Am I losing it

[Pipeous]

I bought up a bunch of stuff to DIY

28mg nic pg, zero nic vg and flavours

I mostly got Perfumer's Apprentice stuff; caramel candy, black cherry, blueberry, brandy, double chocolate, ry4 and dk tab. and I got some Lorann's licorice.

None of the perfumers stuff tasted anything like the name implies, and the brandy was so god awful I felt like I had perfume sprayed in my mouth (I actually smoked my first analog tonight after that taste to kill the flavour, coffee nor peach/grape juice could wash it away.... I have found most of the pa stuff to be perfumy, is this common? I've tried starting with low and adding more and it just seems to be a stronger perfume. the black cherry was the closest thing to a flavor I could handle... the licorice is ok but not an all day vape for me...

basically it has all tasted just like it smells, and the dk tab smells so perfumy I won;t even bother trying it. I was mixing pg and vg at first but now just using the zero nic vg so I can just pour it out if I don't like it, like that brandy... that was the one I was most looking forward to as well.

this is rather depressing. and I have even tried plain pg and vg to be sure it wasn't that stuff. I have been usng both atties, and I've opened half my tanks with glass vials all around me... I mean I even went inside to eat a piece of pie to change my tastebuds and I can smell the garage is all perfumy still from this stuff

 

[aprioristic]

I have been usng both atties, and I've opened half my tanks with glass vials all around me...

What are you talking about tanks? If you are only using 2 atties, it is possible a flavor you don't like is in there then it is going to ruin the experience. People say that smelling too many different flavors, or strong ones, can somehow overload your sense of smell, and this seems to be true to me so far in my experience. Sometimes I will be going through flavors smelling them and I will get to another one, then it is either like it has no smell at all or it will smell like the last thing I tested.

But yeah, you are definitely doing something wrong. Did you buy these directly from PA? I got most of my samples from other places because it was a better deal. I've never had this problem with PA flavors, but I did get some Dekang RY4 once that was heavily chemical/perfumey. I let it sit with the cap off for a few days and it slowly got vapable.

You didn't specify so it could be that you are starting with too high of a percent anyway. Even if it is just one flavor, you are then using the same atty, so it is going to ruin everything else. Some PA flavors are plenty strong. I've not tried most of those flavors you have yet, but maybe some others will have suggested %'s.

 

[justboringsarah]

Something isn't right. PA Double Chocolate is delish and spot on flavor wise. What percentages are you using for your mix

 

[Hoosier]

Maybe, maybe not. Since everyone is different, you are probably right. Flavors are aromatic, which is a great thing since we are tasting with our noses with vape.

I've had great luck with the caramel candy, blueberry, black cherry, and double chocolate. Mostly in combination with other flavors. (The black cherry and the cola make one of my favorites.)

The caramel candy is one that has worked pretty well by itself at about 14% total flavoring. I usually have about 10% of the total flavor as cotton candy, but it isn't required.

I like really strong flavoring and it seems as if you are a bit more sensitive, so adjust down as needed.

I am kinda' shocked blueberry is included in the mix that is overpowering you as I find it pretty weak, but good and hardly any odor, let alone strong.

I'm completely lost as to why all the tanks are open or why closed vials would have such a lasting odor effect.

Since Loranns is working for you, you may want to investigate more of those. Not every flavoring type is for everyone. I also might suggest Capellas as another choice that may be more appealing to you. They make the best Coconut in my opinion.

 

[lelly]

I am with you on this one, I didn't like the coffee, RY4, cappuccino, bubble gum, milk chocolate, cookie, caramel and waffle flavor from PA. I have never tried any of these flavors in other brands, it could just be that I don't like these flavors to vape in the first place, but something about them just wasn't right to me. I like strong flavor, so it isn't that they were too overpowering, the milk chocolate tasted a bit chemically, the RY4 was way too floral, and the others just didn't taste like they were supposed to. I think I may try some of them in Capella's, FlavorArt or Loranns. Can anyone reccommend which brand would be better for strength and actual flavor?

 

[aprioristic]

I'm completely lost as to why all the tanks are open or why closed vials would have such a lasting odor effect.

I'm completely lost on what these "tanks" you guys are talking about even are.

lelly, some of those I haven't tried but the ones I have I know are harder to use. Waffle works great, but it is a "one note" type of flavoring. You need to work other things in with it. I only have FA cookie (quite strong) but same deal there, as well as PA coffee. I was talking to someone last week about how DIY isn't as simple as toss a flavoring in with PG/VG and nic. These flavors are like colors of paint, not a boxed cake mix.

I got a spray paint taste from bittersweet chocolate and peanut butter. This means you need to add more in my experience, IDK about her other chocolates yet. I think I might be getting an RY4 sample with my nicvape order, but it sounded like some people didn't like the rose notes from the flue-cured tobacco in RY4 maybe.

