Well... as the old saying goes... updated for the age of Internet; God gave us 2 eyes and 10 fingers for a reason.
A realization... for old hands and n00bs alike
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Well... as the old saying goes... updated for the age of Internet; God gave us 2 eyes and 10 fingers for a reason.
The bad part about ecf is that out of necessity it has gotten so huge with so many sub forums that a noob has no idea where to even start looking for the information they want. We try, but what in the world does sub forum heading like KR808 or RN401 mean to a noob. (old and outdated stuff anyway)
That didn't work for me at the beginning and still does not now. Being able to ask questions about something that is not clear to me really shortens the learning curve.
Now, not doing any research at all and asking 'how do I vape' does not encourage me to respond unless there is a safety issue involved, which trumps everything else in my opinion. But other than that I don't believe there are any 'silly' questions.
Having insomnia, I read quite a bit... when all y'all are sleepin'.
I've read a lot of threads in the sub-forums where the OP is, for lack of a better description, lost. They've been vaping for 5 minutes, listened to some "vapin' pros", went out and bought mech mods, RD and RBAs... and they don't have the first clue as to basic electrical theory, the concept of wicks, coils, resistance and finding a "balance" to achieve vaping nirvana.
So, what's going on here? Is it folks who do understand "how things work" not realizing (or perhaps caring) that they're talking to folks who still don't get "rightly-tighty, lefty-loosey"... let alone are capable of building a safe and functional RDA?
Perhaps it's new vapors who can blow just enough smoke up the gentle reader's ... to make everyone think they know of what they speak, and therefor are holy enough to receive the vaping gospel... according to Saint Sub-Ohm? (Saint Sub-Ohm is now copyrighted, so no, you can't use it as a user name without expressed permission... and cash ;-) )
Seriously I'm not going to name names... but threads that start out something like this...
"Hi, I've bought a Dripmaster clone and a Siglee(sp) and some kinda batteries I dug out of an old laptop. I have some cotton balls and some wire I stripped from out of aunt May's toaster (may she rest in peace)... and I'm ready to start makin' clouds! So, ah... what is an ohm anyway?"
... are just far too common. An exaggeration, yes, but also a composite of a few real threads.
Who in the hell lead this guy or gal down this road, and why did this guy or gal get the idea that they could drive on this road in the first place?
OK... all done with my sub-rant. I'm the first to admit that I frequently don't pick up on the more sly threads... they have to be pretty obvious before I'll back up, say whatinthehell?... and question the OPs sanity.
So, is it just me? Comments... verbal beatings, silent contempt?
I don't encourage noobs to seek out advanced gear or RBAs.
I try to always encourage them to look to the Juice they're vaping and adjust the PG/VG ratio and nicotine content to get as close as possible to what they're looking for...
Simply dripping 70+% VG on an eGo 650 battery with pretty much any 1.5 - 2.0 ohm delivery system will produce huge clouds of vapor if that's what they want... Increase the throat hit at the same time? Up the nicotine level...
A LOT can be done with entry level gear by playing with the juice...
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I was being OTT.. i thought it was implied..
If you are, in fact, smart.. then by all means.. be arrogant.. it's one of the few things *I* feel people SHOULD be arrogant about...
(Excuse the interruption of the show, folks.)
This post mirrors what I was feeling earlier this afternoon. I was reading a post where the OP was wondering if his nic level was too low (he was a relatively new vaper who was starting out with 6 mg). One of the responses was that it wasn't a problem of nic level, but a problem of vapor production, and suggested the OP get a sub-ohm RBA and a mech mod, and that would solve his problem. Someone did come along after that, and suggest that was not a good suggestion for someone brand new.
I do a lot more reading here than posting, but I do like to be helpful where I can for new members who have questions or may be having problems. I find though, that a lot of times the questions or responses are out of my area of knowledge, in which case I go back to re-read what it sounds like the OP is really asking about, and if I still don't feel that I can provide assistance, I won't respond. I was away from the forum for awhile, so there were a lot of new developments in technology (even what are common starter kits, or 1st steps up, let alone sub-ohm attys, etc.) that I don't feel familiar with or have not used.
I could be wrong, but what I'm taking from all this is first not to respond about areas I don't have familiarity with or feel comfortable with (as I have been trying to do), and second, if it looks like there are responses which don't appear relevant or perhaps safe for a new member, to post a response questioning the questionable part of a response (or perhaps even of the OP's post, if it seems like the OP may be moving directly to advanced level technologies).
It does seem like the most important part should first be getting adequate basic equipment, finding the right juice strength and flavors and feeling successful and stabilized before worrying about how big of a plume of fog you can make. That's my opinion, anyway.
I do a lot more reading here than posting, but I do like to be helpful where I can for new members who have questions or may be having problems. I find though, that a lot of times the questions or responses are out of my area of knowledge, in which case I go back to re-read what it sounds like the OP is really asking about, and if I still don't feel that I can provide assistance, I won't respond. I was away from the forum for awhile, so there were a lot of new developments in technology (even what are common starter kits, or 1st steps up, let alone sub-ohm attys, etc.) that I don't feel familiar with or have not used.
