After the sale. Discussion moved by request.

[Akdare]

We are all entitled to our opinions, and, I rarely post a lengthy one, or one at all for that matter. Just ones I feel firmly about.

Just my 2cents...

I have bought many mods, attys, etc. in my short vaping experience. I have researched each and every one of them. There have been some that I have tried for weeks and weeks before knowing that they were not for me. Each time I sold one, I sold it to an individual that I knew loved them, or wanted one and could not obtain one. Each time I sold one, I offered it for about 10% or less than I paid for it. After all, I did use it, and considered the difference in cost as the price of experience. "Rent", if you will, for using it for that period of time.

ECF has a policy in it's classifieds of a ceiling on profiteering. That is why individuals sell them on eBay. To people with more money than patience. Also, the psychology of setting a low starting price and high Buy It Now is well established to work extremely well in the seller's favor. Also the psychology of an auction setting...people get caught up in the excitement, and pay perhaps more than they normally would have. The fear of loss is one of humankind's most powerful motivators.

Also, if I want to try a new mod or atty, I buy one. Not 3 or 4, or one every 8 weeks just because I can. I also don't buy things to try, if I know I'm probably not gonna like it. Genesis attys for me, for example. Even though I have the skills to make it work, I know that I do not want something I have to fiddle with that much constantly to make work and not leak. If you know that sub-ohm is your sweet spot, why would you even purchase a Billet Box or a Woodvil that was not designed for such. Or multiples of same.

Each one of us has our own ethics, and has to live in our own skin. My personal ethics says that putting never used vaping item up for sale that has never been out of the box, and that are extremely limited editions, or, one of a kinds, just a day or so after they were available is selfish at best, greedy at worst. To put it into today's vernacular..."Dude, that's messed up!"

End 2c/rant.

Back to our scheduled programming.

 

[Marvin & Sennie]

That's what I was thinking. And he didn't put a ton on there, it's not like he hoarded them to flip, maybe he purchased with the intent to keep and yes parenthood changes our priorities. It did mine anyway. I understand, still bothers me in my hoarded part of my brain. lol

You know what... He's got a baby now. Priorities change. I don't blame him. He's not trying to gouge the classies... What he does on eBay is his own business


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[Justice]

Divemedic you understand there is much dislike of those who wish to profiteer off of reos yes they are theirs to do so with it is just the way it is. I choose to believe your explanation so lets all go back to our happy family status take care all enjoy your woodies no matter what y'all do with them

 

[unsure]

So long as everyone who wants one can get one is all that really matters....nuff said.

 

[Miarose]

I'm not quite sure if I care I was snarky/rutheless or not. I understand about life circumstances as stated. And I get just "not liking them". It's just my opinion for whatever its worth, but it's worth a lot to me. They are your reos, sir, and you are entitled to do whatever you so wish with them, that doesn't mean others have to be okay with it. Life goes on. I just feel sad for anyone who wanted those specific ones.

In other news, my woodvils are leaving the house with me to go on a mini vacation. Should be interesting!

edit: sorry if i ...... people off, some things just don't sit well with me. :/

 

[Marvin & Sennie]

That's what I was thinking. And he didn't put a ton on there, it's not like he hoarded them to flip, maybe he purchased with the intent to keep and yes parenthood changes our priorities. It did mine anyway. I understand, still bothers me in my hoarded part of my brain. lol

well I posted this before I read the rest... and Rob is 100% correct, they are his to do with what he wishes. How many of us bought more than 1 with the intent to keep our favorite and sell the other? How are we any better? Not thrilled about eBay but it's HIS choice where he sells them. I personally apologize for anything I might have said to offend anyone. We are a family, not by blood but by our love of Rob and each other and as such we aren't always going to agree with each other's decisions.
I've found REOnauts to be the kindest, most generous, understanding, and helpful people anywhere.
With that said... I'm glad none were my picks because I might be sick then, especially #50!! lol

 

[Miarose]

well I posted this before I read the rest... and Rob is 100% correct, they are his to do with what he wishes. How many of us bought more than 1 with the intent to keep our favorite and sell the other? How are we any better? Not thrilled about eBay but it's HIS choice where he sells them. I personally apologize for anything I might have said to offend anyone. We are a family, not by blood but by our love of Rob and each other and as such we aren't always going to agree with each other's decisions.
I've found REOnauts to be the kindest, most generous, understanding, and helpful people anywhere.
With that said... I'm glad none were my picks because I might be sick then, especially #50!! lol

I'm not quite sure if I care I was snarky/rutheless or not. I understand about life circumstances as stated. And I get just "not liking them". It's just my opinion for whatever its worth, but it's worth a lot to me. They are your reos, sir, and you are entitled to do whatever you so wish with them, that doesn't mean others have to be okay with it. Life goes on. I just feel sad for anyone who wanted those specific ones.

