I had no intention of sounding like an "elitist" and I thought that was easily seen from the way I worded my original post. I have not said a thing to her because if she thinks its working (as evident by her reduction from 2 packs to several cigs a day) I want it to continue working for her. Quitting cigs can be a mental game, and I have no plans on interfering with her mentality during this phase of her vaping career. I am just merely concerned, based off of a huge number of personal testimonies, that the Blu will not lead to her successfully quitting cigs. The statistics seem to show (imo) either people move on to something more efficient or give up and go back to smoking. With her present fear of eliquid and ecigs in general, I fear she will never consider anything more sophisticated than a Blu, which may not be sufficient enough for her, leading to a return to smoking, and that will suck.
After a half hour of discussing ecigs, a smoker converts... to a Blu >.<
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I don't understand that whole thing with going to the emergency room from e-liquid. I was opening one of my cheap iClears the other night and was really tired in a dark room and I accidentally unscrewed the whole top because I forgot the just because it is a top-fill doesn't mean the bottom is glued. Anyways, 5ml of e-liquid fell on my bare stomach and I held it there for a good 2mins until my bro got up and got me some paper towels. Literally nothing happened to my bare skin at all.
Unless you are a little kid, I don't see how spilling anything under a full 30ml bottle of liquid on your skin is going to send you to the hospital. Unless it goes into an open wound or you let it sit there for like 10min without so much as even flicking excess liquid off...
Well you could try forgetting what your opinion of what statistics seem to show and continue to look at the evidence in front of your eyes.
What works, works; all Blu needs to do is WORK FOR A FEW WEEKS.
Anybody who smokes a pack a day for years and then finds they can go a whole day without effort on only 5 or less crosses a major hurdle; it tells them IT CAN BE DONE. It gives them that incentive to get something better.
A lot of the -- actually all of the starter kits (except the cigalikes) that have been available in my area come with menthol liquid! That turned out to be my biggest problem; I could use it for a little while but bleeeaaah; I hate menthol.
Your understanding of freebase nicotine is incorrect...
Freebase nicotine - SourceWatch
We are not vaping ANY freebase nicotine.
That is just from cigarettes.
I would bring her over some awesome liquid, and a blank cartomizer.
I would instruct her how to fill it and let her know I would handle any leaks.
Once she got some kind of leak, I would wipe it up with my finger.
And then I would lick it off my finger.
Point made.
I would instruct her how to fill it and let her know I would handle any leaks.
Once she got some kind of leak, I would wipe it up with my finger.
And then I would lick it off my finger.
Point made.
Honestly, the blu helped me convert- twice.
When I first started vaping, I got the blu starter kit. Enjoyed it, discovered this forum and then got better models and learned about e liquid rather than cartridges. My fiance stayed vaping the whole time. I did go back to smoking after a sixteen hour car ride caused me to chain vape and have a slight nicotine od (Not off a blu, but a 24mg cherry cola liquid and an ego). Then recently when I found out I had to quit smoking again... and quit nicotine itself for around nine months... I immediately picked up a blu starter kit again. I used the blu successfully to drop smoking for the second time and since the blu is like sucking on a straw and getting almost nothing out... it was easy to drop the blu in less than a week for me.
When I first started vaping, I got the blu starter kit. Enjoyed it, discovered this forum and then got better models and learned about e liquid rather than cartridges. My fiance stayed vaping the whole time. I did go back to smoking after a sixteen hour car ride caused me to chain vape and have a slight nicotine od (Not off a blu, but a 24mg cherry cola liquid and an ego). Then recently when I found out I had to quit smoking again... and quit nicotine itself for around nine months... I immediately picked up a blu starter kit again. I used the blu successfully to drop smoking for the second time and since the blu is like sucking on a straw and getting almost nothing out... it was easy to drop the blu in less than a week for me.
Cigalikes do work for some people. They may not work for many on this board, but I doubt that this board is a fair representation of the kind of vapers that are really out there. Many don't look into this as a hobby, and simply need the similarity in size and form to cigarettes in order to quit. Those who place a higher value on that familiar feeling of a cigarette in their hand and in their mouth may be able to sacrifice throat hit for it. I've met a lot of people like this. When I was only vaping with my MVP's, their size seemed to intimidate a lot of people I was trying to convert away from e-cigs. When I picked up a couple of cigalikes because I wanted something that could easily be concealed and carried in the summer months coming up, I suddenly had many more people interested in vaping.
