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Ahlusion E-Juice Part 3
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It sure is..and Eleanor, please take this in the right context.
I'm asking because the question has arisen and it needs to be hashed out. I feel there is no other place more fitting than right here on ECF since most of us get the same kind of response from Wlad. I'm not even going to email AHL about this.
The Question:
Have you, or any of you AHL fans, tasted a distinctive difference in the bases? I mean I use to love the base taste that is one reason I like so many FOOB. It's gone!
I almost do not recognize the latest NET tobaccos as if they contain no NET at all. Please though, this is not to start a chit slinging. It's just an honest question for someone that loves AHL juices still. I just miss the base flavor. Could be my palate has become so accustomed to it that I no longer taste it? Idk?
I personally do not notice any difference in the base flavor. However, most of my recent purchases have been of juices that are (1) new to me, or (2) nearly forgotten old faves (like CPBT). I also may not have the subtlest of palates!
Mia is definitely onto something. I have a recently-purchased but unopened bottle of CWW in my stash. It will be interesting to see how it compares to my older CWW, once I get around to opening it.
THIS. Is almost certainly the case, at least in part. Even if the possibility of "flavors" is left to us peon Citizens, I can practically guaran-damn-tee you that NO ACTUAL TOBACCO will be permitted in the flavorings for e-juice (except possibly if your name is RJR, or PM, etc . . .
)I love ya Sirius, but I must strenuously disagree with you on this bit of spec. In fact, I nearly consider it a slander . . . but then I have probably had more personal dealings with Wlad than you.
Ditto.
Same here, and on multiple occasions and for different reasons.
Wladimir Foo is a very smart, AND a very good, good man. His family, and his employees, depend upon his abilities to accurately navigate the currently treacherous waters of Big Foot Gooberment/ANTZ, as well as his ability to deal with related or unrelated upheavals in ingredient suppliers etc.
No, he is not warm and fuzzy and particularly into PR. He does not do "warnings" and mass communication the way we might wish (assuming he is even able to). If my latest Shipwreck and CWW (or any of the other tobaccos) taste different from what they used to, well . . . that's how the cookie crumbles. I know IT AIN'T PERSONAL! I also know that I can rely on AHL for the cleanest, best-tasting to me juices out there.
As for NET-heads . . . well, I used to be one too. I still LOVE tobaccos. But I am nearly certain that the future of NET e-juice is very bleak, unless we do our OWN extractions (which many NET-heads are indeed learning to do!).
I had sent an email to Ahlusion to ask about their diacetyl and acetyl propionyl testing policy. This afternoon i called to follow up, and ask about the supposed changes to their tobacco line as well. I spoke to a man called Justin at first and then to the sales manager whose name i forget. They tried to answer as best they could but they finally told me that only Wlad could answer my questions in any detail and that they would ask him to respond via email or phone.
This evening Wlad called me and we had a thirty minute chat in which he provided most of the answers i was hoping for.
My Cliffs on what Wlad told me :
- I was satisfied with the steps Wlad told me they are taking re diacetyl and A P testing in both the flavors and finished juices. I haven't seen any discussion on this thread on the issue, so i won't go into it here, but i will write more on this in a different thread discussing the issue.
- The only tobacco flavors that have undergone any changes at all are the Criminals, and even those are not to the formulation. Not sure what he meant tbh but i didn't press him too much on clarification. What i surmised was that some minor adjustment was made to quicken the steeping process.
- When they make a formulation change to a juice, they remove them from the menu, and they come back with either a different name or a change in the description.
- Their non-aromatic tobacco line are not NET's and never were. I told him about the description in the faq section, and he agreed with me that he sees how it might have been misleading. He wasn't too sure about the individual tobacco descriptions but checked them on-line while we were talking, and agreed that those could also be misleading.
- He explained to me that when naming specific tobacco's like Cavendish, Virginia, Turkish etc... what they mean is that they try to produce those flavor notes synthetically, in a lab.
- I asked specifically if any ingredient in their tobacco juice has at any time come into contact with tobacco leaves in any way, shape or form and the clear response was NO. In fact he made it clear that their aromatic and non-aromatic lines were manufactured in completely different parts of the building and the juices had no common ingredients besides pg/vg/nic.
Hope this clarifies some issues.
edit ; he also told me that the discontinuance of the aromatic line had nothing to do with proposed fda regulations, and everything to do with the cost of producing them vs. sales.
This evening Wlad called me and we had a thirty minute chat in which he provided most of the answers i was hoping for.
My Cliffs on what Wlad told me :
- I was satisfied with the steps Wlad told me they are taking re diacetyl and A P testing in both the flavors and finished juices. I haven't seen any discussion on this thread on the issue, so i won't go into it here, but i will write more on this in a different thread discussing the issue.
- The only tobacco flavors that have undergone any changes at all are the Criminals, and even those are not to the formulation. Not sure what he meant tbh but i didn't press him too much on clarification. What i surmised was that some minor adjustment was made to quicken the steeping process.
- When they make a formulation change to a juice, they remove them from the menu, and they come back with either a different name or a change in the description.
- Their non-aromatic tobacco line are not NET's and never were. I told him about the description in the faq section, and he agreed with me that he sees how it might have been misleading. He wasn't too sure about the individual tobacco descriptions but checked them on-line while we were talking, and agreed that those could also be misleading.