In other news, my woodvils are leaving the house with me to go on a mini vacation. Should be interesting!

that's my point exactly.

 

[Racehorse]

but selling on ebay is a lil dif than the classies to me...
you bet ya i'll be all over a few woodies if they come up on the classies :X
it just makes me sad if people buy them solely to flip.

I have no problem with people selling anything they have purchased w/their own hard-earned money. it's theirs to do what they want with it.

I imagine it took some time to sit on-line and get in on the sale, as well as photograph and put the reos up for sale again, so that is labor too.

The good thing about Ebay is it's an objective marketplace, ie person creates an auction and it sells for what market will bear.

I hate to say this, and not the reo crowd, but when I sell stuff in the ECF classies, they are already "priced right", meaning a fair square good deal, and you would not believe the low-ball PMs you get, almost to the point of insulting esp. when you have knocked yourself out to list a genuinely fair deal.

At least on Ebay auction, it sells for what a group of people are willing to bid .... let them fight over it.

A lot of vapers on Ebay may not have access to knowing about REOs, or the woodville sale, etc. so I'm happy that REOs can move out of just "ECF" territory, because really, there are many vapers out there in the world who are NOT on internet forum. Now, they will love the product, and perhaps visit the REO site and so will their friends and family.

A larger audience is not a bad thing for REO

makes me terribly sad for the people who's top pick they were and didn't' get them.

But look at it this way, Miarose.......somebody WILL get them, they just will get them on Ebay, and that woodie may be their *hearts desire* and make them very very happy.

I just don't feel that ECF or REOVILLE should be some kind of exclusive club for these mods to be. )

 

[glassgal]

I have no problem with people selling anything they have purchased w/their own hard-earned money. it's theirs to do what they want with it.

I imagine it took some time to sit on-line and get in on the sale, as well as photograph and put the reos up for sale again, so that is labor too.

The good thing about Ebay is it's an objective marketplace, ie person creates an auction and it sells for what market will bear.

I hate to say this, and not the reo crowd, but when I sell stuff in the ECF classies, they are already "priced right", meaning a fair square good deal, and you would not believe the low-ball PMs you get, almost to the point of insulting esp. when you have knocked yourself out to list a genuinely fair deal.

At least on Ebay auction, it sells for what a group of people are willing to bid .... let them fight over it.

A lot of vapers on Ebay may not have access to knowing about REOs, or the woodville sale, etc. so I'm happy that REOs can move out of just "ECF" territory, because really, there are many vapers out there in the world who are NOT on internet forum. Now, they will love the product, and perhaps visit the REO site and so will their friends and family.

A larger audience is not a bad thing for REO

I agree with this, mostly because before I had even heard of ECF, I looked on Ebay for ecig stuff FIRST. I'm sure there are lots of new vapers who don't think to look on forums, but will go see what's on Ebay. Can't see why anyone would get offended by Ebay, because again, the market prices based on what people are willing to pay. No one forces anyone to buy anything on Ebay, high or low.

And with certain mods, with the maker's blessing like the BB, some people get very offended by 'flippers'. But the bottom line here is that they are scaring people into not selling because no one wants to be labeled a 'flipper', and possibly wrecking their own collect ability with this attitude. Ie., the FACT that certain collectibles can go up in value is precisely why people want to own them. If they can't go up in value at all, the market price is only dictated by the Seller, who also faces a tough time raising his own prices because he's killed the aftermarket for his own product.

