AEMSA, Anyone know anything about this organization?

[Traver]

AEMSA is a standards organization for juice manufacture's. I was wondering if it was something worth paying attention to.
AEMSA | American E-Liquid Manufacturing Standards Association

This list is one of the things that caught my attention.

Ingredients/ Components other than base liquids will contain only safe or highest grade base materials
(i)
Flavorings (including menthol) used will be at a minimum of food grade and/or Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS)
standard certifications whenever the ingredient is produced at those standards
(ii) Flavorings containing artificial food coloring will identify food coloring information to include coloring number in
advertising and product descriptions
(iii) Flavorings containing Custard Notes will identify advertising and product descriptions
(iv)
Water used (if any) will be either deionized or distilled
(v)
Alcohol and additional additives (if any) will be:
1)
Used in the purest form commercially available and safe for human consumption
2)
Minimum of US Food grade standards
Section 2.05
The following will not be added or used in the creation of e-liquids
(a)
Including but not limited to:
(i)
Diacetyl
(ii)
WTA (whole tobacco alkaloids)
(iii)
Medicinal - or prescription medicinal
(iv)
Illegal or controlled substances
(v)
Caffeine
(vi)
Vitamins or Dietary supplements (other than for preservative purposes)
(vii) Artifical Food Coloring
1)
AEMSA members will not add any artificial coloring or dyes during the e-liquid manufacturing process. Non vendor
manufactured flavorings containing artificial food coloring will identify food coloring information to include coloring
number in advertising and product descriptions
(viii)
AEMSA reserves the right to review, evaluate and deny/approve any potential substance used in the creation of e-liquids
at any given time

 

[Rocketpunk]

The store where I work, the owners were some of the founding members. Some people love 'em, some people hate 'em. Not sure why, though.

 

[Traver]

Here is one reason many vapors won't like AEMSA, WTA (whole tobacco alkaloids) are not allowed.

Many juice makers won' like the strict standards either. Of course that is why am interested and hope they succeed.

 

[anthropus1]

Im going to start by saying I am not a juice manufacturer store owner or any any way affiliated with AEMSA.
This organization has been and will be the champion of our cause with regards to regulating eliquid. They have had numerous meetings with the fda before any proposed regulations and helped to hold off and lessen the impact that regs would have on the industry.
The standards are upheld by peer review, as other members of the org ensure you are dong what you say you are. This to me speaks volumes about the confidence in quality at thier labs, since who would be harder on you than your competitors.
Many people have glossed over the importance of this organization with all of the talks going on about the deeming regulations. Saying things like "it won't shut down big players like AEMSA ,but will kill the smaller, in house juices." But with the exeption of it being somewhat expensive to join, there is no reason that smaller operations shouldn't join and share in the expected shelter of this association.
I could (and probably have ) go on and on about everything that AEMSA has done for vapers , even those who have never heard of them or vaped an AEMSA juice, but i just woke up and I would not do justice to the cause with an unfocused mind.

Im going to close this longwinded post by saying if you have a manufacturer that you want to see on the shelf 3 years form now, ask them to consider joining AEMSA .

 

[anthropus1]

I want to add that in my area there are about 10 shops in as many miles and only one has AEMSA member juices and the do as much business as any other 3 combined. So obviously you can taste the difference that these standerds make

 

[zoiDman]

I have Very Mixed Feelings about AEMSA.

On one hand I say this is Exactly what we Need. Someone to Take Matters into their Own Hands and Push for What they Want on behalf of their Members at the Congressional Levels.

On the Other Hand, I am Wary of them because they Don't seem to be Very Transparent as to Exactly what they are Doing and Who they are Doing it with?

I like the Concept of their "Standard". And I think overall, it is Practice and has a Lot of Common Sense. I question some of the Enforcement of the "Standard". But hey, that's just me.

I guess for me, I am just in a Wait and Seem mode with AEMSA. Because they don't seem to want to Release a Lot of Statements.

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DISCLAIMER: No One should be Under the Illusion that AEMSA is a Consumer Advocacy Group. They Are NOT. They are a e-Liquid Trade Organization. And their Sole Purpose is to Represent their Members. And to work on Behalf of their Members Best Interest.

I am NOT Saying that AEMSA's Goals run Counter to the Goals of the Average Vaper. But if they Do, AEMSA is ALWAYS Going to go what is Best for It's Members. Even if that Means Going Against what the General Vaping Community Wants or Desires.

As Well they Should. Because AEMSA Works for it's Members. Not for Consumers. Just Like Every Other Trade Organization Does.

 

[Traver]

My first concern when buying juice is safety. Taste comes second but I see no reason why I can't get both.
from what i have read so far the only thing I don't like about AEMSA is their high membership price. Many of the smaller companies that mix juice may not be able to afford the price of membership.

I am a DIY so I don't buy much premixed juice. When I do I think I will be looking for that AEMSA logo.

