FWIW....in our line of business, misinformation gets people killed. It's hard to turn that off sometimes.
Advice on what to buy for newcomers
- Thread starter xg4bx
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
- Status
FWIW....in our line of business, misinformation gets people killed. It's hard to turn that off sometimes.
JonnyVapΣ;2388453 said:
talking about an Ego with an LR atty won't get anyone killed. nor will over estimating the voltage on a battery to an atomizer. the danger is when you under estimate it.
I wasn't looking to fight i was just chiming in a conversation. Sorry if i offended anyone.
I'll be the first to admit I don't know jack about electronics, but if I'm not mistaken, the Ego uses PWM, which means that you can not get an accurate reading with a multimeter. I'll have to find the thread, but someone claimed to use an oscilloscope to check and came up with a working voltage of around 3.5V.
I also keep meaning to add, that although some people claim that battery size is the only difference between a standard 510 and an ego, they need to understand that the cone also provides performance benefits by affecting the draw.
I could be dead wrong on the voltage part, as I freely admit I simply don't know. I do know that I absolutely can tell a difference using a carto with/without the cone. That alone is a step up from the 510 for the Ego.
I also keep meaning to add, that although some people claim that battery size is the only difference between a standard 510 and an ego, they need to understand that the cone also provides performance benefits by affecting the draw.
I could be dead wrong on the voltage part, as I freely admit I simply don't know. I do know that I absolutely can tell a difference using a carto with/without the cone. That alone is a step up from the 510 for the Ego.
I don't find your tone offensive flagreek
I have however never heard of an ego being tested at 3.7 under load. 3.7 fresh off the charger with no atty yes but not under load.
I think the mood of the OP has to be maintained both ways here...the fat battery 510's do represent a better battery life and in many cases a better experience than a normal 510 battery....they should last longer as they will be charged less often. They do last longer between charges and thats a big deal considering the stock 510's abysmal battery life. There is a place for those units...there is a place for kr808's..and of course for mods..the point of this thread in my opinion....is to first listen, then think, THEN answer the question.
If an ego fits the bill then damn right say "Get an eGo"...but it doesn't help to recommend a wrong product even if it is a good product....because lets face it the GGTS and the provari are the wrong product for some people just as much as a blu would be.
I have however never heard of an ego being tested at 3.7 under load. 3.7 fresh off the charger with no atty yes but not under load.
I think the mood of the OP has to be maintained both ways here...the fat battery 510's do represent a better battery life and in many cases a better experience than a normal 510 battery....they should last longer as they will be charged less often. They do last longer between charges and thats a big deal considering the stock 510's abysmal battery life. There is a place for those units...there is a place for kr808's..and of course for mods..the point of this thread in my opinion....is to first listen, then think, THEN answer the question.
If an ego fits the bill then damn right say "Get an eGo"...but it doesn't help to recommend a wrong product even if it is a good product....because lets face it the GGTS and the provari are the wrong product for some people just as much as a blu would be.
the big difference I BELIEVE is the MAH which is why those LR 306's simply don't work on a standard 510 i had. It's not really the voltage but the actual battery length that is the difference and the low OHM 1.5 306's draw so much that the small standard 510's aren't capable of get it going.
JonnyVapΣ;2388453 said:
Yep, that's a fact... this guy may not understand we're not posing as Rocket Scientists... we actually ARE Rocket Scientists...
If you keep spewing incorrect information I will keep telling you you're wrong.
And I am stating that there is probably something wrong with the meter, and being correct is not a requirement to making a video.
There is probably another factor that is causing your inability to tell the difference. Most people can clearly tell the difference.
If you view my assertion that you are incorrect as me being agressive, I cannot change that. The "tone" of agression is something you are applying... I'm simply stating facts to counter your fiction and conjecture.
I don't care if you believe something is true. That doesn't make it true. I live in a world where proof is required to accept that it's true. I have done the tests, I have measured the items in question and I can state that beyond all resonable doubt, what I am saying is true. You don't have to accept the truth, that's up to you... but as I have stated... if you insist on posting conjecture I will continue to post truth... it's as simple as that. In essence, the on/off switch for this whole encounter is in your hand.