I don't know, what would the art market look like if you couldn't resell what you bought without being tormented? Would anyone bother buying and fixing up a 1960s Mustang if they could only sell them for the $500 they bought them for in 1960? This field has potential to become a collectibles market, but with enough people here insulting others for reselling, a lot of potential collectors are probably discouraged. That could be a loss for everyone, since there's no point in attempting to push the boundaries of functionality into art.

 

[reoluvr]

Thats exactly how I see it too racehorse and glassgal

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[unsure]

As I said so long as everyone who wants one can get one then it doesn't matter what anyone else does with their REOs. I choose who gets mine whether sold or given. That's my choice and if seen as selfish or unfair to anyone....oh well.

It is sad when you don't get the exact one you may have wanted but it always finds a good home. Rob works hard to make as many as he can so everyone can enjoy the best wood vaping device made!

 

[Miarose]

I have no problem with people selling anything they have purchased w/their own hard-earned money. it's theirs to do what they want with it.

I imagine it took some time to sit on-line and get in on the sale, as well as photograph and put the reos up for sale again, so that is labor too.

The good thing about Ebay is it's an objective marketplace, ie person creates an auction and it sells for what market will bear.

I hate to say this, and not the reo crowd, but when I sell stuff in the ECF classies, they are already "priced right", meaning a fair square good deal, and you would not believe the low-ball PMs you get, almost to the point of insulting esp. when you have knocked yourself out to list a genuinely fair deal.

At least on Ebay auction, it sells for what a group of people are willing to bid .... let them fight over it.

A lot of vapers on Ebay may not have access to knowing about REOs, or the woodville sale, etc. so I'm happy that REOs can move out of just "ECF" territory, because really, there are many vapers out there in the world who are NOT on internet forum. Now, they will love the product, and perhaps visit the REO site and so will their friends and family.

A larger audience is not a bad thing for REO



But look at it this way, Miarose.......somebody WILL get them, they just will get them on Ebay, and that woodie may be their *hearts desire* and make them very very happy.

I just don't feel that ECF or REOVILLE should be some kind of exclusive club for these mods to be. )

I'm inclined to agree, getting woodvils/reos out to a different crowd per se is good. Buying with intentions on flipping just goes against MY own ethics.

 

[retird]

I'm inclined to agree, getting woodvils/reos out to a different crowd per se is good. Buying with intentions on flipping just goes against MY own ethics.

I told myself 100 times not to post on this issue....but

I applaud your comments. I could elaborate but a picture is worth a thousand words. Let me set the stage.... Billet Box, brand new is $ 214.00 plus shipping..... here is the ebay listing by divemedic....note "reserve not met at $ 305.00" and Buy it Now price is HOW MUCH....

Billet Box Mod Brand New Unwrapped Version 3 Piebald Edition and Care Kit | eBay

I only post what I see...it's up to each of us as to what we think about "flipping"... I know what I think.... (note...divemedic just changed his ebay name to hs216)

 

[Miarose]

I told myself 100 times not to post on this issue....but

I applaud your comments. I could elaborate but a picture is worth a thousand words. Let me set the stage.... Billet Box, brand new is $ 214.00 plus shipping..... here is the ebay listing....note "reserve not met at $ 305.00" and Buy it Now price is HOW MUCH....

Billet Box Mod Brand New Unwrapped Version 3 Piebald Edition and Care Kit | eBay

I only post what I see...it's up to each of us as to what we think about "flipping"... I know what I think....

thank you. somethings i just feel strongly about, and it's difficult to contain my opinion on it.

 

[CrimsonJack]

Seriously, don't laugh, but an eRoll. It's tiny, and I was amazed because it packs a PUNCH. I guess that is why they are popular, PCC case looks like an iphone or something. Yes, it's a cig a like. But it's really good.

You could have one in your pocket somewhere, or even hide under the bathroom rug or sink It's tiny. holds 0.5ml in each tank.

Really, I found it quite satisfying. It is about the size of a king size cigarette.

Or, why not buy a few white cloud disposables? really not bad and they have tons of flavors, the mini flings are same size as a cig

I'm jjst thinking of stuff you can hide....eroll would fit in your sock!!!!!!!!!!

