Am I missing somthing???

[Rimau]

A single Twist for $25 is a decent intro to VV for someone who already has a main PV. That's something the Twisters always seem to forget when they recommend this flavor-of-the-day to newbies.

You are missing the point all together, it seems you are too ready to shoot down what anyone else may recommend if it doesn't fit with your idea of "perfect". Let's see, the OP's first line was "I just got my Riva 510-t in the mail yesterday." Therefore real logic says that since he just received it, then he has a system, which is right now his main PV. People can recommend things, but we don't have to buy any of it. You act like the OP has nothing and we are recommending they buy a whole load of crap. I think that John D and I are simply recommending a supplemental batt to what he already has. No one is saying to exclusively use the twist. In my post I said that I never said that "your only batt should be a twist". My recommendation was based on the FACT that the OP already has a Riva 510-T and am making suggestions. I never said that the twist was the only batt I used, I said that I thought it was a good addition to anyone's equipment, and as an intro VV it seems much more reasonable that paying $100+ for a VV that might not solve anything for the OP. If you gave me a 6v batt, I have no idea what I would use it with considering my equipment and my particular style. I do see guys here telling newbies to get fairly expensive VV batts, and if they have no real base level of experience, then it will be hard for them to make intelligent decisions about what they really need to feel happy with the whole vaping experience.

If you are attacking me because I am not agreeing with your surreptitious generalization about tank owners, then lets have it, but I have been vaping for almost 3 years and bought some of the first ego-t setups. I still use my tank, and it has always been my goto, and I know of many other members that do as well, although many of us have switched over to the ego-c because, quite frankly, it is an improved version. Not that we have given up on tanks, on the contrary, we are sticking to the tank and are just taking advantage of the new improvements. Along with batt improvements like the twist.

Just because you couldn't handle a tank system does not mean that many of us can't. In my opinion, tank systems are far superior to anything else for ease of use, convenience, options, and price. The only thing I probably haven't tried is a box mod, but I have no interest in them either, that is not to say I don't respect others that prefer the box mod. It is all about finding what works for you personally, again, PERSONALLY, John D and I have been trying to help with recommendations, but they are only that, recommendations and no one has to buy anything.

I guess I forgot to tell the OP: remember you need two of everything so you have a backup. I have about 15 batts (not all the same) along with many types and styles of charges, oh BTW, I DIY too. I think we would have made different recommendations if the OP had simply stated that he had nothing and was looking to start from scratch. Then I would not have recommended the twist until he had a primary system, oh wait, he did say that he had already had equipment, sorry my mistake.

BTW: I rarely buy the "flavor of the day" (except for the vision/stardust) without thoughtful consideration, and I don't recommend the "flavor of the day" either. I always consider my recommendations after personal experience and a long personal trial period. That is why I recommend the basic stuff to newbies, although I will recommend different things to vets because they are vets and it is part of the forum to share information, good or bad.

When my twist bites the dust, then I will look at what is out there and buy probably the latest batt that seems to be a good one, that way I evolve with the technology and not just use the same old stuff. For that matter, there is always something else (thank god), but I didn't get the go-go either. Drive a model A do we?

 

[ktbug]

I appreciate all of the suggestions and with there being so many to choose from it can be difficult. I am not going to speak for sailorman but I will say he was a huge help to me. I think in the previous posts I was needing help figuring out what I was doing wrong with what I had. I do appreciate John D's advice but at the same time I had a moment of "oh crap" I bought a piece s**t and I should have bought something else. I am still using the Riva 510 but with the suggestion from sailorman I have purchased cartomizers and clearomizers which have made a huge difference. At some point I am going to upgrade and try something new. What I want is something easy. Many people that come on here may be just like me. They start out with the cig style set up with no battery life and decided they want something new. I have found going from a cig style to a more advanced setup can be very confusing with all the different options. I personally hate the tanks but at some point I might try them out again.

I have learned that everyone has thier favorites, but that being said just because one person loves it another might hate it. It is hard to fully understand what someone is needing or wanting with out an actual conversation. Sailorman hit the nail on the head with my issues and I can't thank him enough! Like I said I can't speak for him, but we were on the same page as far as what I was needing help with and then John D took it to a level where I became more confused. His post would have been perfect if I was simply asking "What should I buy"

 

[John D in CT]

.... I do appreciate John D's advice but at the same time I had a moment of "oh crap" I bought a piece s**t and I should have bought something else. I am still using the Riva 510 but with the suggestion from sailorman I have purchased cartomizers and clearomizers which have made a huge difference. At some point I am going to upgrade and try something new. What I want is something easy. Many people that come on here may be just like me. They start out with the cig style set up with no battery life and decided they want something new. I have found going from a cig style to a more advanced setup can be very confusing with all the different options. personally hate the tanks but at some point I might try them out again.