The eGo is a 3.2v device that drops to nearly 3.0 under load.
It is a fact that can be proven time and time again.
Simply put... you are wrong. I can't change that. It's up to you.
I would rather not waste my time posting these facts, but as long as nonsense is being presented as fact, I have the choice of either being a part of the problem, or a part of the solution.
I choose to be a part of the solution. It's in my nature to be this way.
I think the reason why i keep bringing up the Ego is because of my initial experience with vaping. People that want to try the switch immediately have a mindset of "I want it to look like a cig and be cheap" then you get them that product and they are like "hey, this isn't very awesome! i'm going back to smoking!" it's like going to the car dealership and telling the car salesman "I want a car that looks like this and is cheap" and when it drives like crap they are annoyed. But you get what you pay for.
I personally wish someone would have pushed me to spend the extra 10 bucks for an ego. much better initial experience. Or a kr808.
I agree that one size doesn't fit all. However, most people make recommendations based on what has worked for them.
As an aside, I no longer respond to questions like, "I want an ecig - what should I get?" mainly because most people who ask this question have done little to no research into ecigs to know what, why, where, how it is they "want" in an ecig. Again, it's like saying you want to buy a car and what should you get?
Secondly, not defending the Ego, but as ecigs continue to evolve, recommending ecigs for newbies will change accordingly.
I totally agree. Not everyone needs a long lasting battery. I have no problem at all recharging batteries, And the way I vape at work I can get 4+ hours on an M401 battery and I have a charger on my desk, a PCC when I go out.
What else is the benefit of the 510/Ego for a new user? Yes 510 has flexibility - it can use carts or cartos, there are long battery options, different attys, XL carts, big battery setups like Ego. But based on some of the new user experiences I see in the New Members forum, it also has fairly common problems like melting of its own carts, burny taste, and with the base 510 a shorter battery life than M401. I also think it has less flavor than M401. Yet people will declare M401 garbage without actually trying it.
I found some people will actually declare anything as garbage if it's not Ego. Some nice guy came to the new members forum the other night. He had bought some rebrand I never heard of and he knew he payed too much but he was absolutely thrilled that he hadn't smoked a cigarette in 2 days. He wanted help figuring out what model it was. I was trying to help him do that and someone else came in the thread and said something like "It's probably garbage. Return it and get an Ego." I don't know if that guy ever came back. It's very sad.
I have seen Egos recommended to a guy who needed to vape hands-free under a car, a person who said they smoked 7 cigarettes per day, one that said they smoked 1 1/2 packs per week.
What else is the benefit of the 510/Ego for a new user? Yes 510 has flexibility - it can use carts or cartos, there are long battery options, different attys, XL carts, big battery setups like Ego. But based on some of the new user experiences I see in the New Members forum, it also has fairly common problems like melting of its own carts, burny taste, and with the base 510 a shorter battery life than M401. I also think it has less flavor than M401. Yet people will declare M401 garbage without actually trying it.
I found some people will actually declare anything as garbage if it's not Ego. Some nice guy came to the new members forum the other night. He had bought some rebrand I never heard of and he knew he payed too much but he was absolutely thrilled that he hadn't smoked a cigarette in 2 days. He wanted help figuring out what model it was. I was trying to help him do that and someone else came in the thread and said something like "It's probably garbage. Return it and get an Ego." I don't know if that guy ever came back. It's very sad.
I have seen Egos recommended to a guy who needed to vape hands-free under a car, a person who said they smoked 7 cigarettes per day, one that said they smoked 1 1/2 packs per week.
Why do you hate eGos... they never did anything to you!
But seriously... you get the point of all of this... I can understand being a vaper, smoke free for 50 days or so and extremely happy about the choices made... but to call a perfectly good eCig JUNK simply because it lacks the eGo battery life is just plain silly, in my opinion.
But the eGo maniacs will come in here kicking and screaming and insisting that they have it all figured out. They will post all kinds of mis-information about the device based on incorrect information they found both here and on other forums... and it is very very important to understand that forum posts and you tube videos can be absolutely wrong, and in many cases people will agree with them, creating the illusion they are correct.
