A realization... for old hands and n00bs alike

[CaliforniaGirl]

"Hi, I've bought a Dripmaster clone and a Siglee(sp) and some kinda batteries I dug out of an old laptop. I have some cotton balls and some wire I stripped from out of aunt May's toaster (may she rest in peace)... and I'm ready to start makin' clouds! So, ah... what is an ohm anyway?"[/I]

Hey wait, that was me. Just kidding. I'm an idiot (so far) so I make NO judgments. I think what leads most of us "down this road" is wanting nicotine, but not wanting all the harmfull constituents of commercially available tobacco (and the harmful factor of inhaling anything that's burning, commercial or not).

We need a little slack. And a lot of hand-holding.

Ignore us...we will remain stupid for a while, I daresay.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

New rule: only smart adults are allowed to vape.

Oh. Cr*p.

(putting down vape)

 

[DPLongo22]

Oh. Cr*p.

(putting down vape)

Good stuff. It's nice to see good humor here (and I don't mean the ice cream truck, although..).

 

[WattWick]

So, what's going on here? Is it folks who do understand "how things work" not realizing (or perhaps caring) that they're talking to folks who still don't get "rightly-tighty, lefty-loosey"... let alone are capable of building a safe and functional RDA?

Are you saying that if I coil clock-wise, I can tighten this coil up and push my 0.05 ohmer to a 0.025 ohmer? Awesome!

I'm having mixed feelings. One the one hand, I don't want anti-vapers to have any more fuel for their witch fire. On the other, I'm all for turbo-Darwinism.

Seriously, tho... I wish people appreciated knowledge as much as clouds. I honestly don't want to see anyone get hurt...

 

[Pstarsr]

I think alot of it can be mod envy, or gear envy.

I saw this when I was building cars and racing cars. People wanted this and wanted that because the pros had it, or ( sadly ) because it was more expensive so it must be better.

Even though I'm still technically new myself, I don't fall for mod envy. I don't like the steering towards expensive gear where the new vaper has no idea what any of the gear does or it's purpose in the world of vaping.

It's like training wheels on your first bike, your parents didn't throw you onto a $2000 down hill mountain bike when you were 4, you had to learn the fundamentals on something less complicated and more user friendly.




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[90quattrocoupe]

Had a friend I was working on to quit smoking. I am still new to this, but realized what was simple and consistent.

I loaned him a Joyetech Ego Twist, a carto tank, and we went to a local B&M, who I knew would not have him in a Mech, right off. He bought another tank and some juice he felt he liked.

A week later he goes to another B&M near us, to try some juice. What happens, he ends up with a bottom button Mech, dual coil dripping atomizer, and blowing lots of vapor. I check the Atomizer, sure enough, wrapped with flat wire, and .3 ohms. No one showed him what the ohms were, no one showed him how to wrap new ones, and no one said a d**n thing about safety. At least they sold him AW batteries, but they were only 18350s. How long were those going to last? He thought it was cool, and showed me all the vapor. I bit my tongue and didn't say a word.

2 weeks later he is back on analogs. The Atomizer stopped working, and trying to drip while you are driving, or at work is a pain in the a**.

So I look at the Atomizer and one of the coils is grounded out against the side. I fixed it. I gave him a Protank II, extra heads and showed him where to buy more.

Now he is back off cigs, because I made it easy for him. No dripping, no rebuilding, just put juice in the tank and go.

I never suggest to a beginning vaper, anything more than a eGo twist. Keeping it simple is the best way to keep someone off analogs.

Greg W.

 

[Ryedan]

What I'd like to know.. is WHY? Is sub ohm really that much better than normal ranges? Does it produce more flavor? Yes i know it produces "massive clouds dude!"..
other than more vapor.. and trying to appear cool..what is the appeal?

For me it's the flavor. I get fantastic, warm flavor that I have not been able to experience with anything else. Vapor production is great, but I can get that from cartos too.

Having said that, I am not a sub-ohm/RBA/mech mod fanboy. I know the risks and I'm one of those people who post about safety issues if I feel someone doesn't get it. I also think if disposables or anything else are doing it for someone, then they are great for that person and I don't try to push 'better' solutions at them unless they ask for that advice.

I've also learned that vaping experience does not always determine knowledge level. I've seen some people with only a few posts here who understand what they are doing and some people who have been here much longer and should know better. Really reading a post is key to understanding what is needed to help someone.

