Yes, for simplicity, decent vapor, couple of 808 batts and prefilled cartos are a nice intro. I recommend them often, particularly to people who just don't care about "best", they want a "good enough" without hassle.
Advice on what to buy for newcomers
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Hey bud! haven't seen you in a bit man 8)
nothing much. foaming at the mouth for my shipment to come in. my girlfriend got me 4 HV 306's and 2 LR 306's and a crapton of eliquid for christmas 8)
I saw the present and i said "What, no helix? ......." kidding lol
Wow, nice haul! I'm waiting on the postman myself atm. got a bunch of Ikenvape stuff coming and enough Awesome Vapor RY4 to last a few months lol. Anyway sorry for hijacking I just wanted to jump in and say hi there! Now get back to whatever it was you were so avidly yapping about.
Yeah while we are on the subject of newbies and what newbies need. I got my mom and Ego kit for christmas and another family member. they both complained about the little vapor and the juice in the mouth, so i immediately (like a saint) handed them both my last LR 306's and delrin drip tips. they both threw them on their Ego batteries and were in heaven.
I've been using this old LR 510 atty while i wait patiently for my replacements.
Damn... now i'm thinking i should have gotten them kr808 kits. that would have definately been a better experience. grrrr i didnt think..
I respect that it's your opinion, but I don't agree with it at all.
As I have stated before, the eGo vapes EXACTLY like a 510, with the exception of battery life they are essentially the same. When a new vaper wants to experience a GREAT vape on a budget, I often suggest a couple 510 batteries, a charger and a box of Boge LR Cartos... if they shop well, that's all of about 33 bucks. I give them a bottle of juice usually.
It's a GREAT vape for the money, and they have the analog looking device they crave. And they ALL quit smoking.
When they want to move up, I have showed people the eGo and Box Mods... when given the choice based on performance alone, they move up to a 14500 box mod.
The difference here, is that face to face, I show them a couple options and let THEM decide. I ended up selling off my eGos in the classifieds here because when faced with the choice of Box or eGo, they ALWAYS preferred the box... Of course they had the choice to actually TASTE and experience, instead of looking at pictures and listening to descriptions.
The proof is in the performance and if you honestly can't tell the difference between an eGo and a 14500 or larger mod... there's something wrong with your atty/carto or juice... because the difference is FAR from subtle.
And Karl from the mail room might not be vaping a box at my office, but Kyle from Tech Support is, John from Outreach did, until he got a ProVari and we have others here on 510 batteries with 2.0 ohm cartos.
If people are given the chance to experience the difference, the eGo is RARELY the first choice.
I never confuse long battery life with good performance. I would rather change batteries 35 times a day than use an eGo for even 5 minutes.
You will NEVER convince me otherwise, and I will never stop bringing it up because at the heart of the matter... MOST people (not all) that I have seen suggesting the eGo have little to no experience with superior devices.
The eGo is a cheap, long lasting mediocre PV. EVERYBODY deserves the opportunity to experience better performance.
They will be fine. I gave my dad my Ego back in October with a bunch of Boge LR cartos. he like those ok until I gave him a Cisco LR 510 and a tip to try. Now all he does is drip.
Have you used a KR808? At least with that, you're vaping at 3.7v and the flavor is THE BOMB! An 808 flat out KILLS an eGo with regard to EVERYTHING except battery life.
If enough people told everyone to dump ejuice into their gas tanks and vape their tail pipes for the "best vape evaaaaahhhhh!!!11", some would do it. The survivors would go on to tell more people and even more people would do it.
I own a Harley. Since I own a Harley and love it that means it's the best bike on the planet. Everyone should own a Harley. Noobs can start off on a little sportbike but they just suck. Save your money and buy a Harley. Nothing outperforms a Harley.
I own 5 GM vehicles. I love my GM vehicles. They're the best vehicles ever! Everyone should own a GM since they're the best. Why waste your time and money buying anything else? A GM will pick up your kids and haul your groceries better than any other car/truck on the market. I know this because I only own GMs.
Buy a house. You people living in apartments or mobile homes don't know what you're missing. You cannot possibly live happily in a little apartment or mobile home. I love my house! Don't waste your time in an apartment anymore. It's not good enough to live in! The bigger, the BETTER!