 

[silkakc]

I am trying Flavour Art flavorings soon. I have tried two and one was perfumey- White Grape- and the other was phenomenal- Irish Cream. I've tried PA's and Vapor Renu's flavorings and found some perfumey ones there too so it seems to be common problem to many different companies.

You can get samples of FA's flavors at PureVapes for $1.50 I think. And full size bottles at OneStopDIY and EcigExpress.
Watch the PIF Co-Op thread too because I just got in on a FA co op and picked up a bunch at a wonderful price!

PIF Co-ops


Lori

 

[aprioristic]

I've read good things about Irish cream... I want some lol. I just bought a bunch of FA on classifieds but it was a bunch of unloved flavors. I'm going to order stuff I truly want from ecigexpress when they restock soon and I might have nearly all FA flavors they make lol... Good tip though Lori, I missed that. Too many fora to keep tabs on here.

 

[tizz]

one of the reasons why i thought twice about DIY. i just know the stuff i mix will come out tasting like obsession.

 

[Pipeous]

When I mentioned tanks it's because I got the ego t setup, sorry.
I decided to give the blueberry another try this morning since I had a tank filled and it's much better after sitting for 8 hrs. I have been swapping back and forth between that on one setup with vg no nic, and my first mix with ry4 and licorice on the other setup with pg/vg and nic.

I am airbrushing an electric bike for a customer. I use water based paints so no smell. It's been a rather stress free day and have enjoyed vaping today. I am really thinking that brandy crap ruined my tastebuds being part of the problem. the smell has gone. and I went inside and blew the blueberry vape and the girls said it smelled fruity. so it was different for the 2 non smokers and I am allowed to vape inside.... good thing as it's getting cold out here at night hehe

I'm still learning but man I would not wish that taste on anyone. I mixed up some blueberry with 15% flavour this time and am leaving it until tomorrow, and did 10% with the double chocolate since it was a strong flavour. I'll try them out tomorrow. at worst I can mix some chocolate in the ry4 as that seemed to be a nice flavour, but I just dripped flavour into the tank and vaped and it was chocolate overload (I can't believe there could be too much chocolate anything)

 

[deback]

Here are some tips:

1. Allow your mixtures to steep for a few days. At least a week would be good and two weeks is better (a month is best). The flavor on the day or two after you mix the liquids will not taste the same as it will in a few days. It takes a while for all the liquids to mix together.

2. Don't test more than one sample at a time. Your taste buds will get screwed up if you do that, and they'll stay screwed up for a couple of hours or more (or several hours, if you test several flavors at the same time). Try testing one mixture (one flavor) each day, instead of several all at the same time.

3. Start with about 10% flavoring when using PA. After it steeps for a week or two, the flavor will become much stronger, so you don't want to start out with too much flavoring during the testing process. After a week, if the flavor is weak, add a little more, like 2% more at a time (and then let it steep for a few days).

4. Mix up 5mL or less samples of each flavor. Don't mix more than one flavor in the same bottle until after you've tested each flavor (and followed steps 1 through 3).

 

[pico]

I am having a similar experience. So far I've found a little too much flavor is WAY worse than not quite enough. Overloading a flavor even by a tiny amount seems to do horrible things to the vaping experience.

Also, some flavors you need a lot (15-20%) and some you need very, very little. TPAs caramel cappuccino is too strong for me at 5% and more than that I can't get the taste out of my mouth, nose, sinuses, etc for a day. A molecule of their boysenberry will contaminate everything on your shelf into having its flavor, its like the tribble of flavors!

So far, I'm most happy with TPAs waffle flavor, but after a dozen trials, still trying to get it to work with anything else that isn't either covered up or over powering the waffle flavor. Sampling flavors is something that requires patience, one or two flavor tests a day is about all I can do without "skewing" my taste buds.

Also, steeping them for 48 hours has become the norm. Waffle seems to peak after 3 days steeping before trying.

 

[Pipeous]

will do. I am actually enjoying this licorice ry4 mix anyway right now. and have some to work with. I was mixing 3ml at a time. I will slow down for sure. I just wanted to find something I could live with. I mostly vape this mix with nicotine, but occasionaly grab the no nic vg blueberry. it's very mild blueberry but the vapor it makes is crazy. this other mix hits like a licorice flavoured captain black now.

ok so I mixed the blueberry at 15% this time, 10 is pretty mild even the day after, I went 10% on the double chocolate. I should leave those for minimum 3 days then? Maybe I should mix a few up then so I can try a new one a day after what 2 or 3 days?

 

[deback]

Here's my experiences with PA flavors:

I didn't like any of them, so I sold the larger bottles I had bought.

