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Superstargoddess

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Perfectly reasonable for ACLU to step in. I wouldn't want my child to be exposed to this type of pressure. The teachers are in a position of authority and have influence on kids. I'd want my children to be influenced by my church and my beliefs, not by religion of some high-school principal.

Either way, some of the people that I know would argue that is what is wrong with kids these days, their lack of morals started by the downfall of religion in this country. I am not sure of my opinion on this, but I don't think that it's going to kill some child or make them freak out to have a prayer before a lunch. Hell, when I was back in elementary school, we had to salute the flag and say that one thing every day, but they don't even do that anymore. That didn't hurt me at all. And back when I was in school, they could paddle you, but they don't do that anymore.

What is your church and beliefs? Are you of a nonbasic denomination? I'm not sure what I believe in now, but I know that growing up I was United Methodist Christian, seemed about the same as all of the other basic branches of that kind.
 

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Either way, some of the people that I know would argue that is what is wrong with kids these days, their lack of morals started by the downfall of religion in this country. I am not sure of my opinion on this, but I don't think that it's going to kill some child or make them freak out to have a prayer before a lunch. Hell, when I was back in elementary school, we had to salute the flag and say that one thing every day, but they don't even do that anymore. That didn't hurt me at all. And back when I was in school, they could paddle you, but they don't do that anymore.

What is your church and beliefs? Are you of a nonbasic denomination? I'm not sure what I believe in now, but I know that growing up I was United Methodist Christian, seemed about the same as all of the other basic branches of that kind.

It is MY responsibility to instruct MY children in religious matters, not a public school or public school teachers.

I personally think the problem isn't the schools so much as it is parents who aren't taking responsibility for raising their children.

And, yes, I am a Christian . . . born and raised United Methodist.

But this topic has drifted a bit. :)
 
ACLU will not do anything unless they get to promote their agenda.

Theodore Roosevelt was a republicain, and he pushed for socialized healthcare.

End of the day both partys only screw us over, they keep us bickering over little trival things so they can further the stripping of our liberty.

The FDA should only be allowed to verify the ingredients and the quality of the product, instead they pass moral judgements and slap our hands as we reach for the cookie jar. The panels on the FDA consist of short timers and they are only there looking for a payday.

Now the control freaks have decided that by taxes and regulation they can modify our choices. We let them do it with drinking, so no one will step up when they come for us.

As for school pray, the ACLU only did it to further the typical marxist agenda of God hate. One of his goals is the destruction of religion, so as to make the government the highest power. Never will the ACLU ever in a million years protect a right. No laws are ever made to give people more choices but only to restrict. That was the whole idea of limited government, to stop them from trying to gain power, to bad it only last about 50 years.
 

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WTH...predisposition to nicotine in our genes? This even surpasses the "nicotine madness" hyperbole in the media. Sorry to disagree so indelicately but this type of rhetoric can not be ignored lest we bear idiotic addicted children helpless to the coding of their genes to a drug. This theory was formed to make addicts feel better. I'm not an addict I simply enjoy smoking nicotine. Is it nature or nurture? This is one of the oldest and unanswerable questions on this planet.:confused:
Actually it HAS been pretty well answered. If you don't metabolize nicotine in a certain way - fairly largely determined by genetics - you won't get a strong pleasurable effect from it and therefore are unlikely to repeat the activity.
 

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OK not sure if anyone did this yet. I shot off a short email to see what the ACLU would consider a violation of civil liberties where this is concerned... pointing out test ..etc... death rates from cigs.. etc... lets see what they have to say.

OK just received notification that my email has been received andthey will notify me if they need additional info.. Can take up to 6 weeks. Anyone tried this before?
 
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It is MY responsibility to instruct MY children in religious matters, not a public school or public school teachers.

I personally think the problem isn't the schools so much as it is parents who aren't taking responsibility for raising their children.

And, yes, I am a Christian . . . born and raised United Methodist.

But this topic has drifted a bit. :)

I agree with what you say, it's sad that a lot of parents aren't teaching their children the right thing though. I know that it's probably going to sound odd what I am about to say, since I am a female, but... I think that the feminism movement ruined everything in the country.

Men won't man up (not all of the time, but some of the time) and let their wives stay at home and raise the children while they get a good job. It's fine that some ladies want to be career women or whatever, but really there needs to be someone at home to take care of the kids. If you'll notice, the quality of the childrens lives seemed to go downhill a while after all of that hullabaloo started.

All of the hippies in the 70's and children basically being alone all of the time, nobody to talk to and teach them the right thing. That's why the children shoot up the schools nowadays, nobody is there to watch them and tell them what to do. People are so concerned with the trying to make ends meet thing that it's difficult for them. Now if only 50% of those people were working, there wouldn't be as much unemployment as there is right now.

I have some crazy ideas sometimes, I blame it on my mental illness, but if you really think about it- it really does make sense. My friend was luckily able to have a father who went to college and worked when he was a baby. (His father got a degree in Biology and has had a very nice job since then) His mother never had to work, she didn't work until her kids were all grown up. And my friend has one of the best sets of morals and decency that I have ever seen. And I contribute that to his mother always being there to take care of him and his younger sister.

Sorry if I have offended anyone with my hypothesis on the matter, but I'm pretty open with my crazyness and like to share ideas that maybe other people haven't even thought about before. To all of those career women out there, good for you. I am not saying that everyone that has a family of two working parents are bad parents, please do not take it that way. Some people turn out alright no matter what, but I think that in general, the problem is that the kids don't have anyone to watch them or talk to them.

I have lived with my grandmother all of my life since my mother is... well, she's... she has issues. My grandmother kept me on a very short leash all of my life, even after my grandfather died when I was 10 years old. However, by the time he started to get really ill, she was able to quit her job and be on retirement, as well as his retirement. So she has always been here for me to watch me.

My brother however, lived with my real mother 100 miles from here. My mother has not worked a lot of her life, due to a rare kidney disease, but she has been sick and wasn't able to watch my brother as close as she should have. Anyway, he died a few years ago at age 31 or around that, from a drug overdose (in her residence). It just shows you that not having that parent there to pay attention, talk to you, and watch over you can lead to very bad things.
 
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