Back OT. I think the scariest posts generally come from people who are new to ECF, who have gotten a mech mod and are trying to set up a quad coil 0.15 ohm monster because of what they have seen on YouTube or heard about from friends. I've seen posts where the battery is heating up and they are wondering if that's OK. IMO these scenarios give these devices a bad rap here. Common sense prevails pretty quick though and they get the information they need, sometimes with a whole lot of miss-information thrown in too, but they seem to wade through that OK.

There is no way we can stop this from happening. We can not control what people do, (or at what age they do it) but we can and do help. I would much rather those people come to ECF and ask questions rather than have them continue on their own and get into trouble. And yes, I have seen people suggest mech/RBA hardware to people who obviously don't know what a ohm is and have stated they have no desire to learn about it. That sucks, but usually other people chime in and set things straight. We usually get it right in the end

 

[State O' Flux]

Somewhere, St. Sub-Ohm©, pausing a moment from wrapping golden 28ga around a bit of angel's feather down... is smiling.

 

[peterforpats]

You must have missed the threads here about the frustration of the vaping veterans trying to help these lost people.

Sometimes, people only hear what they want to hear. Yet, many people attempt to offer sound advice anyway. I care insofar as i don't want a few bad apples giving vaping a bad name. New rule: only smart adults are allowed to vape.

You can't save people from themselves if their mind is made up.

I read those idiot threads with an expression like this:

sorry, I can't read anymore of the thread without commenting- "only smart adults are allowed to vape"? what's gonna happen to all the shops? what's gonna happen to the forum? if only smart people could vape it would be me and a handful of others. and before you go slamming my arrogance, I never thought I was smart but what is my lowly opinion against everybody else?

 

[spartanstew]

There's a couple of things at play here, that are a result of how this forum is designed and likely will never change.

1. It's hard for someone new to know which posters know what they're talking about. In most forums, this can usually be deduced by the number of posts a member has (but not always). Here, that information is irrelevant, because of the contest threads. A member can easily rack up 100 or more posts in one day in a guess the juice contest. In other forums, there's sections of the forum where posts don't add to the members post count. I think that would be very beneficial here, but doubt it will happen. As a result, you would have someone with 2000 posts (all from saying hello and guessing at contests) giving advice and the new member would consider it gospel, because the member with the opposing view only has 300 posts (but all good content).

2. Another means of determining who knows what they're talking about in other forums is looking at someone's "likes". Typically, if a member posts a beneficial and useful post, a few people will like it. A member with lots of likes generally knows what they're talking about. Again here, that's not the case. A member says "hello" in a post and receives 5 likes. He guesses "33" in a contest and gets a like. So, it's hard to weigh value with that system either. As a result, for new members it's a crap-shoot as to who knows what they're talking about.

3. There's too much posting and not enough reading by new members. Not sure how to correct this, but new members hurry up to try and get their minimum posts so they can then venture out and start posting (instead of reading). As a result, no research is being done. They ask a question (in a new thread) and act on the first response or two -whether or not it's accurate. On another forum, I belong to, new members have post minimums before certain things can be done (similar to here), but they're also limited to how many posts they can make per day. IMO, new members here should not be allowed to make more than 5 posts per day until they reach 20 posts. Then it should be a maximum of 10 posts per day until they get to 100. That would be anywhere between 2 weeks and 1 month of time. During that time, they could read and research as much as they wanted - which is what they need.

Keep in mind these thoughts are from a newbie to vaping, but not a newbie to forums and all the variations they bring. And for the record, I spend 90% of my time here reading, and maybe 10% posting. I also use the search function to find answers to questions before starting a new thread (as evidenced by the fact that I've only started 4 threads), and I read the full content of every thread before posting in it - rules I learned a long time ago in visiting/moderating forums.

 

[State O' Flux]

There's too much posting and not enough reading by new members.

I smell a sig line for someone... "Too much posting - not enough reading". Maybe I should copyright this one too. ;-)

 

[Ryedan]

Somewhere, St. Sub-Ohm©, pausing a moment from wrapping golden 28ga around a bit of angel's feather down... is smiling.

Nope, 28 gauge on angel's feather down would not work well. I see you are not one with the subinati ... yet

 

[State O' Flux]

Nope, 28 gauge on angel's feather down would not work well. I see you are not one with the subinati ... yet

Jay & Silent Bob care not for the "Subinati".

