, but at the Atty it shows 3.6 volts, is this because of the wire?
Well the wire will probably add a bit of resistance. NiMHs can't really handle the high amp drain of vaping very well.

You'll get higher voltage if you switch over to NiCDs.

Here's a load test with 4 NiMHs @ 2Ω. In a real mod the numbers would be even lower. The cells came in at 5.5V unloaded.

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Pretty much every switch made is Chinese, you may have over heated it. How's your soldering skills?
 

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From Wikipedia:

"Comparison with other battery types

NiMH cells and chargers are readily available in retail stores in the common sizes AAA and AA. Adapter sleeves are available to use the more common AA size in C and D applications. The sizes C and D cells are somewhat available, but are often just a AA core hidden in an outer shell, with a rating of about 2500 mA·h, much less than ordinary alkaline C and D batteries.[citation needed] Real NiMH C and D batteries are expensive (and the chargers are uncommon); they should be rated at least 5000 mA·h for C and 10,000 mA·h for D sizes.[21]

PP3 (nine volt) NiMH batteries are available; these usually have an output voltage of 8.4 V (1.2 × 7) and a capacity of roughly 200 mA·h.[citation needed] Also available are eight-cell nine volt batteries with a nominal output voltage of 9.6 V (1.2 × 8).

NiMH cells are not expensive, and the voltage and performance is similar to primary alkaline cells in those sizes; they can be substituted for most purposes. Although alkaline cells are rated at 1.5 volts and NiMH cells at 1.2 volts, during discharge the alkaline voltage eventually drops below that of NiMH. NiMH batteries offer a flatter discharge curve, particularly at higher current draw.[22]

NiMH cells are often used in digital cameras and other high drain devices, where over the duration of single charge use they outperform primary (such as alkaline) batteries.[22] Applications that require frequent replacement of the battery, such as toys or video game controllers, also benefit from use of rechargeable batteries. With the development of low self-discharge NiMHs (see section above), many occasional-use and very low-power applications are now candidates for NiMH cells.[23]

NiMH cells are particularly advantageous for high current drain applications, due in large part to their low internal resistance. Alkaline batteries, which might have approximately 3000 mA·h capacity at low current demand (200 mA), will have about 700 mA·h capacity with a 1000 mA load.[24] Digital cameras with LCDs and flashlights can draw over 1000 mA, quickly depleting alkaline batteries. NiMH cells can deliver these current levels and maintain their full capacity.

Certain devices that were designed to operate using primary alkaline chemistry (or zinc-carbon/chloride) cells will not function when one uses NiMH cells as substitutes. However, this is rare, as most devices compensate for the voltage drop of an alkaline as it discharges down to about 1 volt. A good-quality freshly charged NiMH cell delivers 1.4–1.45 V, very close to the 1.5 V that these devices expect. Such devices would also likely have an extremely short runtime as the voltage from an alkaline falls to 1.4 V quite quickly from the 1.5 V starting voltage. Low internal resistance allows NiMH cells to deliver a near-constant voltage until they are almost completely discharged. This will cause a battery level indicator to overstate the remaining charge if it was designed to read only the voltage curve of alkaline cells. The voltage of alkaline cells decreases steadily during most of the discharge cycle.

Lithium ion batteries have a higher specific energy than nickel-metal hydride batteries,[25] but they are significantly more expensive to produce.[26] In October 2009, ECD Ovonics announced that their next-generation NiMH batteries will provide specific energy and power that are comparable to those of lithium ion batteries at a cost that is significantly lower than the cost of lithium ion batteries.[26]
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Willy is correct in the voltage drop under load; but, to me (I've built 2 NiMH mods) this is of little concern. My mods vape very well and produce a lot of warm vapor. Check out ThePuck's Puck mod (see my signature for the link). Using this style of mod, you can add additional batteries (one of mine is wired to hold 5) for higher voltages. I prefer vaping with 4 NiMH because 5, with my current cartos, is too hot for my preferences. So IMO, NiMH is a perfectly viable option. Of course, if you want slim and sleek, li-ion would be the way to go ;) ; but I prefer the convenience of running out to Walmart, KMart, 7/11, etc if I want or need new batts.

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Also, when I want to build a new Puck-style mod; the only thing I have to do is stop by my local RadioShack and pick up all the parts I need.
 
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From Wikipedia:

"Comparison with other battery types

The point is eyebrook like many were going into this as an HV type of mod. It's maker inferred ~4.5V ish vaping. He is not the first to fall into the ~3.6V range. As far as all your NiMH stuff how they compare to alkalines is of no importance.

High discharge rates for e-cigs is a bit different than toys.

Nickel cadmium (NiCad) advantages:
-- longer life cycles
-- performs in cold temperatures (perform well to 20F)
-- lower self-discharge level than NiMH
-- no voltage drop at near discharged levels


The Ni-Cd battery is very useful in applications requiring very high discharge rates because the Ni-Cd can endure such discharge with no damage or loss of capacity,


The capacity of a nickel cadmium battery is not significantly affected by very high discharge currents. Even with discharge rates as high as 50C, a nickel cadmium will provide very nearly its rated capacity.

a similarly sized NiCd battery has a slightly lower internal resistance, and thus can achieve a higher maximum discharge rate (which can be important for applications such as power tools).

With a relatively low internal resistance, a NiCd battery can supply high surge currents. This makes them a favourable choice for remote-controlled electric model airplanes, boats, and cars, as well as cordless power tools and camera flash units.



here we go with the "li-ion vs. nimh" again, lol !
It is rather funny that anyone would try to even compare the two. The average fresh charged Li-Ion will sag about 9% under a 2.5Ω load while 4 NiMHs will sag about 30%.

They have been weighed, they have been measured, and they have been found wanting :p



If you guys like them so be it. NiMH's make for clumsy, bulky, underperforming mods. If folks like the Puck design and the Walmart factor and want to use atties/cartos in the ~2.5Ω and lower range at a decent voltage get the NiCDs.
 
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