Am I doing something wrong? ( 18mg juice ) *** Update***

[PhatClouds]

2 weeks into vaping, started at 6mg per my local vape shop, could tell I really needed to up the nic level. After finishing my 32ML bottles quickly, I stepped up to a 12mg, again didnt feel as if I was getting what I needed out of the 12mg so I ordered a 18mg bottle of some mint.

Keep in mind if you didnt read my intro, I am a 20+ year dipper, always have a chew in my mouth unless I'm eating or sleeping. I have been able to cut down to a chew or two a day which is GREAT but I dont know if I'm expecting too much so soon?

The 18mg on my alien 220W kit either doesn't hit enough or hits way too hard, i've played with the settings, nothing I do produces a smooth satisfying hit. I start out at say 15 to 20W, I barely get any flavor or vapor, kick it up to 30-40W same thing, but I get just a little more vapor but same flavor as previous settings. Kick it up to 50-60W and damn, very harsh throat hit, and a little burn on the flavor that does not give a good experience.

I dont know if choosing Mint in 18MG was a great idea, or if another flavor would be some what tamer? anyone every experience this first hand? I dont mind the 12mg but if there is a way I can get up to 18mg, able to take a few hits and be satisfied for an hour or two that is what im trying to achieve.

 

[Hobbs]

You didn't mention the coil resistance or which tank you're using. Regardless, I don't have an Alien or Baby Beast (that comes with it?), but those facts may help others who chime in.

I'm thinking 30, 35-45 watts to be about right though. Often, different juices do like different wattage to some degree but the variance isn't great and seldom dependent on the nic level except higher nic will be a little harsher ... but not taste burnt, unless wattage is too high. Again, hopefully others will chime in, but the only thing that comes to mind is tank air-flow ... and condition of the coil. I vape non-flavored, so can't comment on flavor. I know, not much help, but pulling for you. It's tough sometimes starting out and especially for a dipper I would imagine.

 

[PJReid]

2 weeks into vaping, started at 6mg per my local vape shop, could tell I really needed to up the nic level. After finishing my 32ML bottles quickly, I stepped up to a 12mg, again didnt feel as if I was getting what I needed out of the 12mg so I ordered a 18mg bottle of some mint.

Keep in mind if you didnt read my intro, I am a 20+ year dipper, always have a chew in my mouth unless I'm eating or sleeping. I have been able to cut down to a chew or two a day which is GREAT but I dont know if I'm expecting too much so soon?

The 18mg on my Alien 220W kit either doesn't hit enough or hits way too hard, i've played with the settings, nothing I do produces a smooth satisfying hit. I start out at say 15 to 20W, I barely get any flavor or vapor, kick it up to 30-40W same thing, but I get just a little more vapor but same flavor as previous settings. Kick it up to 50-60W and damn, very harsh throat hit, and a little burn on the flavor that does not give a good experience.

I dont know if choosing Mint in 18MG was a great idea, or if another flavor would be some what tamer? anyone every experience this first hand? I dont mind the 12mg but if there is a way I can get up to 18mg, able to take a few hits and be satisfied for an hour or two that is what im trying to achieve.

Well, the Alien was probably not the best starter mod for a newbie. It is too complicated and too flakey for someone who isn't an experienced vapor. What atomizer (tank) are you using? If you got a Baby Beast with your Alien kit, there is no way you will be happy with that.

If you are using an atomizer with coils of a resistance below 1.0 ohms, you are doing sub ohm vaping and should be on less nicotine, not more. For newcomers, I recommend a super simple setup like an Evod which is a just fill up and vape device, no settings to tinker with and you can take the nicotine as high as you want. 18 would be too high for sub ohm vaping. Some do 12 but that would make me sick and dizzy.

I would put the Alien in a drawer and pick up a non-sub-ohm kit to use for a while. You can pick the Alien back up with you are ready. That said, if you want to use the Alien, you should get a tank that has coils that measure about 1.8 ohms. You could use those tanks on the Alien (even though I think you would be happier with a simpler device to get started with.) Aspire makes several that would give you that mouth to lung vape you are used to with the higher ohms that will allow you to use the nicotine levels you crave. This page has some great suggestions.

Non-Sub-Ohm Clearomizers and Tanks

Ask any questions you have. We are happy to try and help. Welcome and I wish you luck!

 

[PJReid]

Oh, I mean to also say that higher nicotine adds to the throat hit - that probably accounts for the harshness in your vape (which I already mentioned is too high at 18 mgs for a sub ohm tank which the Baby Beast is.) What is the PG/VG ratio in your e-liquid. PG also adds to throat his.