I have learned that everyone has thier favorites, but that being said just because one person loves it another might hate it. It is hard to fully understand what someone is needing or wanting with out an actual conversation. Sailorman hit the nail on the head with my issues and I can't thank him enough! Like I said I can't speak for him, but we were on the same page as far as what I was needing help with and then John D took it to a level where I became more confused. His post would have been perfect if I was simply asking "What should I buy"

Sorry about your "oh crap" moment, but as I said in my earlier post:

I am not saying that "you made a bad choice" with your current setup. Not at all. There are many form factors, for many different occasions and uses, for many different mindsets, many of which change over time. Some people want something that looks and feels as much like a cigarette as possible, and once you get the bugs worked out of your Riva, you will have that. That said, I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of people who stick with vaping will add additional hardware to their "arsenal", while always having warm spot in their hearts for, and often still using, what they started on. For me, that just happens to be an eGo-class battery/PV, the Joyetech (constant 3.4 volt) battery. I will probably also get a [ciggie-sized] 510-style setup - or many of them, for those people I start out who absolutely must have a cigarette look-alike, as well as for myself - just to have, and become familiar with, and maybe even to use more than I think I might right now. They will likely be the Volt which seems to be the most universally-recommended PV in that form factor.

This is exactly what I would get, and what I think you should get, if and when you can "swing" it".

Revised list:

One to three Twists, depending on whether or not it will be your only PV.
One or two chargers - same rationale.
One to (x) Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tanks
Five to (x) Boge 2.0 ohm single coil stainless steel XL cartomizers
Drip tip
Trim ring for looks and to keep tank from sliding down
Juice
Carto punch or Dremel tool with cut-off wheels, Dremel PN 409

You're done.

There are too many YouTube videos to count on how to fill a DCT tank and carto. This is not rocket surgery. I know it sounds complicated, like anything tends to when you do it for the first time. Ever had to assemble more than one of the same thing? You read the directions, and your brain starts to cramp up. "Insert Tab A into Slot B while being sure to align Pin C with Index Mark D", and you go on "Overload". Then once you get through the first one, the second one just flies together, because you now know how to do it. Same thing. This is so simple it will surprise you.

Slotting the cartos is the only part that takes any real skill, and even that is relatively easy. Using a carto punch is easier still.

Lastly, Sailorman's recommendation of the Apollo SS VTube is also a slam dunk IMO. Advanced, reliable VV at a very good price.

You did not waste any money on your Riva. You will very likely be using it for a long, long time to come. Hardly anyone vapes on one device all of the time. As I said, different times and places call for different devices. You'll likely have a collection of some size in the near future. IMO, adding the items that Sailorman and I have each recommended would be money well spent.

As you just said - "At some point I am going to upgrade and try something new" - just like so many people do, and virtually everyone does who sticks with vaping. My post was made with that in mind.

And anyone can PM me at any time and ask me for my phone number, which I will provide so you can call me and walk you through anything you need help with step by step under one condition; that you do the same for others.

 

[tj99959]

To begine with the Twist isn't necessary for a great vape, we got along quite well before they came along. It is just another battery option, nothing less - nothing more.
I won't say anything bad about "T" tanks, they were sucessful at getting me off cigarettes. However I soon learned that there are easier, softer ways. The new kid on the block seems to be the Vision eGo clearomizer (Stardust), and I will say that they seem to work quite well. You can also use dripping atties, cartomizers, or about most any other system you wish on your kgo battery. There is no end to the options.
The reality is that there is no such thing as a different battery or mod that will change the way a T atomizer and tank vapes, but there are a bazillion devices that you can screw onto your Kgo battery to change the way it vapes.

Right now I am vaping a ViVi Nova on a 100$ SS Vtube. The irony is that The Vtube is set at 3.4v. So I would be just as well of with it on a 15$ eGo battery, the vape would be the same.

 

[John D in CT]

To begin with the Twist isn't necessary for a great vape, we got along quite well before they came along. It is just another battery option, nothing less - nothing more.

Good lord. I did not say, or remotely imply, that owning a Joyetech eGo-C Twist was a pre-requisite for a great vape. My previous posts, read carefully, will bear out that out.

I have no idea why you even made that statement. Let's keep this out of the forum; could you please PM me and tell me what's really bothering you? Thanks.