I could be wrong, but what I'm taking from all this is first not to respond about areas I don't have familiarity with or feel comfortable with (as I have been trying to do), and second, if it looks like there are responses which don't appear relevant or perhaps safe for a new member, to post a response questioning the questionable part of a response (or perhaps even of the OP's post, if it seems like the OP may be moving directly to advanced level technologies).
It does seem like the most important part should first be getting adequate basic equipment, finding the right juice strength and flavors and feeling successful and stabilized before worrying about how big of a plume of fog you can make. That's my opinion, anyway.
Sure, every situation is different.
However, I'll give you an example. I've been in 3 Co-ops so far. Of those three Co-Ops, there's probably been 5 or 6 people that have jumped in the thread and said things like "How do I get in this Co-Op?", or "Can I still buy some" - well after the ordering has been closed.
That's just seems pretty common because most people don't want to read. If any of those members would have read the first post, or the Co-Op guidelines, or the entire thread before posting, the answers were all there.
Are all the answers available? Nope, but many are. People are in just too much of a rush, so they start a new thread with a simple question instead of trying to find the answer by looking. Obviously, it's not everyone, but it's many.
This results in way more threads than this forum needs. Which results in it being harder to find answers, because there's too many threads to wade through, and most threads have too many posts - just look at the fasttech thread, there's probably 200 posts in that thread asking how long shipping takes.
Anyway, my little rant is over, but basically most of the answers are out there, and if they're not, ask away - but don't make your decision after the first two responses (necessarily). Most don't even bother to look, however.
However, I'll give you an example. I've been in 3 Co-ops so far. Of those three Co-Ops, there's probably been 5 or 6 people that have jumped in the thread and said things like "How do I get in this Co-Op?", or "Can I still buy some" - well after the ordering has been closed.
That's just seems pretty common because most people don't want to read. If any of those members would have read the first post, or the Co-Op guidelines, or the entire thread before posting, the answers were all there.
Are all the answers available? Nope, but many are. People are in just too much of a rush, so they start a new thread with a simple question instead of trying to find the answer by looking. Obviously, it's not everyone, but it's many.
This results in way more threads than this forum needs. Which results in it being harder to find answers, because there's too many threads to wade through, and most threads have too many posts - just look at the fasttech thread, there's probably 200 posts in that thread asking how long shipping takes.
Anyway, my little rant is over, but basically most of the answers are out there, and if they're not, ask away - but don't make your decision after the first two responses (necessarily). Most don't even bother to look, however.
All very good points IMO moondragon. And if more people would do the underlined above, there would be much less miss-information slung around for people to wade through
Okay, look, folks.
It's like this. And it's really pretty simple.
We want to start vaping. That's where it begins. But we don't want to look like Big Stooopids on some internet forum, so we do our research on the companies' websites, think we have good information, get our products, then promptly find out they don't work for shyte and/or that "equal to one pack of cigarettes" really means "equal to that drag you used to sneak out the back door of work and then throw out onto the tarmac" or that we're spending waaaaaaaaay too much. So we progress to that forum we were so nervous about...where we are then told we're Big Stooopids for not having done our research.
Think about that one
Call me crazy (you shan't be the first), but...the reason most people come o
...And then we get an entire thread dedicated to us about what Big Stooopids we are.
Huh?
are you interested in the whys, hows, and whats of sub-ohm? This will sound snarky but that is not my intent..
If you are new to vaping and run out and buy an unregulated mechanical and ask how to build a .2 coil and you have to ask which way the batteries are loaded then, yes, that's stupid behavior. This isn't a thread dedicated to new vapers and the psychology of a noobs feelings on internet forums... it's a thread about discussing new vapers who want to sub-ohm without doing their homework.
LOL, no, it was a facetious autobiography of how I viewed (well, okay, let's be real...still view!) some of the massive quanity of vape terms swirling around this and any forum.
I feel it's quite on topic. The OP sounded confused as to just why noobs ask what they ask. I answered.
ETA: Also, psst: it's actually not a thread to discuss new vapers who want to sub-ohm without doing their homework, specifically. The OP himself stated that that was just an example. Just sayin'...
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Here you go, Skyzthelinnet. The OP asked:
(bolding and underlining mine)
Those were the questions. I gave answers. Unless it was all just rhetorical. But those sure sound like direct questions and I gave what I hope were very complete answers.
If you didn't actually want answers, well then, I can't help ya.
(bolding and underlining mine)
Those were the questions. I gave answers. Unless it was all just rhetorical. But those sure sound like direct questions and I gave what I hope were very complete answers.
If you didn't actually want answers, well then, I can't help ya.
We have a difference of opinion on what the OP wanted to discuss
"Just sayin'"
Agree to disagree then, I still think you're cool and I've gotten quite a bit out of your posts.
(shakes hands with skyztheLinnit)
(goes off to vape)
But, psst: Yeah...he did say it was just an example... (runs away fast)
Here you go, Skyzthelinnet. The OP asked:
(bolding and underlining mine)
Those were the questions. I gave answers. Unless it was all just rhetorical. But those sure sound like direct questions and I gave what I hope were very complete answers.
If you didn't actually want answers, well then, I can't help ya.
Me thinks they wete rhetorical ..
Oh well as long as you think I'm cool lol
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