Oh and, simply to help lessen any angst, I wanted to re-post Scottbee's clarification of the context in which he used the phrase "going all FDA," since you said this again subsequent to his clarification:
He had previously replied...
I don't know him and obviously can't speak for him, but I'm pretty dern sure he meant it in the
sense of the things that were wrong with how the FDA drew and disseminated its conclusions;
not in the
sense of someone asking or 'defacto asking' for FDA involvement/scrutiny(!). (Not indicating you should or will like that usage either, and not expressing any opinion, just helping clarify.)
Whew! Ok, glad you guys talked that one out again.
Hi miss MiA,
The only reason I mentioned it again is because that particular verbiage was used again although not by Scottbee. I don't want anyone to think that we are implying in any way that that FDA should be brought into this as that would stop most people from paying any attention to what is being addressed. It is pretty much a swear word. I kind of equate it to the lepers who were branded warning people to stay away.
Oh and one more potentially crossed wire I noticed, a semantics thing. When Scottbee comes back to saying "No we
don't KNOW that it's unsafe" (or whether it presents a problem besides not knowing), I think he's speaking in terms of
only a professional, technical, scientific standard of what is required in order for it to be accurate to state/conclude/'know' something is or isn't safe. Pretty much a yes or no matter: Do we know what kind of poly fiber it is, and has it been tested under the unique conditions applicable to
vaping, or not? If not, then as far as statements or claims that can be made, it can only be
technically, factually accurate to state that we don't know. Hmmm, maybe it's just too early, or maybe it could be looked at as a distant cousin of the ol' "Have you stopped beating your wife yet" question. (...was gonna put a smiley or wink there but somehow didn't seem right following a sentence containing "beating your wife...")
I think I know what Scottbee meant with his statements but to ask us to prove it in context with the vapor from cartos is impossible for most if not all of us. We don't have a lab. But as I stated, it has been proven that burning synthetic materials are very toxic and often in small amounts. Somehow I don't think that is going to change just because it wasn't cartos in particular that were tested. I know too that a person could say "define small amounts" etc. but to me that is just nit picking and trying to confuse the issues. I do realize that is just my opinion and others may differ.
Possibly-mediocre analogy: Many of us probably feel that the existing data we can cobble together already
does "prove" (and there's no such thing as "pretty much proving") that ecigs have to be (well nope, can't say "have to be" either, not part of a factual sentence, implies guessing) safer than real cigs. But we can't say that, would be a false claim as it results only from a 'common sensical,' fallible, scientifically unproven leap.
I agree with you 100% here. I've never thought that vaping had to automatically be better than smoking but up until this burning synthetic material reared it's ugly head (although I do understand it has been mentioned in the past and quickly dismissed) I hoped it is. Hope being the operative word. We don't really know but now I have fears that at least with using these burning cartos, it is actually worse.
We can't even say that we
know inhaling PG via vaping is safe (or at least long-term), despite the positive relevant studies we
do have, including on use in things like medical inhalers; because it has not been studied in the way vapers are actually
using it -- in this comparatively great amount and frequency. Maybe hundreds of 'hits' per day, vs. a few occasional inhalations over a day or week or month with something like an asthma inhaler. (Actually, I've heard at least one long-timer big cheese here say there's a variant of Nicotrol inhaler that contains PG, so may be a less pointy point if so.)
I hope that was cohesive and made sense (didn't sleep last night, insomnia strikes again! :-/ ), but regardless, to the scientist or engineering reader I'd imagine the way I've assembled my attempt at refocusing is at best "quaint" lol.
Again, this isn't meant to express any opinions whatsoever, nor to minimize anything. Just trying to help spread global peace and harmony, like I always do.
I know you aren't trying to minimize anything. And if you have a differing opinion, there is nothing wrong with stating that. Differing opinions is what creates progress. I suppose it can depend on how it is stated/expressed though as to whether or not people will pay any attention to it.
