Airplane Peanut Thrower Arrested!! (that just happened to be using an ecig)

[WomanOfHeart]

You take this pretty seriously woman-of-heart. I love your intentions. However, if anyone really took smoking cigarettes seriously, they would have banned the sale of cigarettes a long time ago. Same for gambling. Same for alcohol. Vices live on in our society, as long as they are not promoted as anything other than a vice.

IMHO,
Dave

I do take it pretty seriously. I don't want my right to vape banned completely because some people feel they have to behave like children when they hear the word "no." Outrageous behavior isn't going to make vaping accepted and it doesn't paint the rest of us who don't act like that in a good light.

 

[want to quit]

I do take it pretty seriously. I don't want my right to vape banned completely because some people feel they have to behave like children when they hear the word "no." Outrageous behavior isn't going to make vaping accepted and it doesn't paint the rest of us who don't act like that in a good light.

again I have to say I am 100% with you on this one. Some people think "oh I am the only one doing it that won't hurt anyone" but in fact each piece adds up to another and at one point it will effect the rest of us. +1 for you

 

[thomas_mikel]

I do take it pretty seriously. I don't want my right to vape banned completely because some people feel they have to behave like children when they hear the word "no." Outrageous behavior isn't going to make vaping accepted and it doesn't paint the rest of us who don't act like that in a good light.

That is why there are age limitations on some behaviors. We are supposedly old enough to act responsible. Sadly age does not always come with wisdom.

 

[Cronus6]

I do take it pretty seriously. I don't want my right to vape banned completely because some people feel they have to behave like children when they hear the word "no." Outrageous behavior isn't going to make vaping accepted and it doesn't paint the rest of us who don't act like that in a good light.

While I totally agree with what you are saying, I'm still betting that this guy was drinking (or something 'else'), or mentally unstable. We aren't hearing the whole story, and probably never will.
He probably would have freaked out over not getting headphones too... The e-cig is likely a red-herring.

They aren't "supposed" to allow people on flights that seem "intoxicated" yet many airlines STILL sell beer and liquor.

 

[txtumbleweed]

They should ban alcohol on the plane instead of e-cig. I have flown across the Pacific Ocean on a prop plane that took 36 hrs with 90% of the soldiers chain smoking. Non smokers had it rough back then, I guess they are getting even with us now. lol

 

[Chinner]

If any of you haven't been reading this thread as well, it's worth a read.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/203909-walmart.html

The disconnect that exists between reasonable respectful vapers, and the militant folks who insist they have the right to do whatever the hell they want is alarming to me. I'm all for promoting the positive effects of vaping over smoking, and for having the right to use my PV in public, but if anyone truly believes that we'll be accepted by rubbing it in people's faces, maybe your smoking the wrong stuff. It only takes one complaint to get something banned by a management group.

So next time you want to be a hero activist, especially some sensitive places such as a freaking airplane, just remember that it's you that will stigmatize vapers and cause a ban, not guys like me sneaking a vape discreetly where appropriate.

 

[Tendril]

I do take it pretty seriously. I don't want my right to vape banned completely because some people feel they have to behave like children when they hear the word "no." Outrageous behavior isn't going to make vaping accepted and it doesn't paint the rest of us who don't act like that in a good light.

I expect that this person and a lot of people who would act this way don't see e-cigs as a lifetime hobby, but rather a short-term workaround

 

[Cronus6]

Counterpoint .. the higher the tax, the more quit .. thus, the Governmental need for the cash is really not true .. in fact, if they truly wanted more cash, they would lower the tax and promote smoking .. as well, it is an unacceptable burdon on the Heath Care system as it is a voluntary activity .. proven over many years to be a heath hazard ..

The more I think about this the less I agree. According to CDC statistics the percentage of adult smokers has held basically steady from 2004-2009 at ~20.5%. Since 1997 the total number of smokers only dropped a whopping...... 4%

Now I'm unsure of just how MUCH the taxes have increased but I think we all know they HAVE many times over both of these periods.

Recently a lot of people started switching to "roll-your-own" tobacco, which lead to the PACT act* which, among other things, started taxing "RYO" tobacco "at a closer level too traditional cigarettes". So the stats after '09 would be interesting to see.

So no, I don't think higher taxes "really" makes more people quit. I might make them TRY to quit, but they relapse. Or it might make them look for cheaper alternatives such as Roll-Your-Own, switching to a cheaper brand, smoking a pipe, smoking "little cigars w/filters" (*wink-wink*) or even e-cigarettes.

I think the government knows they have a captive ~20% of the population that they can tax at will and at the same time demonize so no one will see this as an abuse. When cigarette smokers do finally hit the point where they can't afford it and move to something else, the government just taxes that. And those people are often removed from the statistics on cigarette smokers, even though they really still are, and are still being taxed accordingly. I'm going to guess that the actual percentage of "tobacco product users", including US, probably causes that 4% decline somewhat, maybe substantially.

