ACSH - A Friend Of The Court

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sierranighttide

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Thought people may be interestd in this.

From the American Council on Science and Health webste


"ACSH is joining several public health and interest groups as an amicus, or friend of the court, to appeal the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) decision to treat e-cigarettes as drug delivery systems rather than as tobacco products. E-cigarettes are a recently developed nicotine alternative that mimics tobacco smoking without the inhalation or emission of the harmful tobacco combustion products that come from smoking cigarettes.

In January, the FDA tried to block the importation and sale of the e-cigarette because they consider it an unapproved drug delivery system. The e-cigarette marketers, NJoy and Smoking Everywhere, are currently appealing an injunction that would prevent e-cigarette vendors from continuing to import and sell them.

"ACSH agrees with the e-cigarette companies who argue that the FDA should regulate their e-cigarettes as tobacco products, which ironically would subject them to the less stringent FDA standards for tobacco products. The basis for this," explains ACSH’s Jeff Stier, "is that the Congress, in trying to give FDA broad authority, defined 'tobacco products' as any product derived from tobacco. And the nicotine in e-cigarettes comes from the best source of nicotine: the tobacco plant."

“Ironically, one of the key benefits of e-cigarettes is that they are not tobacco, yet we are simply holding the FDA to their own standard and are doing so to give addicted cigarette smokers a less harmful alternative," stated ACSH’s Dr. Gilbert Ross."
 

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Excellent!

The American Council on Science and Health (ACSH) describes itself as "a consumer education consortium concerned with issues related to food, nutrition, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, lifestyle, the environment and health. ACSH is an independent, nonprofit, tax-exempt organization. The nucleus of ACSH is a board of 350 physicians, scientists and policy advisors - experts in a wide variety of fields - who review the Council's reports and participate in ACSH seminars, press conferences, media communications and other educational activities. ACSH was founded in 1978 by a group of scientists who had become concerned that many important public policies related to health and the environment did not have a sound scientific basis. These scientists created the organization to add reason and balance to debates about public health issues and bring common sense views to the public."
American Council on Science and Health - SourceWatch
 
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I don't really see this as being a completely bad thing in the long run. Since the drug that's being delivered is one that is legal and actually marketed by ecigs major enemies (big tobacco and big pharma) the worst I can see happening is that juice sellers may end up being regulated by the FDA. If I was a Tastyvapor or a Johnson creek I'd be looking into becoming Qualified for a pharmaceutical license.
 

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I don't really see this as being a completely bad thing in the long run. Since the drug that's being delivered is one that is legal and actually marketed by ecigs major enemies (big tobacco and big pharma) the worst I can see happening is that juice sellers may end up being regulated by the FDA. If I was a Tastyvapor or a Johnson creek I'd be looking into becoming Qualified for a pharmaceutical license.

But they are advocating ecigs be classified as tobacco products...

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Isn't that niiiiiiiiiiiice!
FDA going to announce anything right now?? Time for some new anti-smoking nicotine promotions?
Voltaire, if the choice is one or the other, I'd say this one least intrusive ~ What do you think. Can FDA claim any domain or not either way depending how this goes? I just don't know, I'm asking, respectfully.
 
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In my layman opinion, e-cigs are delivering nicotine the same way that analogs are, but without the actual combustion of the source. What does it matter if an E-cig doesn't use the entire tobacco leaf? If an Ecig is a nicotine delivery device, so is snuff and chewing tobacco. Contrary to the advertising slogans we have heard over the years, tobacco doesn't taste good and we wouldn't smoke it if it weren't addictive. So, cigarettes must be a nicotine delivery device for the masses. That statement has been said (to the detriment of their FDA case) by one of the higher ranking officers of BT.