You guys are just horrible enablers! Seriously, if the guy was diabetic, would you be trying to sneakily send him chocolates? I'm all for the freedom to do what you like, but this is your health, bro. If you need to put it down for awhile, for your wife's sake if not for your own, put it down for awhile. Not that it's any of my business, but I watched my mom trying to get my dad to give up his cigars for ages, it took COPD to finally get him to put 'em down, just chiming in my . From your posts you seem like a good guy, would be nice to have ya around as long as possible!

I told myself 100 times not to post on this issue....but

I applaud your comments. I could elaborate but a picture is worth a thousand words. Let me set the stage.... Billet Box, brand new is $ 214.00 plus shipping..... here is the ebay listing....note "reserve not met at $ 305.00" and Buy it Now price is HOW MUCH....

Billet Box Mod Brand New Unwrapped Version 3 Piebald Edition and Care Kit | eBay

I only post what I see...it's up to each of us as to what we think about "flipping"... I know what I think....

I've actually given this a fair amount of thought since it was brought up in this thread. When it comes right down to it, we live in a capitalist society. What business can you think of that doesn't at some level involve someone buying as low as they can, then selling for as much profit as possible? I understand that there is an emotional component to this particular product that makes it a little sensitive for the folks here, but at the end of the day, that's what it is. A product. From the reaction on sale day I'm fairly sure that a few dudes posting their mods on ebay isn't hurting Rob's sales any, so what difference does it make? People talk about some folks not being able to get their first choice mods, or the run selling out before everyone who wanted one got a chance, but really, isn't that more affected by the collectors buying five or six mods at a time, just to have 'em? And don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the collectors, either, if they can afford it, buy away! But I do think it invalidates that particular argument. Anyway, whether or not folks agree with the ethics of flipping, I think some of the very personal sounding insults that have been thrown out are a bit harsh, don't you?

 

[debinnv]

awww Jack, you're a big poop. You are right of course though. I can't deny that, not when you put it that way.

 

[CrimsonJack]

awww Jack, you're a big poop. You are right of course though. I can't deny that, not when you put it that way.

Sorry, I had a soapbox moment! Stepping down now.

 

[retird]

I've actually given this a fair amount of thought since it was brought up in this thread. When it comes right down to it, we live in a capitalist society. What business can you think of that doesn't at some level involve someone buying as low as they can, then selling for as much profit as possible? I understand that there is an emotional component to this particular product that makes it a little sensitive for the folks here, but at the end of the day, that's what it is. A product. From the reaction on sale day I'm fairly sure that a few dudes posting their mods on ebay isn't hurting Rob's sales any, so what difference does it make? People talk about some folks not being able to get their first choice mods, or the run selling out before everyone who wanted one got a chance, but really, isn't that more affected by the collectors buying five or six mods at a time, just to have 'em? And don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the collectors, either, if they can afford it, buy away! But I do think it invalidates that particular argument. Anyway, whether or not folks agree with the ethics of flipping, I think some of the very personal sounding insults that have been thrown out are a bit harsh, don't you?

As said in my post, it's up to each of us as to what we think about "flipping"... I've edited my post to include that divemedic has since changed his ebay name...just stating what I see....we all are entitled to our own opinions and we should respect those opinions even tho they may differ from our own..

 

[CrimsonJack]

As said in my post, it's up to each of us as to what we think about "flipping"... I've edited my post to include that divemedic has since changed his ebay name...just stating what I see....we all are entitled to our own opinions and we should respect those opinions even tho they may differ from our own..

I realize I quoted your post when I chimed in on this, but it was only because it was the most recent post on the topic, not because I was pointing my response at you specifically. I'm sorry if it came across like that, I had no issues whatsoever with anything in your comment.

 

[Lavaca5]

I told myself 100 times not to post on this issue....but

I applaud your comments. I could elaborate but a picture is worth a thousand words. Let me set the stage.... Billet Box, brand new is $ 214.00 plus shipping..... here is the ebay listing by divemedic....note "reserve not met at $ 305.00" and Buy it Now price is HOW MUCH....

Billet Box Mod Brand New Unwrapped Version 3 Piebald Edition and Care Kit | eBay

I only post what I see...it's up to each of us as to what we think about "flipping"... I know what I think.... (note...divemedic just changed his ebay name to hs216)

Someone had an Aspire Nautilus listed for $71!!!! I contacted the seller with the following message:

"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!"