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edyle

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I should exhale through my nose all the time? Not just while I'm practicing? That sounds like a mean thing to do to my nose. It's an okay thing to do to my nose? I have delicate tissue there (I have allergies and get a lot of nosebleeds.)

Hmph. It's certainly gotta be a lot nicer for my nose than SMOKING, and possibly might even do it some good, since it's moist vapor. Huh. Thanks for that tip! Thanks also because you've apparently given me hope that I'll be able to get off cigs. Dioxyde up there scared me by telling me I'm still gonna have awful cigarette withdrawal (I need DISLIKE and I HATE THIS buttons!), something I hadn't known was gonna happen. Stupid Me had thought the crossover was gonna be painless and my body wouldn't notice because I was going from one source of nicotine to another, but now that I think about it, if that were the case, then gum and patches would be 100% effective. I thought that having some sorta analog with nicotine in it was gonna make this easy.

I didn't think this all the way through, obviously. :-/

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The first few weeks and months could be a bit of a ride depending on how much and how long you smoked.
Your tastebuds change; you might find yourself coughing a lot and not be sure if its because your vape is too strong, or it's just your lungs clearing out.

Oh - and vaping does tend to dehydrate; so if you don't pay attention to drinking water you get problems.
 

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Nah. Exhale any way you want. As I recall, however, he mucous membranes are very efficient in absorbing nicotine contained in vapor. Again, from what I recall, that is more efficient than the lungs. I remember reading that a lot of the nicotine in vapor is absorbed in the mouth and nasal passages.

Smoke from cigarettes consists of much, much smaller "molecules" which can get into all the crevices in our lungs, so the lungs absorb nicotine faster from smoke than from vapor. Vapor "droplets" are not nearly as small.
 

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Holy smokes, Susan! I just took the time to read that link. That was the most enlightening thing I've read about this entire subject! While read it, I held my e-cig and did exactly as it said; by the time I was done with it, I not only hadn't coughed once, but felt dizzy and sick because I'd apparently ingested more than enough nicotine. I've found my ingestion method! (I just need to quit doing it mindlessly!). (I was practicing while reading, and I'm excellent at stick-to-it-iveness.) (I'm former military.)

Thanks a million for an excellent article; it was well-written, informative, concise, and I learned a lot! It was great! I really wish I'd read it early this afternoon instead of at two in the morning, after turning my lungs to shag carpet. I appreciate it a lot.

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I should exhale through my nose all the time? Not just while I'm practicing? That sounds like a mean thing to do to my nose. It's an okay thing to do to my nose? I have delicate tissue there (I have allergies and get a lot of nosebleeds.)

Hmph. It's certainly gotta be a lot nicer for my nose than SMOKING, and possibly might even do it some good, since it's moist vapor. Huh. Thanks for that tip! Thanks also because you've apparently given me hope that I'll be able to get off cigs. Dioxyde up there scared me by telling me I'm still gonna have awful cigarette withdrawal (I need DISLIKE and I HATE THIS buttons!), something I hadn't known was gonna happen. Stupid Me had thought the crossover was gonna be painless and my body wouldn't notice because I was going from one source of nicotine to another, but now that I think about it, if that were the case, then gum and patches would be 100% effective. I thought that having some sorta analog with nicotine in it was gonna make this easy.

I didn't think this all the way through, obviously. :-/

Binky


A lot of people really don't notice much in the way of withdrawal, thanks to both the nicotine, and the "habit replacement" -- it's easier to stop doing something if you're replacing that something with something else. There are "trouble spots" to be wary of; 3 days, 3 wks, and 3 months -- could be more noticeable withdrawal symptoms, cravings, or emotional distress -- depression, etc -- but not everyone experiences that, or at least, not all of it -- at 3 days, I was so blissed out by the fact that I wasn't smoking and didn't care, I had no problems; at 3 wks and 3 mos I did have a little depression, but both times it passed in about a week.