Be sure and take a look at "Excerpts from the memo" at the bottom of the page.
http://ash.org/pr/951201.html

Any tobacco product could be deemed a nicotine delivery device, were the courts to decide that was the case. The BT settlement hinged on whether cigarettes were "a tobacco product" or a "nicotine delivery device". My suspicion is that BT has a stake in the outcome of the seizure of Ecigs at the importation point. There's a reason that the FDA acted and I'm not sure that it was on the behalf of the health of the American public. If that was the case, they could have tested the juices and the "delivery device" and found something besides "children might be attracted to the fruit and candy flavors" and "they contain a chemical that is found in anti-freeze". If that's all the bad that they could muster out of a laboratory analysis, then someone in charge should have some explaining to do.
 
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voltaire

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Isn't that niiiiiiiiiiiice!
FDA going to announce anything right now?? Time for some new anti-smoking nicotine promotions?
Voltaire, if the choice is one or the other, I'd say this one least intrusive ~ What do you think. Can FDA claim any domain or not either way depending how this goes? I just don't know, I'm asking, respectfully.

Ecigs being classified as tobacco products is undoubtedly better than being classified as drug delivery devices.

In my layman opinion, e-cigs are delivering nicotine the same way that analogs are, but without the actual combustion of the source. What does it matter if an E-cig doesn't use the entire tobacco leaf? If an Ecig is a nicotine delivery device, so is snuff and chewing tobacco. Contrary to the advertising slogans we have heard over the years, tobacco doesn't taste good and we wouldn't smoke it if it weren't addictive. So, cigarettes must be a nicotine delivery device for the masses. That statement has been said (to the detriment of their FDA case) by one of the higher ranking officers of BT.

Be sure and take a look at "Excerpts from the memo" at the bottom of the page.
THE NEWEST SECRET TOBACCO-INDUSTRY MEMO

You're not confusing ACSH for ASH are you?
 

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Voltaire wrote:
You're not confusing ACSH for ASH are you?


No, I was just commenting on the fact that the case could go either way considering that there are condemning statements by tobacco executives who state both cases in their comments. The worst thing that could come out of the ruling is that Ecigs could be classified as drug delivery devices and declared to be pharmaceutical in nature, which could result in control by the FDA, requiring a doctor's prescription to buy.

We would then be forced to quit or accept some watered down "all in one" Ecig throwaway device that delivered nicotine with some standard yucky tasting flavor that a pharmaceutical company decided that most people would like. The vapor would probably smell like Febreze.
 

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Voltaire wrote:
You're not confusing ACSH for ASH are you?

No, I was just commenting on the fact that the case could go either way considering that there are condemning statements by tobacco executives who state both cases in their comments. The worst thing that could come out of the ruling is that Ecigs could be classified as drug delivery devices and declared to be pharmaceutical in nature, which could result in control by the FDA, requiring a doctor's prescription to buy.

We would then be forced to quit or accept some watered down "all in one" Ecig throwaway device that delivered nicotine with some standard yucky tasting flavor that a pharmaceutical company decided that most people would like. The vapor would probably smell like Febreze.

I wish they would just go away and leave us alone. They just want a way to control these things so they can make money off of them or tax the crap out of it.

In my state everytime the gov needs more money, they raise cigarette taxes. I'm sure thats whats this is about.
 

madcow

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madcow, that's so true...just be glad they haven't thought of a special toilet paper tax, I mean! That could really cause a frenzy.
I think we're all getting very BG weary, I know I have. I can feel myself getting more synical all the time, unless that's just from old age! Maybe both.

I have been waiting for years for that toilet paper tax. I know its gonna happen. LOL

P.S. Click the link in my sig. Its a cool song that will put you in a happy place.
 
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madcow

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It is just a matter of time before they tax this. Then maybe They;ll go after herb. We'll have to pay - maybe they'll give a credit for walking instead of driving? Nah, never mind ...
Maybe they will come up with a nosepicking tax. You know those people that drive and pick at the same time? Oh wait, not a tax but a ticket like driving while using your cell phone.:laugh:

NO PUBLIC PICKING! lol
 
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