Alternatives to tanks and cartos?

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Oh and Baditude... Provape stopped selling the Z Atty Pro... lots of complaints were on their site regarding their tank systems they offer now in regards to them not having the Z Atty Pro (even though I have no idea what the Z Atty Pro is... I do recognize the name from people saying the tanks offered by Provape were junk in comparison)

Where's the link? I just read the next batch is due for sale next week?
 

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From what I've read, a lot of sites are classifying the Vivi Nova as a clearomizer, even though it uses the "atomizer heads" so... I'm still doing some quick research on what all goes into the RBAs but as of this moment.. I must say the RBAs seem WAY over my head and much more work than I'm used to with the carto&tank combination as well as the Vivi Nova.. I watched PBursardo's review of the Vivi Nova 2.5 and it was rather good... for a man I've never met before I must say I trust his opinions in the vaping world.. LOL!! Though without trying to sound like an @$$ kisser, Baditude and Zapped here on ECF have helped me EXTENSIVELY find things I didn't even know existed and explained many things I'd still be completely clueless on and for that I'm putting them on that pedestal as well LOL
 

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Well I was thinking it was my liquid but I've used a pure vg, pure pg, and a 50/50 and all of the cartos have basically just clogged up to the point of needing to strain just for a hit.

They're all 3 ohm xl cartos 2 hole punch from Provape so I'd assume at least one of those combos would work, but no dice.

I asked about the vivi nova because I've heard a lot of good things, but I'll definitely look at that video when I get the chance. I watched his reviews of several other things before buying my Provari ..

Are the Kanger and vivi nova made with a 510 to fit the Provari?? I could swear I heard the nova 2.5 was, but not entirely sure.. I'd rather avoid using an adapter if possible

With the Kanger T3 you'll need a 510-Ego adapter. The Vision vivi nova should be fine - it's a 510 connection. The fact that its a provari isn't really going to make much difference when discussing 510 threaded attachments. Its a 510 connection with variable voltage - 510 accessories will fit on it.
 

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It was one of the reviewers claiming they were no longer carrying them, though after I posted that link and did some searching, I found the link to them on the Provape website where they're simply listed as Out Of Stock..

Though I'm still having to research this whole RBA concept.. Unless I'm just over complicating things, it seems like a lot more in depth than I'm looking to get at the moment when, the right carto and liquid combination, or the Vivi Nova seem to be what I'm really looking at.

What are the advantages of the RBAs like the Z Atty Pro, just out of curiosity ??? I'm still trying to figure that one out myself while researching the use of them in general.
 

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Bobas is really thick juice even for 100 percent VG. Asking for more flavoring at checkout helps (its easy to miss, its a small checkbox) and Ive read that slotting with a dremel tool helps as well since youre making a larger hole (s). Just be careful you dont cut too far into the carto and cut the filler or wire.
 

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In general RBAS need more fine tuning and have a higher margin of user error but when working right the taste is AMAZING, second only to dripping.

I tried them briefly and decided they were more work and fiddling then I had time for. That and Im just lazy :)

In terms of flavor WITH MY JUICE PREFERENCE of higher vg I can rate the following juice delivery methods in terms of flavor from lowest to highest as follows.

Cartomizer......Clearomizer/Clearo Tank.......Carto Tank.....RBAs....Dripping.

If youre looking for ease of use and portability/being able to use while driving etc then Carto tanks (with the right setup) or the ViVi Novas (with the right juice blends) are hard to beat.
 

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Right now, after hearing some of his other video reviews, I must say the Vivi Nova is looking like its going to be more my style. Though I can't thank Baditude enough for originally pointing me in the direction of IBTanked. For the price, it is more than worth trying out a different brand of carto with one of their tanks to see if I just simply got the S$&% end of the stick with products from Provape.

My fault entirely for not researching more thoroughly into my options before purchasing the ProVari. But I was more than eager to get started using it as quickly as possible and I think the phrase "learned my lesson" doesn't quite cover it this time around LOL
 

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Zapped I would have to agree on the part about myself being too lazy for the RBA's.. I was watching one of PBusardo's reviews of a different RBA and even he was complaining about the complexity of putting the wicks together.. LOL

What juice blends are you using again? Have you found your all day vape yet or a preference?
 

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well apparently not yet... LOL. My all time favorite is the Sahara blend from V2 cigs.. but its one of the ones that clogged up the cartos from Provape, and according to their bottles, its a pure PG liquid.