While it appears to be working for her, you are right about not interfering. However, if Blu winds up not working for her, she is not out of options in the cigalike category. I would send her to Halo, Smokeless Image, or Bloog next. They do not have 510 connections, but she doesn't sound like she'd be interested in trying out multiple types of toppers, so that may not be an issue. They have 808D1 threading, and they actually aren't that bad. This is what I picked up to feel girlie while vaping, and for a stealth option for the summer while I do not have my winter coat pockets to store my MVP's in. Halo has great, USA made juice in prefilled cartos. Also, I found the ones from Bedford Slims to be unique and cute, with the little mustaches that light up at the ends instead of fake ash or a crystal. I even have a Vapor Couture coming in the mail for an ultra girlie option, but I doubt I'll be sticking to their cartos. There are often sales (got my Bloogs at 2 for $10) and that makes them more affordable then Blu. They still need to be charged often, but they aren't as proprietary as Blu and they last a bit longer, are a bit more reliable, and produce better vapor then Blu.
While it appears to be working for her, you are right about not interfering. However, if Blu winds up not working for her, she is not out of options in the cigalike category. I would send her to Halo, Smokeless Image, or Bloog next. They do not have 510 connections, but she doesn't sound like she'd be interested in trying out multiple types of toppers, so that may not be an issue. They have 808D1 threading, and they actually aren't that bad. This is what I picked up to feel girlie while vaping, and for a stealth option for the summer while I do not have my winter coat pockets to store my MVP's in. Halo has great, USA made juice in prefilled cartos. Also, I found the ones from Bedford Slims to be unique and cute, with the little mustaches that light up at the ends instead of fake ash or a crystal. I even have a Vapor Couture coming in the mail for an ultra girlie option, but I doubt I'll be sticking to their cartos. There are often sales (got my Bloogs at 2 for $10) and that makes them more affordable then Blu. They still need to be charged often, but they aren't as proprietary as Blu and they last a bit longer, are a bit more reliable, and produce better vapor then Blu.
Primary point before wandering off to a topic that may anger people. Are we certain de-protonated nicotine isn't used? I could be wrong but it would seem if the tobacco was first treated then the nicotine extracted it would be a free base. If this doesn't occur, should some form of de-protonated nicotine be used in e-liquid?
That link is an example of a "lie" having persistent consequences. I have read on this board a claim that "big tobacco" adds nicotine to their cigarettes. I was going to correct that misinformation way back when I saw that but I was to lazy to re-research a topic I only vaguely remembered from years earlier.
My point, even on ECF I see people pushing the lies by ANTZ and in a sickly entertaining twist some of those same people complain about it being done to vaping.
Right on the money! My eRoll got me to quit, but I could tell after just a couple weeks that that tiny tank just didn't get it, nor the short battery life and having to constantly rotate 'em in and out of the PCC. So I asked some folks here, looking specifically for "small and lightweight but not cigalike"... and found the iTaste vv3, which comes with the GREAT bonus of being not just variable voltage, but also variable wattage, and for a math ...... like moi, that's awesome!! As soon as I got some different-ohm coils, I knew what that vw was for, and started using it, and now I don't want any PV that doesn't have vw.
And ditto, on menthol; I quit smoking those when I was 16 yrs old, and never have been able to stand that taste since. Peppermint is *just* tolerable, as a palate-freshener, but still not terrific.
However I share the OP's concern that the lady's fear of e-juice may keep her from progressing into bigger and better, and considering what I know and what I've heard of Blu's, though they're doing a good job for her now, that can't last; when she gets fed up with constant replacing because of their short battery life, she may just say to heck with it, and go back to smoking, and that would be sad, given her original willingness to at least TRY vapor. I agree that she needs some education desperately about the relative harmlessness of nicotine in the strengths it is commonly vaped; just getting a bit of 6, 12, 18, or even 24mg e-juice on your skin will not kill you, nor even make you sick -- as long as you don't lick it off!
I even regularly get it into cuts on my hands, and it stings like the devil, but hasn't hurt me yet, though granted, the strengths I use (6-9mg) wouldn't hurt anyone who's not wearing diapers or one-piece jammies.Andria
I can certainly identify with that.
I had a disposable one that I kept for if I was out somewhere that I couldn't have a cigarette (I work at home). At that time I smoked 35 per day.
Late last December, my eyes were sore and my husband had said he thought my cigarettes were smelling awful in recent times, so I tried to use my disposable for most of a day to see if my eyes got better.