People will argue with known facts, because they believed the incorrect information. It's not entirely their fault, but when presented with the facts they should back down and learn something, instead of fighting the truth. That's the part that I will never understand. WANTING to be right doesn't make you right!
But I'm glad you agree that there are MANY styles of these things for a reason, and most, if not all of them have a proper application.
It's not possible to say "GET AN EGO" and be correct even a large percentage of the time... it's not for everybody, and for MOST of those folks, there's probably better available if they took the time to find it.
Last edited:
Greek, do you feel the need to have the last word??
A new newbie post needs to be started, because this one certainly would not encourage them to quit smoking.... although I like a debate as well as the next guy!
A new newbie post needs to be started, because this one certainly would not encourage them to quit smoking.... although I like a debate as well as the next guy!
Hey guys, fun reading this stuff, I get to do it every few months!
This thread is good, and useful, as are all similar ones that came before it.
Only the names have been changed, to protect the innocent.
The point being, you can convince everyone reading this thread , but there are hundreds who haven't yet.
And every day, there are more and more of us joining the ranks, all of which have not read this thread yet.
So in another few months, we should make another such thread.
Or better yet, link them all to this one!
Hmmmmm. maybe this should be a sticky.
We just need to change the devices mentioned to generic names so it can stand the test of time.
Trying to solve the unsolvable is always fun to watch.
This thread is good, and useful, as are all similar ones that came before it.
Only the names have been changed, to protect the innocent.
The point being, you can convince everyone reading this thread , but there are hundreds who haven't yet.
And every day, there are more and more of us joining the ranks, all of which have not read this thread yet.
So in another few months, we should make another such thread.
Or better yet, link them all to this one!
Hmmmmm. maybe this should be a sticky.
We just need to change the devices mentioned to generic names so it can stand the test of time.
Trying to solve the unsolvable is always fun to watch.
I have a 4081 which I have heard is a 3.7 and it was OK for me but the batteries just didn't last long enough. That is the WHOLE reason I wanted to try a Ego. I don't care about voltage and all that (hated the 4081 passthrough) all I care is that I like the way it vapes that it has a decent TH, flavor, good vapor AND that the battery last me more than just a few hours. That is why I like the Ego because I get all of that. I don't care that it doesn't work great with 4081 cartos or slb 510 cartos or that I don't like it with LR 510 cartos. I found what works for me with the boge and mega cartos and I love it! To me that is all that matters is that I found what I like and what works GREAT for me. I am sure there is much better out there for others but for me this works and I am very happy with it.
I was told the Blu stinks - It doesn't
I was told the RN4081 is terrible - It isn't
I was told the 510 regular was sub par - It isn't.
I'm told the eGo is great............
Do the math here LOL.
I was told the RN4081 is terrible - It isn't
I was told the 510 regular was sub par - It isn't.
I'm told the eGo is great............
Do the math here LOL.
At the heart of the issue is the dilemma over whether the person responding to the question is should answer in the literal sense (i.e. if you want one that mimics an analog as closely as possible, it would be x) or if the answer should be what the responder thinks the asker is going to want in the long run (i.e. don't start with a mini because you'll only waste money and end up going to something different anyway).
I get frustrated with the latter type of answers, as I think OP was getting at, because it's based on a lot of assumptions that may or may not turn out to be accurate. Just because I may have started with a Blu and moved on to another model because it didn't do it for me doesn't mean that's going to be true for the person requesting a recommendation. My mother is perfectly happy with it.
Who am I to assume that what a person I don't even know says they're looking for isn't really what they want? That's awfully presumptuous and a lot of times, it comes out downright condescending. So +1 to OP. I totally agree.
I get frustrated with the latter type of answers, as I think OP was getting at, because it's based on a lot of assumptions that may or may not turn out to be accurate. Just because I may have started with a Blu and moved on to another model because it didn't do it for me doesn't mean that's going to be true for the person requesting a recommendation. My mother is perfectly happy with it.
Who am I to assume that what a person I don't even know says they're looking for isn't really what they want? That's awfully presumptuous and a lot of times, it comes out downright condescending. So +1 to OP. I totally agree.
