Abandoned?

[JonnyVapΣ]

Makes a dif to me as I can see if and how problems are resolved! With grace or with a mallet!

Zero difference to me for those given reasons. There's no sub-forum for the grocery stores I buy from or the gas stations I get my fuels from. No sub-forums for any of the restaraunts I eat at or...well....anything else I purchase from for that matter.

The fact that vendors here on ECF have sub-forums are a nice little perk but not necessary. Some have turned into little clique hang-outs with more useless jibber jabber than useful information anyway.

 

[SilverBear]

YouTube - Kumbaya My Lord

 

[SilverBear]

YouTube - Kumbaya My Lord

c'mon!... ...EVERYBODY now!!!

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

c'mon!... ...EVERYBODY now!!!

You do know TW's mascot is the Devil, right?








(Disclaimer; this was a JOKE. Fanatacle wierdos need not respond)

 

[medic123]

When can we see a photo of this case. It sounds great!

The tanks will be here in the next 14 days possibly sooner. also watch out for the New Totally wicked Mixing case..Its portable with built in lighting, a 4000Mah battery PCC and 4 charging ports..Plus room for batteries, atomisers, fluids, carts, syringes etc.

 

[FreakyStylie]

Makes no difference whether Totally Wicked has their own sub-forum here or not. People will still discuss the company and their products elsewhere within ECF.

You know, this is about the most sound statement in this thread. There are other suppliers who are not a part of ECF that are more recommended, in the general and new member forums, than actual forum suppliers. It all depends on the quality of the product and service.

 

[Hrtbrkr1965]

Zero difference to me for those given reasons. There's no sub-forum for the grocery stores I buy from or the gas stations I get my fuels from. No sub-forums for any of the restaraunts I eat at or...well....anything else I purchase from for that matter.

The fact that vendors here on ECF have sub-forums are a nice little perk but not necessary. Some have turned into little clique hang-outs with more useless jibber jabber than useful information anyway.

LOL
I can see the product I get at a Grocery store such as meat and produce! If the products look like scrap or crap or the produce looks mushy I know not to buy it! If I ask the Meat guy if he has any more Rib Eyes in the back and he rolls his eyes at me or acts like I have bothered him I will probably look for a place with better customer service! I can make up my own mind on that! I can taste the food I receive when I eat out and see if the place is clean and has good service and can get immediate response from a manager if theres a problem and decide if I want to frequent that place again according to the response I receive right there on the spot as in replacement or refund or if the manager cusses me out for complaining or tries to talk down to me then I can decide and others around me can also! If that manager throws a little whiney hissy fit because I am not happy not only will I not spend my hard earned $'s there I will pass the word on to others to not waste theirs! It's all how it's handled!
These E-cigs are new to most people so should they go blind to the local Kiosk and get ripped off and decide that way or come to the forum and look for reviews and how customer service was handled and try to make a more informed decision?
Yes it's true that I am not yet a customer of TW but if they are not here I won't become one! I have used 3 Vendors since starting this journey and all were based on what iv'e seen and read in these forums! I will not mention these companies in this TW thread as to not be disrespectful and look as if i'm trying to steer people away which I am not!
I have no axe to grind with this company!

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

Yes it's true that I am not yet a customer of TW but if they are not here I won't become one!

And that's your choice.

I've used TW products, as well as a few other vendor's products, before ever coming into TW's sub-forum here on ECF (Before becoming an ECF member!). I'm sure I'm not the minority here. Some of the other vendors don't even have their own sub-forum and my experience with them has been fine. In fact, not one sub-forum has ever persuaded me to buy a product from that sub-forum's owner. Additionally, there is a vendor's sub-forum that has successfully turned me off to buying from them.

 

[Hrtbrkr1965]

And that's your choice.

I've used TW products, as well as a few other vendor's products, before ever coming into TW's sub-forum here on ECF (Before becoming an ECF member!). I'm sure I'm not the minority here. Some of the other vendors don't even have their own sub-forum and my experience with them has been fine. In fact, not one sub-forum has ever persuaded me to buy a product from that sub-forum's owner. Additionally, there is a vendor's sub-forum that has successfully turned me off to buying from them.

I'm so happy for you! Keep on doing what you are doing as it appears you are a huge fan!
The fact that a vendor can come in and delete a thread to keep the reputation level up is the only major flaw I see in the whole sub forum thing! If a member abuses it then it should be up to the ECF moderators to decide if it's valid complaints or user harassment and handle appropriately!
As a trusted Ebay Power Seller with a great reputaion I believe that it is a flawed system when a Seller can delete information critical of them! I can go there and read the feedback and look at what the complaints are and decide if it's the buyer or the seller! If vendors can delete there own bad reviews how many people will be ripped off without having any information to make a decision from? I have many huge differences with ebay but the feedback system is not one of them!
This doesn't have to go on! You are obviously a huge fan and from that I can either decide that your opinion is valid when comparing it to others or I can decide you are the companies cheerleader But at least I have some information to make a decision off of!