- He explained to me that when naming specific tobacco's like Cavendish, Virginia, Turkish etc... what they mean is that they try to produce those flavor notes synthetically, in a lab.
- I asked specifically if any ingredient in their tobacco juice has at any time come into contact with tobacco leaves in any way, shape or form and the clear response was NO. In fact he made it clear that their aromatic and non-aromatic lines were manufactured in completely different parts of the building and the juices had no common ingredients besides pg/vg/nic.
Hope this clarifies some issues.
edit ; he also told me that the discontinuance of the aromatic line had nothing to do with proposed fda regulations, and everything to do with the cost of producing them vs. sales.
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I personally do not notice any difference in the base flavor. However, most of my recent purchases have been of juices that are (1) new to me, or (2) nearly forgotten old faves (like CPBT). I also may not have the subtlest of palates!
Mia is definitely onto something. I have a recently-purchased but unopened bottle of CWW in my stash. It will be interesting to see how it compares to my older CWW, once I get around to opening it.
THIS. Is almost certainly the case, at least in part. Even if the possibility of "flavors" is left to us peon Citizens, I can practically guaran-damn-tee you that NO ACTUAL TOBACCO will be permitted in the flavorings for e-juice (except possibly if your name is RJR, or PM, etc . . .
I love ya Sirius, but I must strenuously disagree with you on this bit of spec. In fact, I nearly consider it a slander . . . but then I have probably had more personal dealings with Wlad than you.
Ditto.
Same here, and on multiple occasions and for different reasons.
Wladimir Foo is a very smart, AND a very good, good man. His family, and his employees, depend upon his abilities to accurately navigate the currently treacherous waters of Big Foot Gooberment/ANTZ, as well as his ability to deal with related or unrelated upheavals in ingredient suppliers etc.
No, he is not warm and fuzzy and particularly into PR. He does not do "warnings" and mass communication the way we might wish (assuming he is even able to). If my latest Shipwreck and CWW (or any of the other tobaccos) taste different from what they used to, well . . . that's how the cookie crumbles. I know IT AIN'T PERSONAL! I also know that I can rely on AHL for the cleanest, best-tasting to me juices out there.
As for NET-heads . . . well, I used to be one too. I still LOVE tobaccos. But I am nearly certain that the future of NET e-juice is very bleak, unless we do our OWN extractions (which many NET-heads are indeed learning to do!).
I based that on when I asked about the price increase Eleanor. I wasn't trying to be dickish about it. Thats why I sad.."I think........"
You too dear one.Price increase was due to competition btw.
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All I can say Maz is WOW. Great info and thank you for sharing. When you start a new thread on the conversation would you please post or PM me because I am very interested. I have been almost strictly Ahlusion since I found them almost 1 yr ago and I love the flavors, customer service I personally have received, and being me, I like to know. As I stated in an earlier post, I am a successful home extractor of tobacco, very small time for personal use and sharing with other NET extractors only, so the NET part is not my concern. I just hope my fave juice supplier will be around in unknown times to come.
What I have found out about myself is AHL has turned me into one picky sumb......h! Spoiled rotten and I doubt I will ever be satisfied with any changes to the line.
What I have found out about myself is AHL has turned me into one picky sumb......h! Spoiled rotten and I doubt I will ever be satisfied with any changes to the line.
I don't think i will start a new thread, but i will post in one of the threads already discussing diacetyl and A P. Unfortunately most of the discussion has been on the Suicide Bunny Mothers Milk thread, which was sort of hijacked early, after the reports of high diketone levels in their juice.
Thanks Mazinny for the info. My comparisons were between juices that were well steeped and very new, so it's a big relief to know that's what is making the difference. Ahlusion's tobacco line is where I mainly shop and it's good to know my favorites are still the same.
Ahlusion's current tobacco line gives new meaning to the term "al·lu·sion."
Uh... no, it doesn't. Gotta love Wlad. I know I enjoy many of his juices whether they are what I thought they were or an illusion.
Uh... no, it doesn't. Gotta love Wlad. I know I enjoy many of his juices whether they are what I thought they were or an illusion.
Ahlusion's current tobacco line gives new meaning to the term "al·lu·sion."
Uh... no, it doesn't. Gotta love Wlad. I know I enjoy many of his juices whether they are what I thought they were or an illusion.
You would NOT believe how many times I have said/heard AHL has the best NET juices. SC, JC, CWW...ect...uugh the powers of suggestion.
Hey unfortunately a couple of peeps may have gotten pissedoff with me..but I raised that question knowing full well some fans would be .......
It ain't nothing but a thang though. We all good I hope?
Odd thing, being a NET lover, is for the last 2 years one of the top voted NETs on the yearly poll was Smooth Criminal. Guess it's all an A (il) usion. Still my fave juice vendor, whatever!
Hey unfortunately a couple of peeps may have gotten pissedoff with me..but I raised that question knowing full well some fans would be .......
It ain't nothing but a thang though. We all good I hope?
I knew there would be some feathers ruffled, too. It seems to happen whenever issues are discussed on a fan thread. It makes me wonder. Is there a more neutral ground to discuss things that need to be discussed in an honest and rational way, without worrying about feather ruffling and sword falling?
We're better than good.
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