There are a few of us who notice more issues in the way of withdrawal, because there are other substances in cigarettes than just nicotine -- not everyone has a problem abstaining from those, but some people, particularly those who've experienced many other "emotional" type dysfunctions, have more of a problem abstaining from those substances than they do with nicotine. Fortunately they can be gotten without having to smoke, as "WTA" (whole tobacco alkaloids). But WTA doesn't help everyone, so it's really best to see if you seem to need something more, before trying it; it's more expensive than regular nicotine or ejuice, and if you don't truly have a physical dependence on those other alkaloids, then they won't help you.

The nose exhales might be a bit drying to your nasal and sinus tissues, and the effect is worse with higher PG; VG has a slightly emollient effect, so it's a bit more soothing to those tender tissues, but BOTH PG and VG are chemically dehydrating, they're "hygroscopic", so it's very important to get plenty of liquids that aren't caffeinated or alcoholic -- because of VG's emollient effect, it's harder to notice that one is desperately in need of fluids. High levels of PG *can* be very irritating, but the level that one person finds irritating might be someone else's excellent throat hit; it's a very individual response, all the way from allergy/complete intolerance to "no such thing as too much PG!" I'm oriented very much toward the latter, but at 90% PG for a week, I suffered chemical burns all through my sinuses, and that is NOT pleasant! It's like the worst head cold you ever had, plus nosebleeds! So now I stay around 83%-84% PG.

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Oooh! You have some nice tricks, beckdg! I wish you'd been around when I was trying to learn sex. I think you coulda made it a whole lot easier! I'm gonna go try it this way. I'm sensing a whoooole lot less irritation. Thanks a big bunch! Smooches!

i'm gunna be good.
i'm gunna be good.
i'm gunna be good.
i'm gunna be good.
i'm gunna be good.

you're welcome. phew... made it.

Smooches. (snuck that in there) :D
 

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I should exhale through my nose all the time? Not just while I'm practicing? That sounds like a mean thing to do to my nose. It's an okay thing to do to my nose? I have delicate tissue there (I have allergies and get a lot of nosebleeds.)

Hmph. It's certainly gotta be a lot nicer for my nose than SMOKING, and possibly might even do it some good, since it's moist vapor. Huh. Thanks for that tip! Thanks also because you've apparently given me hope that I'll be able to get off cigs. Dioxyde up there scared me by telling me I'm still gonna have awful cigarette withdrawal (I need DISLIKE and I HATE THIS buttons!), something I hadn't known was gonna happen. Stupid Me had thought the crossover was gonna be painless and my body wouldn't notice because I was going from one source of nicotine to another, but now that I think about it, if that were the case, then gum and patches would be 100% effective. I thought that having some sorta analog with nicotine in it was gonna make this easy.

I didn't think this all the way through, obviously. :-/

Binky

i would avoid a nose exhale until you get your hydration down at the very least. vaping will dry out your sinuses something fierce and it doesn't sound like you want to focus that on your nose until you've adjusted. you'll likely also need to focus efforts on keeping your nasal passages hydrated.

i had awful cigarette withdrawal. though, it seems not everybody even has withdrawal. my dad was a 50 yr smoker and took to it immediately. i think he smoked a half a pack in his first week or two, but once he finished that pack, hasn't bought another one since. he thought he'd never quit. tried so many times and failed. was something of a hard nose about it, too.

my withdrawal was a mixture of using too little nic and frustration from fiddly gear. i'm kinda the poster child for high nic, high watt vaping on this site.

though, you have to understand, tobacco... especially after it's processed for mass production... contains other chemicals that aid in making the nicotine addictive. you may withdrawal slightly from the MAOIs, alkaloids and/or compounds (such as nic bound to ammonia) that were in your cigarettes and are no longer present. could be anything from being a little snappy and then progressively less over a couple day or week period to a full on physical withdrawal like i went through. but i'm an extreme case.
 