 

[Zen~]

I've used TW products, as well as a few other vendor's products, before ever coming into TW's sub-forum here on ECF (Before becoming an ECF member!). I'm sure I'm not the minority here. Some of the other vendors don't even have their own sub-forum and my experience with them has been fine. In fact, not one sub-forum has ever persuaded me to buy a product from that sub-forum's owner. Additionally, there is a vendor's sub-forum that has successfully turned me off to buying from them.

There's one sub forum in particular that reminds me of Jonestown... It's actually creepy. I've posted there and was threatened with harassment charges... Lol... Everybody line up... It's time for koolaid....

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

I'm so happy for you! Keep on doing what you are doing as it appears you are a huge fan!
The fact that a vendor can come in and delete a thread to keep the reputation level up is the only major flaw I see in the whole sub forum thing! If a member abuses it then it should be up to the ECF moderators to decide if it's valid complaints or user harassment and handle appropriately!
As a trusted Ebay Power Seller with a great reputaion I believe that it is a flawed system when a Seller can delete information critical of them! I can go there and read the feedback and look at what the complaints are and decide if it's the buyer or the seller! If vendors can delete there own bad reviews how many people will be ripped off without having any information to make a decision from? I have many huge differences with ebay but the feedback system is not one of them!
This doesn't have to go on! You are obviously a huge fan and from that I can either decide that your opinion is valid when comparing it to others or I can decide you are the companies cheerleader But at least I have some information to make a decision off of!

Well aren't we just quick to judge?
Never claimed to be a "huge fan". In fact, I'm not a "huge fan" of Totally Wicked. I'm not a "huge fan" of any vendor. If I run into a better vendor I go there. If I run into a satisfactory vendor I return. My life is fairly uncomplicated.

 

[5cardstud]

Koolaid? Okay I got mine

. This reminds me of another vendor that went bad on ECF. I mean it's like football, pile on. I never used their products so I can't say one way or the other but I have found usually where there's smoke there's fire........or someone's smoking.

 

[ChaosAffect]

I'm sorry I started this thread. Like I said elsewhere, originally I just wanted to get some answers, and it snowballed.

Pillbox, if you're reading, please just close it out. It's not doing anyone any good. Like I said, I apologize for slurs against you and your business. Hopefully you'll be able to get someone to cover the ECF forum and address concerns before stuff like this happens again.

Happy New Years to Everyone.

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

Pillbox, if you're reading, please just close it out.

I gotta LOL @ that one.....

 

[Zen~]

Run away run away run away....

Nobody rallied to join you, lodzin?

It's a tad bit embarrassing, no?

 

[Chrissie]

Run away run away run away....

Nobody rallied to join you, lodzin?

It's a tad bit embarrassing, no?

Actually no, you are very wrong. Lodzin had a very valid point but just went about it in the wrong way - a tad OTT (sorry Lodzin no offence meant)

I have a lot of respect for Jason (Pillbox) but as he well knows, I would sometimes like to shake him! I think he is a brilliant business man in most ways but can be his own worst enemy.

I bought my very first e-cig from Pillbox via ebay in July 2008. Since then & for the last 2 & a half years I have via, initially my eBay e-cig group, dozens of threads on the eBay community forum & in the last 14 months via my proboard forum, sent many customers TW's way.

However, I was one of the folks that posted on a thread in TW's forum about the Yo-Yo sale ending early - not because of being greedy - far from it. I & others had been trying to help a newbie get a good price for starter kits for himself & his wife. So we had advised him to hang on for a while as the sale still (supposedly) had a couple of days to go. Since reading Jason's reasons for ending the sale early, I can understand why he did so. However, because I got accused of self promoting (a help forum?) the lovely newbie joined TW's forum & posted to defend me. His post got instantly deleted & he was banned .

Link to thread where at the end of page 5 I initially just asked if there was anything that could be done to help a newbie : -

Totally Wickeds: Christmas yo-yo Promo.

As you can imagine, that newbie will now sadly never have anything to do with TW again

 

[Rosco]

Actually no, you are very wrong. Lodzin had a very valid point but just went about it in the wrong way - a tad OTT (sorry Lodzin no offence meant)

I have a lot of respect for Jason (Pillbox) but as he well knows, I would sometimes like to shake him! I think he is a brilliant business man in most ways but can be his own worst enemy.

I bought my very first e-cig from Pillbox via ebay in July 2008. Since then & for the last 2 & a half years I have via, initially my eBay e-cig group, dozens of threads on the eBay community forum & in the last 14 months via my proboard forum, sent many customers TW's way.

However, I was one of the folks that posted on a thread in TW's forum about the Yo-Yo sale ending early - not because of being greedy - far from it. I & others had been trying to help a newbie get a good price for starter kits for himself & his wife. So we had advised him to hang on for a while as the sale still (supposedly) had a couple of days to go. Since reading Jason's reasons for ending the sale early, I can understand why he did so. However, because I got accused of self promoting (a help forum?) the lovely newbie joined TW's forum & posted to defend me. His post got instantly deleted & he was banned .

