Alliance of Electronic Smokers - Amicus Brief

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madman3237

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You've been a member since Aug 2008 and only made one friend.

Gee, I wonder why. :confused:
Easy Jim, remember he's on our side too. I made a couple of posts elsewhere that questioned the motives of the mysterious AES - before they announced.
And maybe he, like me, doesn't fell comfortable asking people to be "Friends".

Deewal, this was a rush job and council advised secrecy until the filing. I am sure Sun understands.

:D
 

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I'm completely shocked by some who have sat back and done NOTHING to protect the rights of vapers everywhere, yet can feel justified in criticizing people who actually got off their .... and tried to do SOMETHING.

Same people who probably don't vote yet complain the loudest about the government, don't attend school conferences yet complain about the teachers, don't maintain their car yet complain that mechanic fees are too expensive, etc. They demean and criticize those that have to go out and do that work for them.

If you don't like how things are being done, then get off your .... and do something about it. But if you can't or won't, don't complain that things aren't being done YOUR way or how you would have done, had you bothered.

Even as a new vaper, I, for one, already do not want to wait any longer, trusting that someone else will step up for me. Nor listen to naysayers who say "the writing is on the wall." That kind of apathy and resignation will get us what we'd deserve - nothing.

I didn't have any attorney friends to approach, so I am in complete gratitude to the person who actually did something about this. But that doesn't mean I can't do my part in other ways - like the article I wrote and posting rebuttles whenever I see e-cigs misrepresented on the web. I truly believe that getting public support through education and the dissemination of the truth will help our cause. We, as consumers, need to do that, as retailers and distributors have alterior motives in the public eye.

But just sitting here, doing nothing, yet undermining the confidence and pride of those who do is unconscionable.

As my father used to say, "If you aren't part of the solution, then you're part of the problem." (Also an old African saying.)

Or, as my mother would say, "You, too, could be replaced with a broken switch and be just as useful."

And being from Wisconsin, a quote from Vince Lombardi: "People who work together will win, whether it be against complex football defenses, or the problems of modern society."

Smart guy.

Let's all work together to be a part of the solution, shall we?
 

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I'm completely shocked by some who have sat back and done NOTHING to protect the rights of vapers everywhere, yet can feel justified in criticizing people who actually got off their .... and tried to do SOMETHING.

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Let's all work together to be a part of the solution, shall we?

Kristin -- I'm not sure if anyone has told you this lately or not. But YOU ROCK!

And ditto all of what you said too! :)
 

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On behalf of the Ad Hoc group that filed this brief.....you are all quite welcome. But more importantly, we hoped to speak for all vapers and e-cig users. The thanks really go to the vaping community at large for inspiring us to "DO SOMETHING." We are realistic enough to know that this is just one small battle in the greater war to gain our right to vape. We could not, in good conscience, sit by without trying to act. Thankfully, we were given the wonderful gift of attorneys that care more about the consumers right than the almighty dollar and the thanks should go to them. Yes, work was done to obtain such counsel and quick thinking was needed to formulate the "right team," but as a whole, we are pleased with the resulting brief and pray it will be enough to make a difference. If not, we shall not fold or take our ball and go home....quietly into the good night. we will continue to fight for our Right To Vape. I appreciate the words above regarding action and being part of the solution...right on to you.
Thanks for all of your words of encouragement, It is truly heartwarming,
Bonnie:)

PS:And Kristin, you do rock!
 
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BigJimW

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Same people who probably don't vote yet complain the loudest about the government, don't attend school conferences yet complain about the teachers, don't maintain their car yet complain that mechanic fees are too expensive, etc. They demean and criticize those that have to go out and do that work for them.

If you don't like how things are being done, then get off your .... and do something about it. But if you can't or won't, don't complain that things aren't being done YOUR way or how you would have done, had you bothered.

Even as a new vaper, I, for one, already do not want to wait any longer, trusting that someone else will step up for me. Nor listen to naysayers who say "the writing is on the wall." That kind of apathy and resignation will get us what we'd deserve - nothing.

Let's all work together to be a part of the solution, shall we?

I quoted the key pieces. I've been saying this all along.

Kristin, will you marry me? :hubba:

All kidding aside (except the marriage proposal. Orgasms and vaping galore on our honeymoon! :D) apathy and sitting on our cans waiting for the next guy or gal to do something will do nothing for the cause.

I know what my next video will be this weekend. Unfortunately my dog chewed on my hat a bit more and it needs repair. :(

VAPE STRONG and keep the fight. That's all we can do. This war is not over.
 