Has cigarette consumption gone down? Yes. Is it directly related to increased taxes? Once it hit 20% of the population not really.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhis/earlyrelease/earlyrelease201006.pdf#page=52 <--- PDF warning.

 

[wdave]

That is why there are age limitations on some behaviors. We are supposedly old enough to act responsible. Sadly age does not always come with wisdom.

Underage vapor people are the most likely reason for our demise (because unlike real cigs, ecigs can taste like candy). I just can't understand why people promote ecigs so much and make them sound so cool. And I haven't seen many members of this forum being sensitive to the fact they may be talking to someone under 18.

We should always be clear that we are nicotine addicts and not recommend in any way that a child become one also.

Just my two cents.

BTW, are we off topic yet?

Dave

 

[Uncle Willie]

Ok let's try without paraphrasing. Lowering the tax and promoting would never happen no matter how much revenue because the anti's would have that politicians head and career on a platter. Most of the politicians don't care a lick about the govt. or the people. They vote on what gets them re-elected and lines their own pockets.

It's a hypothetical scenario ..

 

[Darrigaaz]

Can we have the title of this thread changed from "Man arrested for using e-cig on plane and throwing peanuts!! lol" to something else? The title gives the impression that the person was arrested for using their e-cig on the plane, which is actually not the case.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I think the government knows they have a captive ~20% of the population that they can tax at will and at the same time demonize so no one will see this as an abuse. When cigarette smokers do finally hit the point where they can't afford it and move to something else, the government just taxes that. And those people are often removed from the statistics on cigarette smokers, even though they really still are, and are still being taxed accordingly. I'm going to guess that the actual percentage of "tobacco product users", including US, probably causes that 4% decline somewhat, maybe substantially.

The primary point of my statement is this .. "The actions of Government as it relates to cigarette sales and taxing does not indicate the Government needs or cares about the tax revenue generated .. this is proven by Governments ACTIONS to reduce and elimimate smoking thru a consorted campaign for a number of years designed to reduce and/or eliminate smoking, based on heath reasons directed at both the smoker and those exposed to second hand smoke" .. I don't know how much clearer I can make it ..

Increased taxation has been and will continue to be used as a method of financial hurt toward smokers .. and increased taxation does reduce the number of users .. I don't know where your stats came from, in 1997 24.7% was the percentage of adults .. in 2010 it is 20.6% .. that would be I believe a 16.6% drop ..

 

[Badgerangel]

I follow the same courtesy as a vaper that I did as a smoker. I look for no-smoking signs, I don't bug people about it, and if I want a quick vape, I stealth it in the restroom. There's no reason to be obnoxious. No one will ever take us seriously if we are. If we present a calm, rational face to the public, and act like adults instead of children (I mean, throwing peanuts? REALLY? How old are you, five?) then we'll be taken seriously and treated like calm, rational adults.

 

[want to quit]

Can we have the title of this thread changed from "Man arrested for using e-cig on plane and throwing peanuts!! lol" to something else? The title gives the impression that the person was arrested for using their e-cig on the plane, which is actually not the case.

I tried changing it but I don't think I am able to sorry.

 

[wdave]

I follow the same courtesy as a vaper that I did as a smoker. I look for no-smoking signs, I don't bug people about it, and if I want a quick vape, I stealth it in the restroom. There's no reason to be obnoxious. No one will ever take us seriously if we are. If we present a calm, rational face to the public, and act like adults instead of children (I mean, throwing peanuts? REALLY? How old are you, five?) then we'll be taken seriously and treated like calm, rational adults.

As a former smoker, I find it difficult to believe you are so caring about non-smokers

 

[Darrigaaz]

I tried changing it but I don't think I am able to sorry.

A mod should be able to change it. Just let them know what you want it changed to, since it's your thread and all.

 

[want to quit]

I really consider myself an nicotine/cig addict and being from Germany I had often times to sit in the plane for 11 hrs without smoking now I really ask myself how messed up do you have to be to not be able to sit there for what 2-3 hrs? and not vape. This guy really seems to be a ignorant idiot.

He probably sits in jail right now asking the guard if he can get his PV back lool.

 

[want to quit]

Thanks will do any requests? suggestions? ideas?

 

[oldsoldier]

I tried changing it but I don't think I am able to sorry.

As the OP you can report the post and ask for the title to be changed. be sure to include the title you want.

 

[oldsoldier]

That is correct. The OP of a thread can request a title change. It is always better to use the report tool because all the mods can see it as opposed to PMing a mod that may or may not be online to do it. The online status indicators are not always accurate.