 

[tj99959]

Good lord. I did not say, or remotely imply, that owning a Joyetech eGo-C Twist was a pre-requisite for a great vape. My previous posts, read carefully, will bear out that out.

I have no idea why you even made that statement. Let's keep this out of the forum; could you please PM me and tell me what's really bothering you? Thanks.

Quite simple really, there isn't anything wrong with the battery that he already has.

 

[ktbug]

Quite simple really, there isn't anything wrong with the battery that he already has.

p.s. I'm a girl

 

[John D in CT]

Quite simple really, there isn't anything wrong with the battery that he already has.

I suppose that raises what is almost a philosophical question; is it "wrong" that it is not a constant-voltage device? No, I can't say that's it's categorically "wrong". What I will say is that variable voltage will give a better vape under a wider variety of conditions (flavor of juice, VG/PG ratio, deviations in atomizer/cartomizer resistance from the "nominal resistance" - than will any constant-voltage device, making it an arguably superior choice.

Lastly, I think you got ripped off on your VTube.

http://www.apolloecigs.com/VTube-kit-p/atube.htm

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

ktbug thank you for that brief humorous interlude

p.s. I'm a girl

 

[sailorman]

You are missing the point all together, it seems you are too ready to shoot down what anyone else may recommend if it doesn't fit with your idea of "perfect". Let's see, the OP's first line was "I just got my Riva 510-t in the mail yesterday." Therefore real logic says that since he just received it, then he has a system, which is right now his main PV. People can recommend things, but we don't have to buy any of it. You act like the OP has nothing and we are recommending they buy a whole load of crap.

Of course I knew the OP had something already. I recommended she not buy any new battery. I made that statement in reference to all the times people say what a great deal the Twist is, without regard to whether or not the OP had another PV. Of course, by taking that statement out of context, it's hard to know that was the case. It might be a good tatic to impress a casual reader and win a debate point, but it's dishonest.

I think that John D and I are simply recommending a supplemental batt to what he already has. No one is saying to exclusively use the twist. In my post I said that I never said that "your only batt should be a twist". My recommendation was based on the FACT that the OP already has a Riva 510-T and am making suggestions. I never said that the twist was the only batt I used, I said that I thought it was a good addition to anyone's equipment, and as an intro VV it seems much more reasonable that paying $100+ for a VV that might not solve anything for the OP. If you gave me a 6v batt, I have no idea what I would use it with considering my equipment and my particular style. I do see guys here telling newbies to get fairly expensive VV batts, and if they have no real base level of experience, then it will be hard for them to make intelligent decisions about what they really need to feel happy with the whole vaping experience.

I'm perfectely aware of all of that. In fact, I never said anyone recommended the Twist to the OP as an exclusive battery. I've seen plenty of examples of that happening, but not by John or you. So, I don't know what all the defensiveness is about. The fact remains that, for the OP, the device wasn't the issue. If the device WAS the issue, if it WAS a piece of crap, there's little sense in replacing it with one Twist battery. Looking at it from that perspective, it could be argued that you were recommending the Twist as the exclusive device. BTW, a $100+ VV isn't the only option, so that's a strawman argument in the first place. 1300mah of Twists costs as much as far more capacity in an alternate VV device.

If you are attacking me because I am not agreeing with your surreptitious generalization about tank owners, then lets have it, but I have been vaping for almost 3 years and bought some of the first ego-t setups. I still use my tank, and it has always been my goto, and I know of many other members that do as well, although many of us have switched over to the ego-c because, quite frankly, it is an improved version. Not that we have given up on tanks, on the contrary, we are sticking to the tank and are just taking advantage of the new improvements. Along with batt improvements like the twist.

No one's "attacking" you. If you like the tank systems, good for you. I still say that you're in a minority and most people end up replacing it eventually. There are always exceptions. The fact that the OP seems to have solved her problem by ditching the tank system is vindication of my original comments about them. The fact that your experience is different is irrelevant to this thread.

Just because you couldn't handle a tank system does not mean that many of us can't. In my opinion, tank systems are far superior to anything else for ease of use, convenience, options, and price. The only thing I probably haven't tried is a box mod, but I have no interest in them either, that is not to say I don't respect others that prefer the box mod. It is all about finding what works for you personally, again, PERSONALLY, John D and I have been trying to help with recommendations, but they are only that, recommendations and no one has to buy anything.

You like the tank systems, fine. Some people like anchovies on their pizza too. But I have to wonder how, if they are so superior, this forum is so full of testimonials to the contrary, including that of the OP.