 

[Hobbs]

Great suggestions Pam. In his intro last week, it was pointed out that most would give a wide eyed "are you sure" when he asked for 18 on a sub-ohm LOL ... even the sick and dizzy part (nic overload). But yeah, non sub ohm would be best at that level regardless ... as long as it's good and strong volume and density vape production for a former dipper to get that buzz/fix.

 

[PJReid]

Great suggestions Pam. In his intro last week, it was pointed out that most would give a wide eyed "are you sure" when he asked for 18 on a sub-ohm LOL ... even the sick and dizzy part (nic overload). But yeah, non sub ohm would be best at that level regardless ... as long as it's good and strong volume and density vape production for a former dipper to get that buzz/fix.

I missed his intro or would have chimed in then. It was a busy weekend at my house. You know how that goes. I remember when I had been vaping about two years and got my first sub-ohm setup. I poured in my 12 mg juice and promptly got dizzy and nauseated. I came here, told my story, and got help quickly. Lower the nic to no more than 6mgs. That did the trick. I am at 3 mgs now.

 

[PhatClouds]

Knew I was forgetting something, yes it is the stock baby beast with the T8 coil. I havent messed with any of the stock settings other then trying out soft/norm/hard hits. By no means did I buy this rig to chase clouds, I was more after getting something I could grow into. I'm very comfortable with 12mg on the rig, but was more curious if going up to that next level nic was just overkill.

 

[PhatClouds]

I missed his intro or would have chimed in then. It was a busy weekend at my house. You know how that goes. I remember when I had been vaping about two years and got my first sub-ohm setup. I poured in my 12 mg juice and promptly got dizzy and nauseated. I came here, told my story, and got help quickly. Lower the nic to no more than 6mgs. That did the trick. I am at 3 mgs now.

No nausea or dizziness off the 12mg whatsoever, nor the 18mg when I tried a tank, just the horrid throat hits and not being able to lower the watts and get a satisfying hit.

the 18mg mint I got is a 50/50 blend

 

[Hobbs]

Don't know your vape technique, but ideal vape technique is often different than smoking anything analog. Try slower, relaxed, longer inhale. Even try something akin to cigar and pipe where a little vape is inhaled and released to increase lung capacity then resume the inhale. If you modify your inhale technique, lower nic may well be more satisfying. If the mint flavor isn't strong enough, try having some mint hard candy handy while you vape.

 

[Hobbs]

Oh, and if you found a burnt taste at higher wattage, you may need to change your coil. Once the coil is burnt, the burnt taste won't go away. But expect the 18mg to be harsh on sub-ohm. You may HAVE to go to lower nic and modify your inhale technique to take in more vapor with each pull if the 18 is just too harsh even if it doesn't "make you sick" ... or go to a higher (1.8ohm coil for example) as Pam suggested. You would have to buy a new set up though. Don't think a 1.8ohm coil is available for the Beast.

 

[PJReid]

No nausea or dizziness off the 12mg whatsoever, nor the 18mg when I tried a tank, just the horrid throat hits and not being able to lower the watts and get a satisfying hit.

the 18mg mint I got is a 50/50 blend

The 50/50 PG/VG juice and the higher nicotine will give you one heck of a harsh throat hit. If you like the Alien and want to grow into it, try one of the Aspire tanks and get a coil with a reistance of 1.5 to 1.8 ohms. I think that will solve your problem. If not, try getting a juice with less PG. Some people have an inhaled sensitivity to PG and it is harsh.

 

[PJReid]

Oh, and if you found a burnt taste at higher wattage, you may need to change your coil. Once the coil is burnt, the burnt taste won't go away. But expect the 18mg to be harsh on sub-ohm. You may HAVE to go to lower nic and modify your inhale technique to take in more vapor with each pull if the 18 is just too harsh even if it doesn't "make you sick" ... or go to a higher (1.8ohm coil for example) as Pam suggested. You would have to buy a new set up though. Don't think a 1.8ohm coil is available for the Beast.

Oh, you remembered my name. Thank you. @PhatClouds, The Nautilus tank system is a separate tank, it will work on the Alien Box Mod. The Nautilus line is what we term a mouth to lung tank (just like smoking) where the baby beast is designed for direct to lung. The Nautilus has helped thousands get off the smokes, has long dependability record, and it sips juice down instead of guzzling it down. It uses interchangeably the standard nautilus coil heads and can use the Aspire Triton Mini coils as well, any ohms 1.2 to 1.8 ohms should keep you happy and last about a week to 2 weeks per coil depending on juice, watts, and how often you puff on your device. The coils are replaceable, so when the coil goes bad, just have to replace the head and not the whole tank itself.

You can buy any of the Nautilus tanks and buy the coils at 1.8 ohms and you should be good to go.