At the end of that day, my eyes weren't much different but I'd smoked far less cigarettes - it intrigued me, and I thought it was a good chance to cut down on how many I smoked.
I bought a SmartCigs starter kit and decided to see how things went. I also tried a couple of others and found a few cartridge flavours I liked enough. Eventually, I found I was only smoking 1/4 of the 35, so made a final push to get even lower. On Jan 27th this year, I had my last cigarette. (the two packs and lighters are still inches from my keyboard!).
I found them to be very familiar in use, so very much like smoking and had the same effect ..but with no smell in the house or on me!
I think they actually helped in making the transition.
Oddly enough, no-one noticed and it was three weeks later that I actually told my husband! I'd made a conscious decision to keep it to myself so that I was under no pressure or scrutiny, and if I failed, then only myself would be disappointed!
It was some weeks later when someone on the UK forum section pointed me towards the EVOD, and I've been happily using those ever since.
But, I still do use the batteries from the small e-cigs with clearomisers for flavours I only use a little and for taking out with me because they're far neater and unobtrusive.
If I could get pre-filled cartridges with VG here, I'd buy some happily because I prefer not to openly use them in public, and that type is far easier to use surreptitiously
Blu do use VG liquid made by Johnsons Creek for them, but they aren't available in the UK and international shipping can be pricey when added to customs charges.I do think those small e-cigs with cartridges have a useful place for both beginners and occasional use.
Don't knock the cigarette form factor; it's really important for some folks. I have been talking to a co-worker who really wants to quit smoking, and her first requirement is "it has to look like a cigarette". I brought in my Halo G6 and showed her how it worked and how to refill the carts; I think she may go for that. It's how I started, too.
Honestly, I have never even messed with these things, I wouldn't know how to fill a carto
I started with Blu & after a week of using that system I bought empty cartos & learned to fill my own. But in my case it was more a necessity thing as I discovered I can't vape high VG liquids so buying the Blu cartos was out for me.
It's not too hard to fill them & I know Baditude has a how post for how to fill the cartos easily & avoid problems. I'll have to do a search to find it so when I do I'll post a link.
No it's not. It's diluted to the mg/ml that you choose (ie 24mg, 18mg, etc.). But I have had a tank break on me in the car & all the eliquid from that tank poured all over my hand & I had no where to clean it off as I was actually on a highway in traffic. I did get nic sick from that so I can testify that it can & does happen. It just doesn't happen all the time & under normal circumstances.
Ok, I have read a bunch of the posts, not all of them, there are a lot. I don't get the fear of the liquid, besides what the media says, maybe that's it. I get the liquid on me all the time to no effect when I rebuild my kayfun. I'm guessing the fear is from the medias portrayal of the liquids. I know nicotine can be dangerous in liquid form absorbed thru the skin, but I would imagine you would have to bath in it or drink it for any real effect. Am I off base here?
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Yes and no. The media is up in arms over data collected from exposure to 10% nicotine level ejuice. A teaspoon of that can cause trouble with an adult and care should be taken that it does not get on the skin. However, in most ejuices available for retail, the highest you'll find is 3.6%. It's a pretty big difference....
Come to think of it, one of the big motivations for me moving away from the cigalikes was I couldn't get a low enough nicotine strength!
If I'd had lower strengths available I'd have probably stuck with them for a few months.
If I'd had lower strengths available I'd have probably stuck with them for a few months.
Come to think of it, one of the big motivations for me moving away from the cigalikes was I couldn't get a low enough nicotine strength!
If I'd had lower strengths available I'd have probably stuck with them for a few months.
If I'd had lower strengths available I'd have probably stuck with them for a few months.
That was partly why I chose the eRoll as my own cigalike; being able to use the liquids *I* chose, rather than any pre-filled crap. But then, I've done the gardening thing for about 15 yrs, and you get pretty accustomed to deadly liquids and powders if you spend any time doing gardening or yard work; once I learned how actually *little* nicotine is in e-juice, it no longer frightened me at all.
I haven't used my eRoll in quite a while now, this iTaste+T3S does such a bang-up job, but if I had any stealth vaping in mind, it would be perfect.
Andria
Someday someone will come up with a cig-alike that will last through 3+ mls of juice and provide the vapor of a genesis atty.
Until than we're stuck with large battery holders and large tanks to put on them.I've been waiting 4 yrs. and not much has changed,but I keep wishing.
Until than we're stuck with large battery holders and large tanks to put on them.I've been waiting 4 yrs. and not much has changed,but I keep wishing.
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