Why do people walk around in flip-flops? Flip-flops hurt my feet. I don't like them and can't imagine anyone else actually liking them. There's nothing to them. Skip the flip-flops and buy a good pair of boots! You can walk through just about anything and they won't fall off your feet! Best footwear evah!! Don't waste your money on a flap of foam with a strap.
iPhones suck. I have a Droid. It's the best phone out there and everyone should have a Droid. My Droid has been awesome for me since day one. I can't believe I ever used anything else (because it didn't friggin exist). Everyone should own a Droid because nothing else out there can do what it does!
Anyone who drinks coffee should drink Folgers brand coffee. It's the best! I've been drinking it for as long as I can remember. And make sure it's not decaf! Decaf sucks! I've always had Folgers coffee and it's always been good to me. I admit, I've never had any other brand or type of coffee but I've read somewhere that other people love Folgers coffee as well. It must be the best! I got my brother to try it and now he loves it! Proof that Folgers is the best coffee out there!
That crap sounds ridiculous doesn't it?
Back to the Topic;
If someone asks for something specific, answer their question first. If you don't have a relevant answer then there is no obligation to click the 'Reply' button. No harm in throwing your opinion in there but some people around here seem to see their opinion as fact, even when they have zero experience with what the original poster is asking about.
I own a Harley. Since I own a Harley and love it that means it's the best bike on the planet. Everyone should own a Harley. Noobs can start off on a little sportbike but they just suck. Save your money and buy a Harley. Nothing outperforms a Harley.
I own 5 GM vehicles. I love my GM vehicles. They're the best vehicles ever! Everyone should own a GM since they're the best. Why waste your time and money buying anything else? A GM will pick up your kids and haul your groceries better than any other car/truck on the market. I know this because I only own GMs.
Buy a house. You people living in apartments or mobile homes don't know what you're missing. You cannot possibly live happily in a little apartment or mobile home. I love my house! Don't waste your time in an apartment anymore. It's not good enough to live in! The bigger, the BETTER!
Why do people walk around in flip-flops? Flip-flops hurt my feet. I don't like them and can't imagine anyone else actually liking them. There's nothing to them. Skip the flip-flops and buy a good pair of boots! You can walk through just about anything and they won't fall off your feet! Best footwear evah!! Don't waste your money on a flap of foam with a strap.
iPhones suck. I have a Droid. It's the best phone out there and everyone should have a Droid. My Droid has been awesome for me since day one. I can't believe I ever used anything else (because it didn't friggin exist). Everyone should own a Droid because nothing else out there can do what it does!
Anyone who drinks coffee should drink Folgers brand coffee. It's the best! I've been drinking it for as long as I can remember. And make sure it's not decaf! Decaf sucks! I've always had Folgers coffee and it's always been good to me. I admit, I've never had any other brand or type of coffee but I've read somewhere that other people love Folgers coffee as well. It must be the best! I got my brother to try it and now he loves it! Proof that Folgers is the best coffee out there!
That crap sounds ridiculous doesn't it?
Back to the Topic;
If someone asks for something specific, answer their question first. If you don't have a relevant answer then there is no obligation to click the 'Reply' button. No harm in throwing your opinion in there but some people around here seem to see their opinion as fact, even when they have zero experience with what the original poster is asking about.
Oh no no no i don't use an ego anymore. I use an omega now. I gave my ego to a friend as a gift. I have someone who i used to work with rave about the 808's and it sorta pisses me off i didnt go with that kit to start with.
I'm definately going to look into it though because I have only read great things about them.
I all fairness comparing a box mod with a standard carto to a ego with an LR is probably not a fair comparison....but run a cisco 2.0 on a 3.7..thats a nice vape.
You totally right. That's my fault for doing that. These are all different vapes and comparing them is dumb. a poly fill carto vape vs dripping and box mod vs Ego vs Pip mod vs standard kit is all not comparible. Experience them all and come to your own conclusion. BUT 3.7 with an 18650 IN MY OPINION with an LR 306 is no different then a ego 3.7 with an LR 306. that is just my opinion. the only difference is battery life. the heat from the liquid is the exact same IN MY OPINION.
Yeah, it's too bad that flagreek thinks the eGo is a 3.7v device... It is NOT... it's 3.2 unloaded and nearly 3.0 with a load on it...