 

[Hobbs]

Sorry for the triple post. I too started out with a sub-ohm set up after smoking Marlboro reds for about 45 years. Everyone is different, but sub-ohm just wasn't for me. Wasn't what I was looking for and I've never "grown" into it. I'm in it for the nic. If it wasn't for the nicotine need, I probably wouldn't vape. I never smoked fruit, desserts or beverages and don't vape flavored either.

Initially, the best set up I started with after putting sub-ohm away was an Aspire Nautilus tank with 1.8ohm coils @ about 9.6W. I used the same sub-ohm mod, just a different tank and in wattage mode. But the volume and density of the vape wasn't exactly what I was looking for.

I wanted a little more volume and density. Found it with a Kabuki tank ... same 1.8ohm Aspire Nautilus coils and I was even able to drop the watts to about 8.6W (sometimes up to 9.6W depending on mood).

However, after many months with the Kabuki (which I still greatly enjoy), I gave a Billet Box mod a try (with a Nautilus/comfort bridge). The airflow is wide open to the coil. The vape volume and density is the best I've found on a 1.8ohm Nautilus coil and the wattage sweet spot for me is only 8.4W. The vape is cool and 18mg isn't harsh at all. Mostly I vape 12mg. The Billet Box is expensive though and not a recommendation as a starter by any means. But it gives me the best vape experience for the style and coils I prefer. Even the SXK Billet Box clone, while vapes just as good as an original Billet Box but about $150 less, isn't an ideal or recommended starter.

My point is, we all go through sorting this vape thing out to our own personal preference. Don't loose patience. There is something out there for you that's better health wise than dipping or smoking.

 

[Opinionated]

@Tonee N ??

Chime in here?

 

[Opinionated]

No nausea or dizziness off the 12mg whatsoever, nor the 18mg when I tried a tank, just the horrid throat hits and not being able to lower the watts and get a satisfying hit.

the 18mg mint I got is a 50/50 blend

In general, there is something wrong with the way your going about your tank.. I don't own a bbb so I can't say much about your tank itself but it could be in the how your trying to inhale a direct lung tank too, I really don't know but something is off..

What I can say definitively is that my son smoked three packs a day of Marlboro reds (yes, it's not a typo) and he vapes higher wattages (60 watts on average) and from day one of switching to vaping he cannot handle more than 6 mg of nicotine in his juice without getting nic sick.

And, it's the same across the board for all those who vape using higher wattage.

It's only the lower wattage mouth to lung vapers who can handle the higher nicotine strengths.. so, maybe your trying to use a dl tank for mtl? If so, you really might have better luck with a mtl lower wattage tank...

As far as throat hit, you need a max vg juice in that tank. 50/50 mix will tear up your throat.

Others can chime in about your problems with the BBB.

 

[PJReid]

This should be a good one to consider.

 

[PJReid]

In general, there is something wrong with the way your going about your tank.. I don't own a bbb so I can't say much about your tank itself but it could be in the how your trying to inhale a direct lung tank too, I really don't know but something is off..

What I can say definitively is that my son smoked three packs a day of Marlboro reds (yes, it's not a typo) and he vapes higher wattages (60 watts on average) and from day one of switching to vaping he cannot handle more than 6 mg of nicotine in his juice without getting nic sick.

And, it's the same across the board for all those who vape using higher wattage.

It's only the lower wattage mouth to lung vapers who can handle the higher nicotine strengths.. so, maybe your trying to use a dl tank for mtl? If so, you really might have better luck with a mtl lower wattage tank...

Others can chime in about your problems with the BBB.

The Baby Beast is a DL sub-ohm tank. The installed coil is .3 ohm - way too low for his needs. There is no non-sub-ohm coil to fit the BB. If he wants to keep the Alien to use now, he needs to switch up the tank.

 

[Opinionated]

The Baby Beast is a DL sub-ohm tank. The installed coil is .3 ohm - way too low for his needs. There is no non-sub-ohm coil to fit the BB. If he wants to keep the Alien to use now, he needs to switch up the tank.

I understand that dear.. it's why I said:

". so, maybe your trying to use a dl tank for mtl? If so, you really might have better luck with a mtl lower wattage tank..."

 

[PJReid]

I understand that dear.. it's why I said:

". so, maybe your trying to use a dl tank for mtl? If so, you really might have better luck with a mtl lower wattage tank..."

I need to go to bed. I thought I had already suggested that to him much earlier. Obviously, the yawning is affecting my comprehension. Good night, dear.

 

[Opinionated]

I need to go to bed. I thought I had already suggested that to him much earlier. Obviously, the yawning is affecting my comprehension. Good night, dear.

Goodnight.

As for why I reiterated that in my own thoughts and words, is that sometimes it's helpful for people to hear explanations from more than one person.

If you notice there are lots of threads on the forum where the replies all say essentially the same thing - it helps to have more than one person posting.