about religion

[Vaughanie]

ha ha, yes its a miracle thread, no flames here. As for the miracles I can only say that there are things that no one can explain. But the atheists says that there is an explanation that we dont see now, or they say that in future we will have an explanation. Ok if we think that way then miracles will be never miracles or miracles will never believed. This is a stupid way to go I think

I'm not sure that is always the case. Stephen Hawkings is on record, for example, for saying that we should eventually have a unifying theory of the universe provided we don't blow ourselves up in the meantime.

And many people wonder if we will "blow ourselves up" wouldn't you agree?

Although to be fair, Hawkings is more deist/agnostic than theist and strongly denies being an atheist.

Rational atheists just refuse to drop into the "well there must be something supernatural going on" mode of thinking for the gaps in our knowledge.

 

[Stormynights]

I think it would be very sad to not believe in God. As a Christian I can pray about a situation when I feel helpless. What would I do if I was an atheist? When you get overcome with gratitude for something wonderful or beautiful who do you thank. How do you cope with grief if there is no heaven to look forward to.

I think it would take more faith to believe in a big bang theory than to believe in creation. One day there was an explosion and creation just sparked? There is too much order in nature for it to be just a coincidence. To think that life began on its own would mean that there was so order to life.

 

[Vince1]

Hi Stormy, The thing I notice about atheists and gratitude is that they believe they have done everything and as a result they have an overinflated sense of self worth. Not all are like this but the ones I have met seem to elevate themselves to godhood on their own accomplishments. They are usually overachievers because when you believe like this, failure is not an option and when an atheist fails it is a terrible thing to see. they act like one little failure is the end of the world.

This is only the few I have met and I do not believe all are like this, just the annoying cocky ones. I am not referring to anyone on here, just some I have met in person and I have made this observation over several years of knowing them.
They just get so mad when they make a mistake, and it's never their fault, always someone else said or did this or that. They never just say "oops" I screwed up.
I think this mentality keeps them atheist, because they can never admit they made a mistake in something they believe. Being right all the time seems to be the corner stone of their belief, which is actually a profound belief in themselves rather then God.

 

[Vaughanie]

Over grief people have different coping mechanisms - the religious turn to their various faiths, prayer etc. as has already been pointed out. Some atheists would point out it's one reason humans created God and religion i.e. to cope with adversity in life even though atheists would argue this is false comfort. Freud wrote of the projection of a father figure onto the universe for human helplessness that lasts throughout life .

In my own experience of grief, an atheist friend of mine reminded me that "life still goes on" if you like... the sun rises again etc. and although I couldn't really see it at the time, I see a truism in that observance in the fullness of time.

 

[Vince1]

Hahaha, sounds like self exaltation to me.

 

[Moobyghost]

I need that shirt...in a very big size.

 

[Vaughanie]

Hahaha, sounds like self exaltation to me.

Then perhaps you missed the part which said "even though thy powers are limited and you're not always glorious"...

 

[Stormynights]

One thing I have noticed about a lot of atheist is that they have a tendency to try to push their non belief on people more than some radical Christians. I know I just heard about the video and didn't see it. It did sound funny though. This is something I just don't understand at all. I would never be unkind or make fun of an atheist for their non belief. I pray for them. I know this is offensive to them but I don't understand why. If I am just praying to the wind and wasting my time how can they be offended by this? I understand they may think I am stupid to do this but does that make it right to laugh at me and make fun of my beliefs? It is nearly impossible to change peoples opinions on politics.You certainly can't by arguing. How on earth could anyone think there would be any point in arguing religion?

 

[imeothanasis]

This post is not an answer to you Vaug but for the atheists, so:


"Give us this day new insight to help us"

Is that means something? Why you ask for help even from yourself? You need help? why? You are the God here. You feel wick? Why, you are the God here. You see your mistake and you think "I could have done it better". Why, you are the God here. .

God make us like him external, but we must try to be like him internal. I am laughing to this pray. Atheists are maybe good people as bad some Christians are, but if they are like Vince says they are funny people.

Have you notice how funny is a man who thinks that he cant make a mistake or if he does one how funny reacts to this? How funny is a man who cant say sorry?

I dont see any God here, I only see 2 kind of people. Men who wants to be Gods and men who wants to be with God. I strongly believes that the second one will be Gods as a part of God.

 

[Vaughanie]

Oh my science! <w>

The joke about the door to door atheist is that he was a one off. In actuality we don’t see an army of door to door to atheists banging on peoples’ front doors on Saturday morning trying to convert people unlike the army of mormons and Jehovah's witnesses who proselytise their beliefs in this manner as do many other local parishes and churches worldwide in this approach to evangelism.

We don’t have atheist street “preachers” on the corners of our city streets with megaphones reading quotes from “the Origin of Species” etc. We don’t have atheist missionaries traveling to small villages in Africa presenting the evidence for the argument for the non-existance of God (s).

I don’t think atheists themselves escape from being laughed at or worse pariahed and socially ostracised.

Over prayer, I’m not sure it is offence (arguments about prayer in schools aside) , more often atheists simply point to the evidence of the futility of prayer. Despite the fact that there is compelling scientific evidence that healing prayer is ineffective, of course billions of people still turn to prayer at the first sign of distress.. The belief in the healing power of prayer seems to be based on little more than communal reinforcement and selective thinking.

It would still be a duller world if we didn’t debate politics and religion. But yes, generally speaking we’re more likely to change our minds over science not religion and politics.