 

[zoiDman]

My first concern when buying juice is safety. Taste comes second but I see no reason why I can't get both.
from what i have read so far the only thing I don't like about AEMSA is their high membership price. Many of the smaller companies that mix juice may not be able to afford the price of membership.

I am a DIY so I don't buy much premixed juice. When I do I think I will be looking for that AEMSA logo.

Who could Honestly say that they would Chose an e-Liquid that contains Potentially Hazardous Ingredients over one that Didn't?

I do Applaud AEMSA because they Believe that even in a Unregulated Market, that e-Liquids should be made to a Standard. And if you Read the Standard, it Isn't Very Restrictive and what I call Based on Common Sense.

Traceability - Ingredient Control - Batch Control - Information Based Labeling - etc. All sounds good to Me. As to How Well the Members can be Held to the Standard? That is something I could Debate. But it Really Isn't Very Relevant in My Case.

Because I am Not an Retail e-Liquid Consumer. And decide to do DIY because there Wasn't any Standards or Enforcement as to what can be Put Into a Bottle and Called "Juice".

If you want to Buy from Vendors who Adhere to the AEMSA Standard, It might be Easier to go to the AEMSA Web sight and look at their Member Page. And then just Shop form those AEMSA Members.

 

[Traver]

The question is how do you know what is in the juice without some kind of enforceable standards. I do have to agree that the enforcement by AEMSA is questionable but maybe better than noting. At least it may be a start.

At this time I also wish to support organizations that can lobby for vaping. They are a trade organization but at this time at this time AEMSA interest and mine seem to be on the same path.

Right now I am still looking for information and opinions from other vapors.

Who could Honestly say that they would Chose an e-Liquid that contains Potentially Hazardous Ingredients over one that Didn't?

I do Applaud AEMSA because they Believe that even in a Unregulated Market, that e-Liquids should be made to a Standard. And if you Read the Standard, it Isn't Very Restrictive and what I call Based on Common Sense.

Traceability - Ingredient Control - Batch Control - Information Based Labeling - etc. All sounds good to Me. As to How Well the Members can be Held to the Standard? That is something I could Debate. But it Really Isn't Very Relevant in My Case.

Because I am Not an Retail e-Liquid Consumer. And decide to do DIY because there Wasn't any Standards or Enforcement as to what can be Put Into a Bottle and Called "Juice".

If you want to Buy from Vendors who Adhere to the AEMSA Standard, It might be Easier to go to the AEMSA Web sight and look at their Member Page. And then just Shop form those AEMSA Members.

 

[zoiDman]

The question is how do you know what is in the juice without some kind of enforceable standards.
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This has a Very Simple Answer. That is Not Debatable.

YOU DON'T KNOW.

And this is Exactly why I starting Doing DIY when I Switched to e-Cigarettes.

 

[Traver]

Yeah, me to but I try out already mixed flavors once in a while.

By the way I just stopped using CE2's in July. They were getting to hard to find.

This has a Very Simple Answer. That is Not Debatable.

YOU DON'T KNOW.

And this is Exactly why I starting Doing DIY when I Switched to e-Cigarettes.

 

[zoiDman]

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By the way I just stopped using CE2's in July. They were getting to hard to find.

When Bad had that Tiff with Martinez at RS/MiT and said he Wasn't going to Deal with CE2's anymore, I bought 300 XL Rev"3.5" Directly from RS.

Now it looks like they are Back and are Supposed to be Redesigned.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/gotvapes/509708-2014-ce2-fluxomizer.html

Looks like the Same Old Song and Dance as when they Originally E2 Came out. LOL

 

[Traver]

Thanks zoiDman, but I meant the old stainless steel CE2's.

I have gone on to glass Vision vivi novas at home and Kanger evods when I am out. The vivi novas taste just as good as the CE2 did but they are bigger. Once in a while the novas wick too much and gurgle or leak. Then I have to cut off a wick or two and so far that has always solved the problem. The evods have a muted flavorer but they work fine for the stronger flavors like tobacco. I use these on VV twists because the Ego threads are much sturdier than than the 510 thread by itself. When I am out and about I tend to like stronger flavors anyway so it works out.

I am a whitewater paddler and that is the only time I would be interested in CE2's now. When I paddle I have a water proof case that was made to hold a pack of cigarettes and fits in the pocket of my life jacket. I don't want batteries bouncing around while my boat is being tossed around in rapids. So I shaped a piece of rigid foam to fit inside the case and drilled some holes to hold A few cartos and two X-10 batteries. The X-10's are similar to cig-alikes but a bit fatter in form. They also last a bit longer and give a better hit. I am using regular filler type cartos when I am on the water. The X-10's are cheap and no great loss if I drop one in the water. I might try the fluxomizers on the water.

 

[zoiDman]

I can't say if the New 2014 CE2's are any good or Not.

Chris said he was going to Send me a Pack to try out, but he Never Did. Then a couple of weeks later one of Chris's "Helpers" said he/she was going to send me one because Chris must have Forgotten, but he/she never did either.

LOL

 

[zoiDman]

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