Am I a bad person for not wanting vaporizers to become mainstream?

[Herdo]

quite the opposite, I believe.

You guys don't actually think the big tob guys are getting into ecigs because it's going to be a dying industry do you?

Follow the money. Ever hear that?



Yes, I keep saying this, so I agree

I don't consider Lorillard "big tobacco". Their main product is a very niche product, Newports, that caters to a very specific group. In all honesty I don't understand why a tobacco company would even want to get involved with electronic cigarettes. It's a hobby, not a consumer product (for now). If it wasn't for the thousands of flavors from hundreds of different vendors for me to try, I probably wouldn't even be interested. That's not good for big tobaccco!

That's what I am worried about. Purchasing nicotine in the form required to DIY could be made illegal. Then we wouldn't have the option to make our own juices. After that, "e-liquids" could be deemed a hazard because children might smell it thinking it's candy and drink it. Then we would be forced to use pre-filled carts. Then we are back to square one and before you know it, e-cigarette companies are using additives in their carts to create an extra layer of addiction, to keep you coming back to their brand.

The same companies that are buying up electronic cigarettes today, are going to be the same one's lobbying to make anything but pre-filled cartridges illegal. Blu doesn't make money off of people filling their own carts. Blu makes money off people paying $15+ (last I checked) for 5 cartridges that last them 2 days if they are lucky. The last thing BT companies that are buying electronic cigarette companies want's, is for you to keep doing what you are doing right now, and I have no doubt they will lobby to do that.

 

[Herdo]

Nor can they ban nicotine extract, they can regulate it, but they can't ban it, there are too many other uses for it besides e-cigs. They can't ban the batteries that the apv's and mods take, again they have too many other uses.

I really have no reason to believe nicotine extract couldn't or wouldn't be banned.

 

[vsummer1]

I don't consider Lorillard "big tobacco". Their main product is a very niche product, Newports, that caters to a very specific group. In all honesty I don't understand why a tobacco company would even want to get involved with electronic cigarettes. It's a hobby, not a consumer product (for now). If it wasn't for the thousands of flavors from hundreds of different vendors for me to try, I probably wouldn't even be interested. That's not good for big tobaccco!

That's what I am worried about. Purchasing nicotine in the form required to DIY could be made illegal. Then we wouldn't have the option to make our own juices. After that, "e-liquids" could be deemed a hazard because children might smell it thinking it's candy and drink it. Then we would be forced to use pre-filled carts. Then we are back to square one and before you know it, e-cigarette companies are using additives in their carts to create an extra layer of addiction, to keep you coming back to their brand.

The same companies that are buying up electronic cigarettes today, are going to be the same one's lobbying to make anything but pre-filled cartridges illegal. Blu doesn't make money off of people filling their own carts. Blu makes money off people paying $15+ (last I checked) for 5 cartridges that last them 2 days if they are lucky. The last thing BT companies that are buying electronic cigarette companies want's, is for you to keep doing what you are doing right now, and I have no doubt they will lobby to do that.

I paid $9.60 for the Blu cartridges shipped from Blu to my door. I walked into the Walgreens and saw $15 and laughed in their face. I told them it was good to know that if I was ever in a pinch they were there, and went on to tell them that you can just go online and pay a dollar less per cartridge shipped to your door. Thanked them and left.

That was last month before I found this site after watching a youtube video that showed me how to refill the Blu cartridges. And have never looked back.

They sell ecigs in gas stations. At Walgreens. They have juice in the local tobacco store. I hate to tell you, but it already IS mainstream.

If you are worried, just go buy the stuff you need to DIY and stock up. Learn to make a mod, rewick an atty and you are set. The worst thing that could happen is.. nothing. You would have enough juice at 5 cents a ml to last you a long time and the skills to Mcgyver your own hardware with common components.

 

[Herdo]

I paid $9.60 for the Blu cartridges shipped from Blu to my door. I walked into the Walgreens and saw $15 and laughed in their face. I told them it was good to know that if I was ever in a pinch they were there, and went on to tell them that you can just go online and pay a dollar less per cartridge shipped to your door. Thanked them and left.

That was last month before I found this site after watching a youtube video that showed me how to refill the Blu cartridges. And have never looked back.

They sell ecigs in gas stations. At Walgreens. They have juice in the local tobacco store. I hate to tell you, but it already IS mainstream.

If you are worried, just go buy the stuff you need to DIY and stock up. Learn to make a mod, rewick an atty and you are set. The worst thing that could happen is.. nothing. You would have enough juice at 5 cents a ml to last you a long time and the skills to Mcgyver your own hardware with common components.

Couldn't agree more. I was going to make a big $100+ juice order on Friday when I get paid, but over this last weekend I started looking into DIYing my own juice, and rebuilding atomizers. I am going to devote a good amount of that to wire, cotton wick, flavor extracts, nicotine extract, PG and VG.