A social smoker is someone who only smokes around others who smoke. Hence, "social". When I smoked, I would only smoke 3 or 4 cigs if I was by myself at home, but I might smoke up to a pack when I was around other smokers. So now, I have 2 KR808 batteries. One will usually last me all day if I'm alone. If I'm with my smoker buddies, I have my backup battery and that does just fine for me. Mostly though, I vape inside while my friends freeze their butts off smoking outside. Then I laugh and laugh.
LOL! read thru the posts in here - and I have to say - having found an analog-sized device after reviewing and researching threads in ECF (as a lurker) - then, posting my experience as a first post on ECF was a BIG mistake... I should've held my tongue. I gotta say folks, even though what I found worked well for me, I sure did feel like an idiot for not buying an Ego, which kinda hurt, well, er -- my ego. ;-)
But, I'm over that now -- and, in the words of one of our biggest Danish posters MichelleDen - "hands free with my itty-bitty pv...!", I have to say I really do like my itty bitties (for now). I'm still learning the landscape, however... and, if I could just hit my $$ break even point (which has now been delayed until 02/08/2011 - cuz, I fried my 808 PT, non-Bloog of course) ---
But, I'm over that now -- and, in the words of one of our biggest Danish posters MichelleDen - "hands free with my itty-bitty pv...!", I have to say I really do like my itty bitties (for now). I'm still learning the landscape, however... and, if I could just hit my $$ break even point (which has now been delayed until 02/08/2011 - cuz, I fried my 808 PT, non-Bloog of course) ---
Hey guys, fun reading this stuff, I get to do it every few months!
This thread is good, and useful, as are all similar ones that came before it.
Only the names have been changed, to protect the innocent.
The point being, you can convince everyone reading this thread , but there are hundreds who haven't yet.
And every day, there are more and more of us joining the ranks, all of which have not read this thread yet.
So in another few months, we should make another such thread.
Or better yet, link them all to this one!
Hmmmmm. maybe this should be a sticky.
We just need to change the devices mentioned to generic names so it can stand the test of time.
Trying to solve the unsolvable is always fun to watch.
Very wise, sensei, very wise!
I decided to come back and revisit old threads to see if my perception has changed after spending an excessive amount of time on PVs.
Ultimately this is a moot point. Whether or not they know it, the greatest PV is their mind and not what they are holding or will be holding in their hand. Assuming we look beyond this, we can continue.
Sending them to the ECF library and recommending they read DonDaBoomvape's 6 part series is is a good easy way to get them on a good path. I think this is essential and that will become more evident below.
What the smoker wants and what the smoker can have are two different things. Does this make the eGo the best device?
Of course not! On the other hand, "I smoke 2 packs a day and want something that looks like a cigarette" cannot be honestly answered without bringing up the battery life issue. This will include PCCs and PTs as well. Despite the attempt to be honest and to guide properly, I have noticed that you lose a disparagingly high percentage of them right away. Many want that quick fix/answer. They don't want to think. Even if it is an 808 they want the "set" or the "system" Do they realize the "set" may not have enough cartos to tide them over until their next order can arrive? Of course not. Years of conditioning will do that to people.
Then you get the completely overwhelmed folks. Can you blame them? You just sign up and you read:
"I used to use the auto 808 with the XYZ carto which I used to throw out but now refill using the condom method. Isn't that MFS 24mg, 30ml, 80-20 pg/vg to die for? I used the ECF discount code for some new "Fruit Loop Pax Romana GingerBerry LaLa" flavor but had to cut it using USP PG that I had from when I used to use a GG all the while tracking new order of 3 380 mah batts and LR attys. You think those will fit into my new PCC from XYZ? I think it will "wick" better when I use blue foam or perhaps the teabag method. De-bridge you say? I sure do hope the primer on 510s and 801s goes away when I blow. This doesn't mean I don't still DD with my drip tips but it has got me thinking about a PT unless I really think about a VV and even then I really prefer something with the cr-123. "
I mean seriously folks....... Here's a new person just trying to quit smoking and they quickly see they have to learn a new language. This can get very discouraging. Caught a couple of them right before the nervous breakdown was about to hit!