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I should exhale through my nose all the time? Not just while I'm practicing? That sounds like a mean thing to do to my nose. It's an okay thing to do to my nose? I have delicate tissue there (I have allergies and get a lot of nosebleeds.)

Hmph. It's certainly gotta be a lot nicer for my nose than SMOKING, and possibly might even do it some good, since it's moist vapor. Huh. Thanks for that tip! Thanks also because you've apparently given me hope that I'll be able to get off cigs. Dioxyde up there scared me by telling me I'm still gonna have awful cigarette withdrawal (I need DISLIKE and I HATE THIS buttons!), something I hadn't known was gonna happen. Stupid Me had thought the crossover was gonna be painless and my body wouldn't notice because I was going from one source of nicotine to another, but now that I think about it, if that were the case, then gum and patches would be 100% effective. I thought that having some sorta analog with nicotine in it was gonna make this easy.

I didn't think this all the way through, obviously. :-/

Binky

I had tried Chantix and I had tried the nicotine lozenges (health insurance wouldn't pay for the Chantix, but they sent me the lozenges for free, go figure) and neither of them helped me to quit. I couldn't stay off of cigarettes for more than a day. As soon as I began vaping, I was able to quit smoking cold turkey. My conclusion is that my addiction is not so much an addiction to nicotine, but really rather an addiction to the physical act of smoking....sucking on a cigarette, having the smoke swishing around in your mouth and then lungs, and then the exhale out. The biggest thing for me was when I was driving in my car, having a smoke. It became second nature and I would crave that, to the point where if I was in the car with someone else and did not smoke, the first thing I would need to do after parking the car is to light up. Or light up as soon as I leave the store and walk through the parking lot to the car. Now that I am vaping, I still don't vape in the car when others are in it, but after almost 3 months in, I am not craving it as bad (I don't always need to immediately start vaping as soon as I get out of the car).
 

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I had tried Chantix and I had tried the nicotine lozenges (health insurance wouldn't pay for the Chantix, but they sent me the lozenges for free, go figure) and neither of them helped me to quit. I couldn't stay off of cigarettes for more than a day. As soon as I began vaping, I was able to quit smoking cold turkey. My conclusion is that my addiction is not so much an addiction to nicotine, but really rather an addiction to the physical act of smoking....sucking on a cigarette, having the smoke swishing around in your mouth and then lungs, and then the exhale out. The biggest thing for me was when I was driving in my car, having a smoke. It became second nature and I would crave that, to the point where if I was in the car with someone else and did not smoke, the first thing I would need to do after parking the car is to light up. Or light up as soon as I leave the store and walk through the parking lot to the car. Now that I am vaping, I still don't vape in the car when others are in it, but after almost 3 months in, I am not craving it as bad (I don't always need to immediately start vaping as soon as I get out of the car).

funny thing, that is.

i've had the same experience. NRTs didn't do squat for me.

though, i was able to substitute smoking for dipping for a couple entire summers.

and vaping worked as well.

so there must be more to it, methinks.
 

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Uh oh! My battery's dead this morning, so I swapped my spare battery in, but I'm not getting any smoke. What kinda trouble-shooting do I need to do? Is my coill dead already? The battery light's coming on. No smoke at all. There's still juice in the tank. I need to go out in public today, so I was hoping to smell fresh and clean and expensive! Help, please, kind people?

Edit: wait: I took the collar off to make sure the battery was making good contact, and now I'm getting smoke. Hafta fiddle with this some more. I panicked over nothing, apparently!
 

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The throat hit continues to be one of the most important aspects, for me; when i switched from light to ultra-light cigarettes 20 yrs ago, I probably tried every last ultra-light brand at Walgreens... only Virginia Slims continued to deliver throat hit even in ultra-lights,

Amazes me how much I have learned about my former self from this forum! Just the other day my wife and I were discussing how we used to smoke and came to the conclusion she was a direct lung inhaler and I was mouth to lung. Odd we never noticed that in the 24 years we smoked as a couple. Now your observation about throat hit explains why she hated my lights as much as I hated her ultra lights. Even when we smoked the same brand.
 