But to come at it from the other side....sometimes an ego is a perfect device to recommend. I have them and still use them from time to time. If someone has a standard 510 and the only gripe is battery life...then yea the ego is great...if someone has the blu and the only gripe is battery life and they want a more vapor but not warm vapor, but don't want to deal with an external charger...then yea an inferno is awesome...I love the little cones on them for dripping keeps everything clean looking. I think the front charge usb inferno/ego batteries are the most convenient way to charge a unit ever.
If I am going to the grocery store/hardware store/ then run by a friends house to drop off some juice...then an ego and one 2.0 cartomizer gets me through all that no problem...
The thing is its one device among many, not the end all of devices. I am sure by mid 2011 this will be moot anyway as china will have brought out newer and better and mod prices will go down slightly (you can already get some really good mods for what some ego's still cost)
If I am going to the grocery store/hardware store/ then run by a friends house to drop off some juice...then an ego and one 2.0 cartomizer gets me through all that no problem...
The thing is its one device among many, not the end all of devices. I am sure by mid 2011 this will be moot anyway as china will have brought out newer and better and mod prices will go down slightly (you can already get some really good mods for what some ego's still cost)
I see you like to argue LOL I never checked my old ego batteries but i can tell you now one of my friends ran a multimeter on his and it was most definately not 3.2 under loaded. infact hot off the charger it was closer to 4.0.
here is another article to back that up.
Now in terms of MAH you are correct but the voltage is around 3.7 to 3.8 hot off the charger.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/jantyworld/91001-ego-voltage.html
now this is not to say it runs as well as an 18650 IDENTICALLY. I realize that hot off the charge unloaded an 18650 is around 4.3 4.4 volts. And maybe it's just my pallit but with an LR atomizer i tell no difference between the two based on .2 or .3 volts. none what so ever.
Again, this is just me.
Ah... nope.
Read the entire thread and make sure you read the posts by Scottbee... He's the repair tech for many of the midwest suppliers... every other post in the thread was conjecture, or nonsense.
If I put an eGo battery on a free harbor freight Volt Meter, it actually reads over 4 volts. On my Simpson (a certified and respected piece of test equipment) it reads a MAX of 3.2... with no load. Under load... if drops a lot.
The Joye eGo is a 3.2v device by its very nature as is the stock and mega 510. I mean, I'm not making this stuff up. You are spitting out stuff you have read in a forum which is in many cases not true... I KNOW you believe it... but that doesn't MATTER if it's not true!
When I said "it's 3.2 unloaded and nearly 3.0 with a load on it..." it's because it's a measurable and provable fact! It's not conjecture, and I am absolutely not talking above my Pay Grade...
Here's the deal... you can spout off stuff you read in the threads of ecf that may or may not be correct, or you can do the research yourself. So far, the stuff you've read and cited as example is as far off base as the feeling that an eGo is superior to ANYTHING except in the area of battery life.
As I've said before, it is what it is, and if it barks like a dog and smells like a dog... odds are it's a dog. Plain and simple.
Back on topic... the OP said we should pay attention to what a newb is asking for and NOT jump in with "get an eGo" in spite of their requests. You NOW seem to feel the 808 may be a better suggestion (and in general, I agree because an 808 IS a 3.7v device) but in the spirit of the OP... we should make NO suggestion that doesn't fit the STATED neededs of the newb. We should NOT push the eGo on a casual smoker looking for an analog looking device. (or anybody for that matter)
I'm really unclear as to why you are getting so agressive. I've stated i've had a friend that has shown on his multimeter under loaded it was 3.8 to 3.9 fully charged. I've also seen this in video explanation. Yes, an 18650 is going to be higher voltage. But underloaded at 3.8 to 3.9 and throwing on a atty I THINK it's not going to drop it down by nearly a volt. Infact, if memory serves, when he throw on an atomizer and rant it again it only dropped it down by .2 or max .3. Again, I realize there is a difference in voltage between the two, I was simply stating that based on my taste and feel, there was no difference in heat or throat hit or vapor production that was dramatic enough for me to prefer one over the other. My omega def lasts longer than the Ego i had and it's awesome i can crank it to 6volts but the point i was making was i saw and felt no real difference.
This is a casual conversation and getting agressive when i've simply stated my opinion seems a bit unfair.
I even agreed that based on what you'd told me that an 808 seemed like a better fit for a new vaporer. Why your getting so defensive is beyond me.
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