A friend of mine liked the mixture I made up, which was about 20% flavor consisting of about five flavors. She's still vaping that mixture, but after about two weeks, she told me it was too strong. So I doubled the recipe to decrease the flavor down to 10%, and she said it was much better. So it took two weeks for the flavor to become too strong for her.

My point is that 2 or 3 days is not enough time to know what the flavor is really gonna taste like. Steeping works best when the bottle is left alone (shake it now and then) for at least a week, better after two weeks, and the best after a month. Seriously... (based on my own experience and spending the last five months reading tons of threads here at ECF, which helped immensely to learn about the experiences of others, especially experiences of those who have had more than a month or two of experience doing this stuff).

 

[Pipeous]

so this makes a good case for having a months worth of pre mix then that you can handle. so sample packs... I wish more vendors offered sample packs since that stuff has bascially allready steeped, or should have unless they made it up recently. just trying to get my head around this stuff is all. and patience when mixing. maybe I should just leave my sampling until my passthrough and drip tip arrive. then they'd steep. that will be about 2 weeks time. I got 5 x 3ml bottles so I am going to make a black cherry at 10% now as well then I have them all filled. I need the licorice mix to mix in the ry4 though, so I'll have 3 new flavours then. man I need more bottles it seems cuz 3ml only lasts me like 3 days

 

[Switched]

so this makes a good case for having a months worth of pre mix then that you can handle. so sample packs... I wish more vendors offered sample packs since that stuff has bascially allready steeped, or should have unless they made it up recently.

Many vendors mix as they go, or at least claim to mix as orders come in. Others do mix in bulk, so yes the order has had time to steep. This is where folks notice inconsistencies between orders. The recipe hasn't changed but the liquid has had the time to mature or not.

I make everything well ahead of time. Most of my liquids steep for 30 days+. Because I mix all my own, consistency is there. If you take a liquid that you have been vaping for a month. There is a distinguishable change in flavour at the end of the month when compared to the start of the month. Should you then try a liquid that only sat for lets say a week, it will be different from the one you just finished vaping, although it was mixed the same.

Patience and consistency is key

 

[lelly]

Oh patience, soooo not my strong point. 2 weeks for my samples to steep, find the ones I like, mix up big quantities, wait another 2 weeks for them to steep... I need juice now!!!

I have sampled all of the ones I mixed up yesterday, my first vape of the double chocolate was reminiscant of when I "bake" a chocolate cake (the packets of dry ingredients, add water, bake, spread a tub of betty crocker icing on top, lol). I was very impressed, much better than the milk chocolate I tried. It is definately strong though and after steeping I will probably have to add more PG. I did not like either of the coffees, but I will let them sit for a week before adding some cream and sweetener. After the coffee, everything went downhill, lol. I should have tried the fruit ones first because even with a new atty and cart, brushing my teeth and drinking a bottle of water, everything tasted like coffee. I know, I should only sample a couple different ones a day, but how could I resist?

I now have about 30 juices steeping, I will try to keep my hands off them for a few weeks. Now what do I vape in the meantime, lol. I may revisit the ones I mixed up a couple weeks ago and didn't care for. I mixed them up all pretty strong, so if I water them down a bit with PG, does the same steeping rules apply? I guess I just don't really understand what steeping does, change the taste, make it stronger/weaker, make it more consistent, different undertones, less perfumey, more TH, or all of the above? lol

 

[Pipeous]

Loaded all my main vape stuff into a syringe and got another bottle back. washed that out and made up 3ml of caramel candy. and a black cherry. so 4 x 3ml bottles steeping, 4 tanks filled with my mix to vape, 3 ml in syring to refill those and about 1.5 ml in another 3ml bottle to use. going to hit the dollar store today after I get the lightning airbrushed on this scooter (electric scooter), and painting a fibreglass vw body as well for myself. might as well since I'll be using the same colors. then I can put my mixed stuff in a bigger container.

and seems I am going through more than I initially realized with all the swapping. today is my 3rd day vaping, and first day analog free. I had 3 analogs yesterday and killed the pack. and I am not tripping like usual. all this mixing I feel like a chemist haha

 

[Pipeous]

Had to make me one of those cool signature things

 

[ByStander1]

Here's my experiences with PA flavors:

I didn't like any of them,

Really?!! Ok, now I'm nervous. I was just about to order (very nearly) one of every flavor!

Help please: I don't have much flavor/vaping experience. I really like Johnson Creek's "Tennessee Cured" and was surprised to find that I liked their "Island" also.

If you (or anyone) has experience with PA's flavorings and the few I've tried, could you give me some guidance as to whether I'll care for the PA flavorings in general?

Thanks so much!