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Uh oh! My battery's dead this morning, so I swapped my spare battery in, but I'm not getting any smoke. What kinda trouble-shooting do I need to do? Is my coill dead already? The battery light's coming on. No smoke at all. There's still juice in the tank. I need to go out in public today, so I was hoping to smell fresh and clean and expensive! Help, please, kind people?

Edit: wait: I took the collar off to make sure the battery was making good contact, and now I'm getting smoke. Hafta fiddle with this some more. I panicked over nothing, apparently!

This is a common issue.

Centerpin contact.
 

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Hafta fiddle with this some more. I panicked over nothing, apparently!

This happened to me about every-other-day for about the first 3 months. :D But you 'll get to the point that when it's not working as it should, you just mumble a curse word as you break it down to figure out WHY it's not working right -- and then after some fiddling around, it finally does. I think it's just part of the whole vaping pkg. :D

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The throat hit continues to be one of the most important aspects, for me; when i switched from light to ultra-light cigarettes 20 yrs ago, I probably tried every last ultra-light brand at Walgreens... only Virginia Slims continued to deliver throat hit even in ultra-lights, but one of the things I liked best about vaping when I started was that even 6mg had better throat hit than those ultra-lights! :D

The nose exhales will give you better flavor, and also more nicotine; until I got in the habit of the slow inhale and nose exhale, I just couldn't lay the smokes down -- but once I started doing the slow hit and nose exhales, I didn't feel the need for a smoke -- that was my first smoke-free day.

Andria
I don't have the patience for the slow hit. One reason I strictly low sub ohm.

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This happened to me about every-other-day for about the first 3 months. :D But you 'll get to the point that when it's not working as it should, you just mumble a curse word as you break it down to figure out WHY it's not working right -- and then after some fiddling around, it finally does. I think it's just part of the whole vaping pkg. :D
Learning how to drip on a 510 atomizer is a great backup for when you are trying to deal with such issues.
Any solid and working backup will do though, but dripping on a 510 is foolproof once you learn.
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Learning how to drip on a 510 atomizer is a great backup for when you are trying to deal with such issues.
Any solid and working backup will do though, but dripping on a 510 is foolproof once you learn.
:)

Someone PIFed me a couple of those when I first started; I never could get ANYTHING out of them but the taste of hot metal, or a gurgle. Which is probably one reason I resisted drippers for as long as did, with a horrible intro like that!

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Someone PIFed me a couple of those when I first started; I never could get ANYTHING out of them but the taste of hot metal, or a gurgle. Which is probably one reason I resisted drippers for as long as did, with a horrible intro like that!

Andria
But once you learn how to do it, it is foolproof.
And I believe the "learning curve" is smaller than many other problematic systems.
:)
 

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But once you learn how to do it, it is foolproof.
And I believe the "learning curve" is smaller than many other problematic systems.
:)

I dunno. After a few tastes of hot metal, I shoved them into a drawer and haven't looked at them since. Fortunately after my HUGE fail with a nautilus, I got a Kayfun -- that was the turning-point for me, when it turned from experiment into full-time lifestyle. I still have those half-dozen T3S's I started with, but even with my own coils in them, I can't now get them to hit worth a crap -- so they're in that drawer too, and I stick to my 3 kayfuns and Magma. Might get a Veritas pretty soon, too.

Andria
 

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Uh oh! My battery's dead this morning, so I swapped my spare battery in, but I'm not getting any smoke. What kinda trouble-shooting do I need to do? Is my coill dead already? The battery light's coming on. No smoke at all. There's still juice in the tank. I need to go out in public today, so I was hoping to smell fresh and clean and expensive! Help, please, kind people?

Edit: wait: I took the collar off to make sure the battery was making good contact, and now I'm getting smoke. Hafta fiddle with this some more. I panicked over nothing, apparently!
Also, sometimes the battery will do that if it's screwed on too tightly.
 
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