I recently had a bit of a misunderstanding with someone here because I defended the ego. Even though mine now collects dust because the vape is cold, lifeless and lacking, I will still defend it as an all-around, practical, easily-palatable device. More so than a GG with AFS, in any case. Again, this doesn't mean the eGO is best-suited for every case, just more cases than the GG. It is the easy choice. Not the best or even most appropriate. However, instead of putting it down as a device and discouraging those who own it, it may be best to say something like "Hey, good start! Things can only get better from here!" Bubbly and feel good? Yes. Untruthful? No. Heck of a lot better than " This isn't a true 3.7 v device and you can't really use those LR attys on it as the MOSFET switches will probably fail"
This brings us to the flip side. What about those that just want to be bubbly, welcome people and rack up the posts at the same time? "Buy and EGO" is quick for them and satisfactory for most asking the question. Easy way out for all.
Ultimately, I think the easiest way to accomplish a proper introduction to e-cigs would be to send them to the links mentioned above. This can be candy coated a bit by telling them they will invest an hour reading but save countless hours later. If they don't want to read...... well.......... they can "BUY AN EGO!"
Ultimately this is a moot point. Whether or not they know it, the greatest PV is their mind and not what they are holding or will be holding in their hand. Assuming we look beyond this, we can continue.
Sending them to the ECF library and recommending they read DonDaBoomvape's 6 part series is is a good easy way to get them on a good path. I think this is essential and that will become more evident below.
What the smoker wants and what the smoker can have are two different things. Does this make the eGo the best device?
Of course not! On the other hand, "I smoke 2 packs a day and want something that looks like a cigarette" cannot be honestly answered without bringing up the battery life issue. This will include PCCs and PTs as well. Despite the attempt to be honest and to guide properly, I have noticed that you lose a disparagingly high percentage of them right away. Many want that quick fix/answer. They don't want to think. Even if it is an 808 they want the "set" or the "system" Do they realize the "set" may not have enough cartos to tide them over until their next order can arrive? Of course not. Years of conditioning will do that to people.
Then you get the completely overwhelmed folks. Can you blame them? You just sign up and you read:
"I used to use the auto 808 with the XYZ carto which I used to throw out but now refill using the condom method. Isn't that MFS 24mg, 30ml, 80-20 pg/vg to die for? I used the ECF discount code for some new "Fruit Loop Pax Romana GingerBerry LaLa" flavor but had to cut it using USP PG that I had from when I used to use a GG all the while tracking new order of 3 380 mah batts and LR attys. You think those will fit into my new PCC from XYZ? I think it will "wick" better when I use blue foam or perhaps the teabag method. De-bridge you say? I sure do hope the primer on 510s and 801s goes away when I blow. This doesn't mean I don't still DD with my drip tips but it has got me thinking about a PT unless I really think about a VV and even then I really prefer something with the cr-123. "
I mean seriously folks....... Here's a new person just trying to quit smoking and they quickly see they have to learn a new language. This can get very discouraging. Caught a couple of them right before the nervous breakdown was about to hit!
I recently had a bit of a misunderstanding with someone here because I defended the ego. Even though mine now collects dust because the vape is cold, lifeless and lacking, I will still defend it as an all-around, practical, easily-palatable device. More so than a GG with AFS, in any case. Again, this doesn't mean the eGO is best-suited for every case, just more cases than the GG. It is the easy choice. Not the best or even most appropriate. However, instead of putting it down as a device and discouraging those who own it, it may be best to say something like "Hey, good start! Things can only get better from here!" Bubbly and feel good? Yes. Untruthful? No. Heck of a lot better than " This isn't a true 3.7 v device and you can't really use those LR attys on it as the MOSFET switches will probably fail"
This brings us to the flip side. What about those that just want to be bubbly, welcome people and rack up the posts at the same time? "Buy and EGO" is quick for them and satisfactory for most asking the question. Easy way out for all.
Ultimately, I think the easiest way to accomplish a proper introduction to e-cigs would be to send them to the links mentioned above. This can be candy coated a bit by telling them they will invest an hour reading but save countless hours later. If they don't want to read...... well.......... they can "BUY AN EGO!"
Last edited:
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