(Hey... maybe I should copyright.... naaaaaa. ;-) )

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

Okay, look, folks.

It's like this. And it's really pretty simple.

We want to start vaping. That's where it begins. But we don't want to look like Big Stooopids on some internet forum, so we do our research on the companies' websites, think we have good information, get our products, then promptly find out they don't work for shyte and/or that "equal to one pack of cigarettes" really means "equal to that drag you used to sneak out the back door of work and then throw out onto the tarmac" or that we're spending waaaaaaaaay too much. So we progress to that forum we were so nervous about...where we are then told we're Big Stooopids for not having done our research.

Think about that one.

Call me crazy (you shan't be the first), but...the reason most people come onto internet forums of this type are to learn something, having been burned (yar, har...har...oh, never mind) by the research we've done so far, because, well...the very nature of a forum is that it's social. Correct? So...we figure people won't mind actually talking to us.

...And then we get an entire thread dedicated to us about what Big Stooopids we are.

Look. Everyone started somewhere. Correct? I know we're annoying. I know we set your teeth on edge. But honestly...we're just trying to figure out what the real deal is, what we should actually be doing, and then sit down and finally have a nice, smooth vape.

Although I joke about it, I know I'm not a ...... Want to engage in a history challenge? Grammar-off? Spelling bee? Archaelogical dig? I'm your woman. Want to talk vapes? Still learning. Period.

Now lay off while I go try to stuff this Kotex into my carto.

 

[spartanstew]

Call me crazy (you shan't be the first), but...the reason most people come onto internet forums of this type are to learn something,

99% of people can learn all they need to know on this forum without ever making a single post.

 

[degnr8]

Okay, look, folks.

It's like this. And it's really pretty simple.

We want to start vaping. That's where it begins. But we don't want to look like Big Stooopids on some internet forum, so we do our research on the companies' websites, think we have good information, get our products, then promptly find out they don't work for shyte and/or that "equal to one pack of cigarettes" really means "equal to that drag you used to sneak out the back door of work and then throw out onto the tarmac" or that we're spending waaaaaaaaay too much. So we progress to that forum we were so nervous about...where we are then told we're Big Stooopids for not having done our research.

Think about that one.

Call me crazy (you shan't be the first), but...the reason most people come onto internet forums of this type are to learn something, having been burned (yar, har...har...oh, never mind) by the research we've done so far, because, well...the very nature of a forum is that it's social. Correct? So...we figure people won't mind actually talking to us.

...And then we get an entire thread dedicated to us about what Big Stooopids we are.

Look. Everyone started somewhere. Correct? I know we're annoying. I know we set your teeth on edge. But honestly...we're just trying to figure out what the real deal is, what we should actually be doing, and then sit down and finally have a nice, smooth vape.

Although I joke about it, I know I'm not a ...... Want to engage in a history challenge? Grammar-off? Spelling bee? Archaelogical dig? I'm your woman. Want to talk vapes? Still learning. Period.

Now lay off while I go try to stuff this Kotex into my carto.

The point we're making isn't that noobs are stupid, but that some of the advice they get is and by definition a newbie doesn't have the ability to detect the BS they're handed.

 

[tj99959]

California Girl
Did you order the Kanger Evod kit yet.

Also looking at join dates is a good indicator of experience ...... part of the time.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

The point we're making isn't that noobs are stupid, but that some of the advice they get is and by definition a newbie doesn't have the ability to detect the BS they're handed.

Exactly! We have a winner.

Which is why, and how, we would up here.

Nice to meet you, BTW.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

California Girl
Did you order the Kanger Evod kit yet.

Ordering it this weekend and shall let you know!

On to the big leagues!

Thank you for asking, ((tj)).

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

99% of people can learn all they need to know on this forum without ever making a single post.

Well, sure. But again. That's where the "a forum is social" part comes in...

I guess this settles it, I really am just crazy.

And trust me, I read before I ever posted here. Boy howdy but did I read. Somewhere between cleaning threads and stuffing polyfil in some almost obscene places on a "mod" and ohms and all that...I just said, "Oh to heck with it. I'm just gonna ask."

Also...that search feature? Dunno, folks...as I said, my spelling is generally spot-on and my searches were simple but, nope. Didn't necessarily give me the answers.

So I got crazy. I mean social.

Bear with me.