Sakis an atheist who believed themselves to be God - that's an oxymoron if ever I heard one lol!

 

[Stormynights]

Oh my science! <w>

The joke about the door to door atheist is that he was a one off. In actuality we don’t see an army of door to door to atheists banging on peoples’ front doors on Saturday morning trying to convert people unlike the army of mormons and Jehovah's witnesses who proselytise their beliefs in this manner as do many other local parishes and churches worldwide in this approach to evangelism.

We don’t have atheist street “preachers” on the corners of our city streets with megaphones reading quotes from “the Origin of Species” etc. We don’t have atheist missionaries traveling to small villages in Africa presenting the evidence for the argument for the non-existance of God (s).

I don’t think atheists themselves escape from being laughed at or worse pariahed and socially ostracised.

Over prayer, I’m not sure it is offence (arguments about prayer in schools aside) , more often atheists simply point to the evidence of the futility of prayer. Despite the fact that there is compelling scientific evidence that healing prayer is ineffective, of course billions of people still turn to prayer at the first sign of distress.. The belief in the healing power of prayer seems to be based on little more than communal reinforcement and selective thinking.

It would still be a duller world if we didn’t debate politics and religion. But yes, generally speaking we’re more likely to change our minds over science not religion and politics.

Sakis an atheist who believed themselves to be God - that's an oxymoron if ever I heard one lol!

If atheist had a holiday I don't think anyone would mind. It would be our choice to celebrate it or not. Christmas is a Christian holiday. If you are not a Christian you don't have to celebrate it. I don't understand why some want to take our holiday. We should be able to display a star and say Merry Christmas.

 

[Vaughanie]

If atheist had a holiday I don't think anyone would mind. It would be our choice to celebrate it or not. Christmas is a Christian holiday. If you are not a Christian you don't have to celebrate it. I don't understand why some want to take our holiday. We should be able to display a star and say Merry Christmas.

You have provision under rights under federal law and the 1st ammendment over saying "Merry Christmas" in the public and private workplace to my knowledge if that's what you're alluding to. So employers in the U.S. who make such restrictions can have cases made against them.

I'm sure some workers don't want to take that holiday but are as good as forced to since the business they work for closes on that day.

 

[imeothanasis]

Oh my science! <w>It would still be a duller world if we didn’t debate politics and religion. But yes, generally speaking we’re more likely to change our minds over science not religion and politics.

I totally agree Vaug. I hate politics because they are fat pigs who take care themselfs only, and I hate religion as the people have made it. I hate stupid pope who is infallible, I hate priests who say BS to people and they are unkindness, I hate church because you go there and you dont understand what the priests says because the language is ancient Greek and I hate so many things about all this stuff.

I just believe to Jesus and his kindness and what He represents, and I believe that a good man is a good man whatever is his religion, and a bad man is a bad man even if he is christian or anything else.

Now I can take an GG inhale with my 7,2 volt

 

[Vaughanie]

You might then appreciate this website

Atheists for Jesus

It's for people who appreciate the Sermon on the Mount and the kindness I think you allude to but who aren't really into following Paul.

 

[imeothanasis]

You might then appreciate this website

Atheists for Jesus

It's for people who appreciate the Sermon on the Mount and the kindness I think you allude to but who aren't really into following Paul.

Thanks Vaug, but its too big and dificult for my english. I will go better sleep

But being a good person is more important than religion. Religion is for support when things goes wrong, so the best religion is this that will give you this support. This one is Jesus for me, no one else.

 

[Vince1]

Hi guys, Vaughanie, I didn't mean to offend. My comment about self exaltation was not about the content of the prayer but the fact that someone is saying a prayer to their self.

I think this may have been the point Sakis was making earlier.

"A man that prayeth to himself seeketh to make himself god"

Was the shirt meant totally as a joke? Sometimes some humor escapes me, lol.

 

[grimmer255]

I think religion is something that should be used as a source for your own internal beliefs. And for those who share your beliefs get together and support one another. But I dont believe religion should be used as a tool or weapon to force others into believing in your particular beliefs.

I dont take my life for granted. I dont believe there is one particular order to things. I believe that there are accidents in life....but at the same time I believe they happen for a reason or sometimes they dont. But my reasoning comes from reading philosophy, reading stories, life changing experiences, humor, reading about many religions, and science. I believe that there is a chance for anything to happen....And I love to discover those things when it does.

 

[Vaughanie]

Hi guys, Vaughanie, I didn't mean to offed. My comment about self exaltation was not about the content of the prayer but the fact that someone is saying a prayer to their self.

I think this may have been the point Sakis was making earlier.

"A man that prayeth to himself seeketh to make himself god"

Was the shirt meant totally as a joke? Sometimes some humor escapes me, lol.

No worries... haven't been offended all the way thru this thread. In fact, I was commenting earlier in the thread that it was great that there hasn't been any flaming over this subject. As we commonly know religion is something that often can cause rancour between people.

I've come across atheist prayers before - Just thought I'd post this one for discussion. So I don't know if the original wearer thought of this as a joke. I somehow doubt it though since it still has a serious tone?

We don't know if this atheist prayer has ever been used literally as prayer. We only know it's been authored then written on a t shirt. IMHO I suspect that atheist prayers have been authored more as a device to encourage people to think.

 

[Vince1]

I had always heard that atheists "didn't have a prayer". Hahahaha....... I kid, I kid.

 

[Judge Mental]

The one consistent doctrine that spans most religions and belief systems is forgiveness.