I've got three coming in from EC Blend.. but they're a 50/50 ratio so I don't know how they'll work in the Provape cartos I should be getting in early next week. There are also three flavors I'm wanting to try from Heathers Heavenly Vapes, but with these I'll be choosing a 70pg/30vg ratio to see how they work in the cartos from provape as well as the others I'll be purchasing at the same time (be it Smoktech or Ikenvape, whatever is in stock at the time).
--- EDIT--- The 50/50s I tried before were from EC Blend as well that didn't work, but they were sample sizes and I'm curious if I possibly didn't prime the carto well enough thinking I would be at a loss for liquid in the tank. ---

Right now I'm actually attempting to clean out one of the clogged up cartos from earlier today and try some of the liquid I have left over from Volcano. Another user said they use a 70/30 ratio as well, and I've never had any problems with them clogging up when I was using their cartos with my Inferno. So possibly its just a ratio thing I need to accommodate for?? I'll post back if the cleaning even works and I'm able to vape from this carto.. and if so I'll probably give an update tomorrow from work as to whether or not I'm still able to vape from it. I just really hate using his 1.5 ohm I had left over from the Inferno.. that would technically be classified as an LR, if I'm not mistaken?? Having to cut my voltage down to around 3.4-3.7 on the Provari and even the Provape website says LR isn't recommended to be used with it.

I'm hoping this works.. I also have two liquids (unsure about ratio) directly from Provape.. Whitehorse tobacco and Goldrush tobacco.. I tried these when I first unpacked and charged the Provari and wanted to vomit in my device. I've heard with some tobaccos to use a much higher voltage because they taste better when hotter, but wow... there is a LOT of room for improvement on those. The after taste was nothing shy of absolutely wretched.. had an overwhelming chemical taste to them, and I know about steeping, those these bottles (to my knowledge) are not made to order, so steeping shouldn't be an overly big issue I wouldn't think??
 
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If theyre still firing now is as good a time as any time to take those clogged cartos and clean them. I use distilled or bottled water and boil them. Helps if you add some high octane clear vodka too. I boil them twice, changing the water and let em dry in a sunny spot for 24-48 hours.

Might help until you get some you like
 

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Just wondering your opinion on the following I saw on youtube... does this seem like something that would actually work, or is this just some ripoff homemade device a guy is putting together and selling to make some quick cash?? LOL... logically it seems sound, but just the crude design makes me kind of leery, you know??

 

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Was also wanting to ask, with the ViVi Nova.. would your PG/VG ratios really even matter all that much when it comes to FUNCTIONALITY... it seems to be the key factor, or at least one of them from the crap I've been through with cartos and tanks.. but looking at the design of the Vivi Nova... I wouldn't think it would be overly difficult for those wicks to absorb just about any ratio and get it to the coil without much problem.. just wondering though
 

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Was also wanting to ask, with the ViVi Nova.. would your PG/VG ratios really even matter all that much when it comes to FUNCTIONALITY... it seems to be the key factor, or at least one of them from the crap I've been through with cartos and tanks.. but looking at the design of the Vivi Nova... I wouldn't think it would be overly difficult for those wicks to absorb just about any ratio and get it to the coil without much problem.. just wondering though

Would seem that way but Im seeing a LOT of people on the forums reporting difficulty with high VG juices and muted flavor. If youre into rebuilding (which it sounds like enither of us are) then there are some fixes for it. It seems to be an issue with the coil being wrapped too tightly choking off juice and maybe even the Nova having a higher resistance when filled versus dry. Havent gotten conclusive evidence on that yet.

At the vg ratios youre stating it should work fine for you
 

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There's not a snowball's chance in H&%L that this 70pg/30vg (supposedly) liquid from Volcano is going to work in these cartos. I just got a mouthful of liquid and it drained all inside the threading of my Provari..

I think I'll just wait on the ECBlend 50/50 and try it with the brand new cartos Provape is shipping out after the delivery mix up. If I still have problems, then as much as I love carto and tank set ups, that just might be the breaking point. I really don't want to spend the extra money on my limited budget not knowing if this is going to just be a problem I personally can't conquer for whatever reason I can't figure out.. or if its just going to take too much trial and error than I have the patience for.

I think if Ikenvape or Smoktech restocks their 510's in the right ohms and size, I'll give them a try with these crap tanks I got from Provape (the tanks shouldn't be making a difference as I'm only using tobacco liquids, nothing with cinnamon or others known to cause problems with the plastics) just to see with the 70/30 liquid I'll be getting from Heathers Heavenly Vapes.

But I'll be ordering 3 or 4 kits with some backup heads for the Vivi Nova for sure.. this is just really pushing me to the limit.. LOL
 
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