I guess instead of saying "I don't want vaping to go mainstream", I should have said "I don't want vaping to turn into cigarettes". I don't ever want it to become a consumer product. In the state vaping is right now, it's still a hobby of sorts, and I'd hate to see everyone going to the gas station to pick up their carts and disposable batteries the same way they pick up their pack of cigarettes now. I'd be happy to see everyone doing some research and then buying something that works for them, not just jumping on the gas-station e-cig train.

By the way, you mentioned finding this site last month. I looked at your post count and said "holy hell!", then I looked at your join date and said "they aren't lying!". I then looked at my post count, and realized after a day I am already up to 30 posts. If I averaged 30 posts a day everyday for a month I'd have that many too, haha. I guess I didn't realize how much their is to talk about when it comes to vaping.

 

[AuBadge]

I think there's strength in numbers. It's harder to dismiss a group of people as a "fringe group" if there are millions of them.

 

[vsummer1]

By the way, you mentioned finding this site last month. I looked at your post count and said "holy hell!", then I looked at your join date and said "they aren't lying!". I then looked at my post count, and realized after a day I am already up to 30 posts. If I averaged 30 posts a day everyday for a month I'd have that many too, haha. I guess I didn't realize how much their is to talk about when it comes to vaping.

LOL, I try to say hi and welcome to all the newbies because, well, I still am one! I really don't want anyone to feel "not wanted" but it can up your post count I guess. Never really thought about how much I post after I had those first 5. But that is pretty embarrassing now that you point it out...

I had an accident last year that resulted in 3 surgeries on my knee last year, and the docs say, "it is healed enough now for a total knee replacement". So I don't really walk well and am in a lot of pain. I can't work, I am an RN and can barely take care of myself much less others! Better to just hang here and read, read, read so I can learn. Every time I think I have learned enough, I find a new section of this forum. There is so much here!

I am curious, have no income and am addicted to nicotine, so what better place to be to find out what I need to do to secure my nicotine in the future at the least cost over the long haul? I am trained with needles and chemistry, so DIY juice is a no brainer for me and that section alone will take weeks to master! Not to mention just learning the terms and different ways people have of getting that nic into their system.

I also enter every contest I can find. It can get expensive FAST trying to find the perfect set up and the right juice. Some of the contests are "chat" related so you can find yourself posting a LOT in them. And I have won some pretty nice stuff - THANK YOU VENDORS!

 

[kiwivap]

LOL, I try to say hi and welcome to all the newbies because, well, I still am one! I really don't want anyone to feel "not wanted" but it can up your post count I guess. Never really thought about how much I post after I had those first 5. But that is pretty embarrassing now that you point it out...

It's not embarrassing - it's a great indicator of your helpfulness and involvement.

 

[AttyPops]

I am just cynical enough to completely understand your concerns. I think the biggest foe is big pharma. E-cigs are a threat to their profits.

I agree with this more than the OP's position.

Why is everything some "big Federal conspiracy"? I'm not impressed by the FDA's CYA crap. But I'm not surprised about the CYA move either. I don't think they'll ban it... unless its the PACs (Big Pharma, BT) influencing congress... or some heath issues arise.

I'd rather see them ban cigs/cigars. Not practical, I admit.

I don't think they can ban vaping itself. But they can get their hands on the nic supply. No-nic vaping can't be stopped. People will DIY juice and e-cigs.

 

[eskra]

I would love for vaping to go mainstream, wouldnt havnt to explain what im doing all the time. =]

 

[lmorris]

My take on E-Cigs going "Mainstream" is that it will eventually happen , the reason ... Money.

Big Tobacco gets to sell another "product" , money in their pockets.

Big Pharma gets to be the one to test and approve and sell the Nic back to Big Tobacco
assuring that we lowly users do no harm to ourselves.

And most important of all is Big Gov , they get to TAX it and they sure do like all that free money.

 

[zoiDman]

I would love for everyone currently smoking analogs to covert over and improve their health, but at the same time my selfishness is getting the better of me. The more mainstream vaporizing becomes, the quicker it will get shut down by the feds.

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This is a Classic Altruism Paradox.

 

[Jixchel]

Shut down is not likely, regulated is more likely and with the regulation will come the tax. If you are worried become involved with CASAA, the more voices we have the better.

 

[thinkingaboutit]

I don't expect a ban. I expect regulation and taxes. Pre-filled cartos "for our protection" and we won't know what is added. It's been said before, a lot of this can't be banned. Juice is my worry. I am watching the sky and when it seems like a storm is coming I will purchase one large bottle of nic. I feel bad for the little guys who might not make it.

Virtually ANYONE who vapes can easily afford a recurring $5/month donation to the CASAA...they are the only voice we have that I know of. If everyone on this board alone did that there would be a half million a month supporting US. I know times are hard for a lot of people. MOST of us would have no issue with a small donation each month.

Edit: To point out I am NOT a hypocrite, I DO donate monthly to CASAA.

 

[steved5600]

Ain't going to happen. They will get my PV out of my cold dead hand. LOL I'm old time NRA.

The genie is out of the bottle. I can't see that happening. When you stack tobacco up against vapor how could they.
Support the lobbyist.