Link to thread where at the end of page 5 I initially just asked if there was anything that could be done to help a newbie : -

Totally Wickeds: Christmas yo-yo Promo.

As you can imagine, that newbie will now sadly never have anything to do with TW again

This is what they do best. I'm sure pb38 knows what's going on there. It's not only newbies getting banned, just ask capt12b, who had almost 5,000 posts. Banned.

 

[Poeia]

I'm so happy for you! Keep on doing what you are doing as it appears you are a huge fan!
The fact that a vendor can come in and delete a thread to keep the reputation level up is the only major flaw I see in the whole sub forum thing! If a member abuses it then it should be up to the ECF moderators to decide if it's valid complaints or user harassment and handle appropriately!
As a trusted Ebay Power Seller with a great reputaion I believe that it is a flawed system when a Seller can delete information critical of them! I can go there and read the feedback and look at what the complaints are and decide if it's the buyer or the seller! If vendors can delete there own bad reviews how many people will be ripped off without having any information to make a decision from? I have many huge differences with ebay but the feedback system is not one of them!
This doesn't have to go on! You are obviously a huge fan and from that I can either decide that your opinion is valid when comparing it to others or I can decide you are the companies cheerleader But at least I have some information to make a decision off of!

I have never purchased from TW. I might at some point but so far I haven't seen anything on their site that made me say "Oooooh. Gotta get that. Today." So I have no opinion of their products, customer service or sale prices.

With that in mind, I have to say, Hrtbrkr1965, the logic in your post is non-existent. I have no idea why the owner mass-deleted threads, but I'm reasonably certain that eliminating ones named
Resistance Of A Standard TW 510 Atomizer
Impressed with selection
Totally Wicked Evil Weevil. The Ultimate E.smoking Device
Excellent Service!!
or
UK Vapefest - October 23rd Tamworth

were not done to keep their reputation up. In fact, having almost 4 pages of "thread deleted"s probably had the opposite effect. The fact that there is a sub-forum devoted to Reviews of Suppliers as well as numerous places on ECF to post reviews of individual products, ensures that no supplier will be able to use censorship to keep negative opinions of his/her products and services a secret within the forum.

There might be something inherently flawed in a system in which the suppliers' subforums are primarily for "preaching to the converted" — a place where fans of that company can discuss the current and future products, discounts, etc. — while most of the negative views are elsewhere. If so, it is probably due to the explosive growth of this industry in the past year. A set-up that worked for a small group of people all of whom knew each other, is not not necessarily the right solution for a group as diverse as we are now.

While I certainly don't have the answer as to what would work better, I do know that it is unreasonable to expect suppliers to pay for a subforum and then have abuse heaped on them. Legitimate complaints and inquiries belong but the number of "ive-never-bought-from-you-but-someone-i-dont-know-doesnt-like-you-so-i-never-will-because-u-suck-nah-nah-nah" posts on ECF continues to astound me.

 

[Hrtbrkr1965]

Poeia
The search box here is totally useless. A general word or phrase search or company name search comes up with anything from why does hair grow faster on some too Obama jokes! I could sift through pages and pages of posts for many hours or days even trying to find information about a vendor or the answer could actually be here where it belongs! But that can't happen now as the info has been deleted!
I'm sure every answer about vaping to every question ever asked is available right here in these umpteen million threads and posts in the general forums, but how many pages and threads should a person have to sift through just to try and figure out if a vendor is reputable?
Just by looking at this sub forum I could tell that the original poster had posted many threads and an ax to grind which makes me suspicious, and could also tell the vendor answering seems to get ...... off very easily! But of course now people only get a tiny glimpse because they can't look back at the pattern and decide who's right or wrong! They only get to see "ive-never-bought-from-you-but-someone-i-dont-know-doesnt-like-you-so-i-never-will-because-u-suck-nah-nah-nah" posts or the "you are just a stupid person who spent your hard earned $'s with us and and I could give a rats .... if you got screwed doing business with us so screw off" in 1 little tiny piece of the puzzle!.
So for you to say the Logic in my post is non existent pretty much doesn't really change the facts it just makes this thread go on a little longer !
Good Day!

 

[ChaosAffect]

Sigh,

Zen, you do discredit to your name. Unfortunately, I'd get reprimanded if I told you what I should. If you want to talk to me, I'm in the chat room right now.

I wasn't trying to wage a war, so I don't need anyone to 'Rally' to me, though plenty of people expressed agreement if you look back over the thread. The point is, the argument's over, the issue has been addressed.

I'm not running, I'm admitting my mistake. I fell too far away from the middle, which is usually the best place to be.

I don't need to run anywhere. I think I made my point, though badly. I think Pillbox is going to try to get someone to pay attention to this forum, and that, to me, is good customer service.