I wanted to put this in the new member forum, but I am obviously not a new member.
Maybe one of the mods will copy it there.
I am not a doctor or a chemist, so take this as you will.
I have seen post in the past about great ideas for alternative atomizers,
and recent post about different means of using nicotine liquids, and I
wanted to put out a warning for a little caution.
While there has been no clinical studies on the effects of long term vaping,
or the cumulative effects of the combined ingredients we use for juice,
I am sure the original designers of the e-cig consulted with doctors and/or
chemists to determine if the liquid components could be "vaporized" safely.
If for no other reason than to avoid killing or grossly effecting the health of
their customer base.
This brings me to a few points I want to make to people who like to experiment.
-- Atomizers are designed to operate at a certain range of temperatures, this is
because the components in PG and VG are only safe to vaporize at certain temps.
An example, some chemicals in VG will change to poisonous variants if heated
over a certain temp. Does this mean you are going to release a cloud of poison gas
on your handmade atty? No ( I hope not
), but the cumulative effect of
vaping this poison will/could hurt you.
-- Nicotine is a POISON. This is a fact, but so is the fact that caffeine is a poison.
Even if you use nicotine juice in the way it is meant to be used, you can over do
it and make your self very sick. Can it kill you? IMO no, You would have to continue
vaping through some very debilitating effects to make the nic levels high enough
to kill. That's not to discount the possibility of a combination of circumstances
creating a "perfect storm", so to speak, and causing serious harm.
An example, two recent post suggested either adding nicotine to a drink, or using
it like snuss in a homemade wad. First, nicotine and gastric juice do not mix, why do
you think chew and dip are spit out instead of swallowed. It will almost certainly
make you nauseous and, depending on the levels of nicotine, may do damage to
your stomach or bowels. Second, nicotine is a vascular constrictor ( hope I got the
terms right ), putting a concentrated dosage on your gums and cheek will restrict
blood to that area, and repeatedly doing so, may cause irreversible damage.
-- This last is more about equipment than chemicals. Lithium Ion batts are used
because they provide the most storage capacity for size, and the best ( or the best that
is feasibly applicable ) means of efficient delivery of power. They are still a relatively
new application though. That's why they aren't readily available. Although they are the
best means for our application, they still have a very narrow range of operation, and are
pushed to the limit of that range in most e-cig uses. Our uses demand higher amps and
higher current discharge rates than most equipment that uses these batts. Luckily, it
appears that the mnf's have recognized our needs and are coming out with batts that
are safer ( note I said safer not "safe" ) for our uses. If you are not an EE, or someone
used to designing electronics, that can take into account all the variables of amps, voltage,
and current, please be careful. You could very easily design the next great MOD that gives
you a great vape the first 10 times you use it, then explodes 2" from your face the 11th time.
I am sorry this ran so long, and if you read this far, thank you.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that while vaping is safer than smoking,
it could very easily be abused, and the consequences could be devastating.
Please use a little common sense when trying out new things, and by all means,
do a lot of reading in the ECF library to get a better grasp of this great alternative
for smoking.
Vape on people
Maybe one of the mods will copy it there.
I am not a doctor or a chemist, so take this as you will.
I have seen post in the past about great ideas for alternative atomizers,
and recent post about different means of using nicotine liquids, and I
wanted to put out a warning for a little caution.
While there has been no clinical studies on the effects of long term vaping,
or the cumulative effects of the combined ingredients we use for juice,
I am sure the original designers of the e-cig consulted with doctors and/or
chemists to determine if the liquid components could be "vaporized" safely.
If for no other reason than to avoid killing or grossly effecting the health of
their customer base.
This brings me to a few points I want to make to people who like to experiment.
-- Atomizers are designed to operate at a certain range of temperatures, this is
because the components in PG and VG are only safe to vaporize at certain temps.
An example, some chemicals in VG will change to poisonous variants if heated
over a certain temp. Does this mean you are going to release a cloud of poison gas
on your handmade atty? No ( I hope not
), but the cumulative effect ofvaping this poison will/could hurt you.
-- Nicotine is a POISON. This is a fact, but so is the fact that caffeine is a poison.
Even if you use nicotine juice in the way it is meant to be used, you can over do
it and make your self very sick. Can it kill you? IMO no, You would have to continue
vaping through some very debilitating effects to make the nic levels high enough
to kill. That's not to discount the possibility of a combination of circumstances
creating a "perfect storm", so to speak, and causing serious harm.
An example, two recent post suggested either adding nicotine to a drink, or using
it like snuss in a homemade wad. First, nicotine and gastric juice do not mix, why do
you think chew and dip are spit out instead of swallowed. It will almost certainly
make you nauseous and, depending on the levels of nicotine, may do damage to
your stomach or bowels. Second, nicotine is a vascular constrictor ( hope I got the
terms right ), putting a concentrated dosage on your gums and cheek will restrict
blood to that area, and repeatedly doing so, may cause irreversible damage.
-- This last is more about equipment than chemicals. Lithium Ion batts are used
because they provide the most storage capacity for size, and the best ( or the best that
is feasibly applicable ) means of efficient delivery of power. They are still a relatively
new application though. That's why they aren't readily available. Although they are the
best means for our application, they still have a very narrow range of operation, and are
pushed to the limit of that range in most e-cig uses. Our uses demand higher amps and
higher current discharge rates than most equipment that uses these batts. Luckily, it
appears that the mnf's have recognized our needs and are coming out with batts that
are safer ( note I said safer not "safe" ) for our uses. If you are not an EE, or someone
used to designing electronics, that can take into account all the variables of amps, voltage,
and current, please be careful. You could very easily design the next great MOD that gives
you a great vape the first 10 times you use it, then explodes 2" from your face the 11th time.
I am sorry this ran so long, and if you read this far, thank you.
I guess the point I am trying to make is that while vaping is safer than smoking,
it could very easily be abused, and the consequences could be devastating.
Please use a little common sense when trying out new things, and by all means,
do a lot of reading in the ECF library to get a better grasp of this great alternative
for smoking.
Vape on people