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BigJimW

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Easy Jim, remember he's on our side too. I made a couple of posts elsewhere that questioned the motives of the mysterious AES - before they announced.
And maybe he, like me, doesn't fell comfortable asking people to be "Friends".

Deewal, this was a rush job and council advised secrecy until the filing. I am sure Sun understands.

:D


I would go easy if he PMed me his concerns. But instead, he replied in this thread and insulted both me and the topic starter.

Nice guy he is. I'd rather have him on Banzhalf's side. :nah:
 

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It would have been a common human courtesy for you to have updated Sun with all of the information that you had on the content of the Brief you had filed yesterday along with the information that it was you who had filed it so that he could have saved his valuable time and effort trying to find just who the AES where and trying to download pdf's (which you already had and could have given him) so that he could keep us all informed in the main thread.
After all the work, time and money he has put into the main thread i find it incredibly thoughtless if not downright rude of you not to have shared this information with him.
That is what has made me Angry. :mad: Not that you filed the Brief.
What would have been the harm to have let him know what was going on.
I hope you have all apologised to him for your shameful treatment of him.

I make no apologies for this post.

Deewal,

We did post the information shortly after we saw on the SE thread that the SE attorney let the cat out of the bag. If an apology is necessary, here it is: I apologize to you directly that I don't have the time to monitor this board 24/7 - I've been busy trying to make a difference. When I did post the announcement I included a link on Sun's thread. Today, realizing (mainly from your posts) that there may be some concern about how this was presented I posted to Sun directly explaining why I did it. Sorry, but that was the best I could do. I don't intend to claim I can appease everyone in the world and that includes you.

I would appreciate it very much if you would refrain from trying to start a flame war on this thread. If that's your intention then please open another thread and do it there - If that is what you're after please understand you won't get further reaction from me there or here. If you really want to do something constructive, send me your details so we can we can add your name in support of the brief.

Edited to strike the last line this post - Didn't realize Deewal is in Scotland.
 
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OH my gosh, I just got to read all this tonight, great read! Thank you all for your contribution. This is amazing & certainly can't hurt. Rather than flame each other, lets get together as a community & fight our battle. We should be proud of what they are trying to do! I will pm all my info & hope everyone on the forum will do the same. This is a fantastic opportunity for all of us. Hope all of you will join in. Lets be in this together. Kudos to you all!
 

jwhite

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Deewal,

We did post the information shortly after we saw on the SE thread that the SE attorney let the cat out of the bag. If an apology is necessary, here it is: I apologize to you directly that I don't have the time to monitor this board 24/7 - I've been busy trying to make a difference. When I did post the announcement I included a link on Sun's thread. Today, realizing (mainly from your posts) that there may be some concern about how this was presented I posted to Sun directly explaining why I did it. Sorry, but that was the best I could do. I don't intend to claim I can appease everyone in the world and that includes you.

I would appreciate it very much if you would refrain from trying to start a flame war on this thread. If that's your intention then please open another thread and do it there - If that is what you're after please understand you won't get further reaction from me there or here. If you really want to do something constructive, send me your details so we can we can add your name in support of the brief.

Lika - don't appologize for doing what everyone talks about but doesn't do. :nah:That's bs!!! If we listened to people that only have negative things to say and took that to heart then we might as well light up the boro's and toss our pv's!!! What's the point right? No, you people actually did something about it, and now instead of saying great job, thanks for your effort, and everything else that should be said, they want to criticize you. Screw that...
 

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Deewal--I'm not asking for a pity party here, but we really did do the best we could, and it's kind of insulting for you to suggest otherwise.

There was no intention to disrespect Sun. I suspect, however, that Sun is smart enough to understand that.

We were so pushed for time that even our dearest friends were left in the dark and learned when everyone else did--when we posted our announcement. Even so, not one of them has uttered even a single word of reproach, and I am beyond grateful to them for that.

Vicks said in a post (and forgive me--I'm too tired to go find it and quote her directly) that we are our biggest enemy, and others have echoed that sentiment . . . and rightfully so because it is the truth. We simply cannot afford to squabble with each other while our right to vape is being challenged.

And with that, it's time for me to once again clean out my PM box and add some more names in support of the brief. :)
 

grimmer255

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heck yea dont listen to the negative BS.....I dont see them doing a thing....I vape at my college I go to the smokeing area and people ask all the time. I give out some cards from different venders that I have had great success from.....(i do it for free just to let you know) I do this because i want to see people quit smoking...I show them the ecig and they love it. But that is how I try to help I dont have time for anything else im up to my ears in studies...but i still do something......I should be studying now.
 
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