Hey all,
So really new to vaping (day 4) and into it so far. Thinking about going the DIY route and making a list with tfa (due to value and shipping costs; I'm overseas for a little while and the prices for local juice is ridiculous- average of $35 for juice!)
I've been reading up on the diketone thing and, while I'm kinda in love with the bakery and buttery flavors I have atm, I'm not sure if I want to keep on with something that *potentially* could be worse than smoking (I usually do rolled tobacco, so no worries about diacetyl addition there).
At the moment, I'm thinking that while I want to avoid diacetyl (for obvious reasons) and acetyl propionyl (due to the apparently similar geometry to/effects of diacetyl), acetoin might be relatively safe (or safer).
My reasoning- Assuming that acetoin doesn't harm lung tissue, then the only concern would be acetoin becoming diacetyl. If memory serves me correctly, conditions of high pH (ie basic) might might act as a catalyst (since a basic solution would be H+ hungry and would be more likely to steal and *keep* the hydrogen from the -OH group in acetoin), but from the look of it, PG's seems to be relatively neutral and vaping (adding heat) would lower pH. If this is the case, then the chance that acetoin becoming diacetyl is minimal. (And this is all conjecture and, like, I have no idea how the differing molecules found with the ingredients in varying flavors would react with the acetoin, so...)
Thoughts?
I've already removed the (probably delicious) flavoring with acetyl propionyl and am mulling whether or not I should clear out the acetoin-containing ingredients, too. Ergh.
So really new to vaping (day 4) and into it so far. Thinking about going the DIY route and making a list with tfa (due to value and shipping costs; I'm overseas for a little while and the prices for local juice is ridiculous- average of $35 for juice!)
I've been reading up on the diketone thing and, while I'm kinda in love with the bakery and buttery flavors I have atm, I'm not sure if I want to keep on with something that *potentially* could be worse than smoking (I usually do rolled tobacco, so no worries about diacetyl addition there).
At the moment, I'm thinking that while I want to avoid diacetyl (for obvious reasons) and acetyl propionyl (due to the apparently similar geometry to/effects of diacetyl), acetoin might be relatively safe (or safer).
My reasoning- Assuming that acetoin doesn't harm lung tissue, then the only concern would be acetoin becoming diacetyl. If memory serves me correctly, conditions of high pH (ie basic) might might act as a catalyst (since a basic solution would be H+ hungry and would be more likely to steal and *keep* the hydrogen from the -OH group in acetoin), but from the look of it, PG's seems to be relatively neutral and vaping (adding heat) would lower pH. If this is the case, then the chance that acetoin becoming diacetyl is minimal. (And this is all conjecture and, like, I have no idea how the differing molecules found with the ingredients in varying flavors would react with the acetoin, so...)
Thoughts?
I've already removed the (probably delicious) flavoring with acetyl propionyl and am mulling whether or not I should clear out the acetoin-containing ingredients, too. Ergh.