I guess I forgot to tell the OP: remember you need two of everything so you have a backup. I have about 15 batts (not all the same) along with many types and styles of charges, oh BTW, I DIY too. I think we would have made different recommendations if the OP had simply stated that he had nothing and was looking to start from scratch. Then I would not have recommended the twist until he had a primary system, oh wait, he did say that he had already had equipment, sorry my mistake.

The OP stated that they thought their PV was a piece of crap. Logically, it could be assumed that any recommendation for a new PV would be interpreted as a suggestion to replace it, not supplement it. So, in effect, the OP would have been starting from scratch. If you were advocating a single Twist then you'd be advocating that the OP use a piece of crap for most of the time. Since I'm sure no one would recommend that the OP continue to rely on a piece of crap as a main PV, two Twists would have been necessary.

BTW: I rarely buy the "flavor of the day" (except for the vision/stardust) without thoughtful consideration, and I don't recommend the "flavor of the day" either. I always consider my recommendations after personal experience and a long personal trial period. That is why I recommend the basic stuff to newbies, although I will recommend different things to vets because they are vets and it is part of the forum to share information, good or bad.

No need for all that. No one ever said otherwise. Not everything posted here is about you. My opinions as to whether a device is suitable for a particular situation are not formed with YOU in mind. My criticisms about a device are not directed at YOU, or YOUR situation.

When my twist bites the dust, then I will look at what is out there and buy probably the latest batt that seems to be a good one, that way I evolve with the technology and not just use the same old stuff. For that matter, there is always something else (thank god), but I didn't get the go-go either. Drive a model A do we?

No "we" don't. But we consider ALL the costs involved in a particular device, similarly priced alternatives and it's suitability to someone who may not yet be equipped, in terms of hardware or knowledge, the same as us. We consider the ramifications of equipment biting the dust to someone who may not have backups, or who has a sub-par backup. Once again, YOU, your equipment inventory and your experiences are not the focus of any of this. This thread was about the OP's problem, not your philosophy.

 

[John D in CT]

I've been waiting for that shoe to drop, and I'm happy to see that it was a very sensible dress shoe and not a big ol' army boot like it could have been in less capable and thoughtful hands.

We've all had a pretty good "say" here, and I would really hate to see things get disagreeable. How about we focus on something we all can agree on; that the goal is for all of us to have the best vape that we can get or want; that there are many ways to get there, and that "there" is highly subjective; and that the best way to help each other get there is to simply say what we like, and why, with a minimum of criticism of anyone else's suggestions.

Rodney King died last week; in his honor .... "Can we all just get along"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0

 

[Rimau]

To tell you the truth I was defending both my and John D's position, not just thinking about ME. Although I would actually prefer that you have ME in mind when answering one of MY questions, otherwise things get too vague. I did see how the OP said that her 510 was crap, I don't think that is the case, it is rarely a battery problem (unless it is not working), it is more of a cart/tank/whatever (and possibly juice) that is the main culprit most, not all, of the time.

I think that often we see so much of the same questions that we forget that others can't read our minds so we need to be clearer when making our ideas and recommendations.

Last note: we see so much about the tank precisely because they are used by so many people. I don't hear much about the mega-tron tank from Ocean, because very few people use them.

Sailor -- my apologies if I seemed a bit harsh on you (which is rare for me). How about we just go out for a vape?

 

[ktbug]

Did I say it was crap? I think I said "oh crap" or maybe "could it be crap". I know it tasted like "crap". Thanks to all of you!!! For a little update I am still using the riva 510 minus the "t". It is now working great and I am just enjoying trying all the new juices out there. Also just a little silly side note. My kids have this crazy song we listen to in the car and we try to see how much of it we can sing with out taking a breath. Prior to the switch I could not sing very long with out having to take a huge breath of air. Yesterday I sang the entire song with out taking one breath!!!!! It's the little things!!

 

[NancyR]

Did I say it was crap? I think I said "oh crap" or maybe "could it be crap". I know it tasted like "crap". Thanks to all of you!!! For a little update I am still using the riva 510 minus the "t". It is now working great and I am just enjoying trying all the new juices out there. Also just a little silly side note. My kids have this crazy song we listen to in the car and we try to see how much of it we can sing with out taking a breath. Prior to the switch I could not sing very long with out having to take a huge breath of air. Yesterday I sang the entire song with out taking one breath!!!!! It's the little things!!

That is awesome, glad you found what will work for you. I had problems with the T part of the system too, tho my bf who has the same ego-T set up I do loves his.

Just goes to show there is no one size fits all.