Nic OD or somthing else

[jedisilversun]

Kate you seem to be the authority on this so if i dilute the 18 mg 555 50/50 with the zero 555 this will give me a 9mg liquid right?

AND will its strength be the same as in not doubly strong?

Its late is the only explanation for my brain lol

 

[Kate]

You can extract the eliquid and refill with lower strength eliquid.

YouTube - Liquid uitpersen

That sounds right to me, 50% of 18 = 9

You should keep the flavour with that mix.

 

[mimi]

Have you taken into account Mimi's USB connection Frankie ...

Frankie - I was dripping the whole hour on direct usb........didn't count how many drops (foolish of me). Probably got a major hit......

 

[jedisilversun]

Brilliant, many thanks

 

[Frankie]

Have you taken into account Mimi's USB connection Frankie ...

Actually I wanted to replicate the experiment by taking out my e-cig.com usb, putting in a 24 mg strawberry (I normally use 8 mg) and vape for an hour... But it still tastes like burnt plastic... Well, maybe a burnt strawberry in a plastic bag on a styrofoam coaster...

 

[mimi]

Actually I wanted to replicate the experiment by taking out my e-cig.com usb, putting in a 24 mg strawberry (I normally use 8 mg) and vape for an hour... But it still tastes like burnt plastic... Well, maybe a burnt strawberry in a plastic bag on a styrofoam coaster...

^^^snort^^^^

ewwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!

 

[Frankie]

That sounds right to me, 50% of 18 = 9
You should keep the flavour with that mix.

The only one of my mixes that really kept flavour was based on 11 mg. For higher ones you need those LorAnn flavourings. Otherwise they only hint of their real flavour.

Okay, back to burning plastic now.

 

[Kate]

She's not diluting with glycerine or glycol, she's using the same flavour in zero.

 

[Frankie]

Aha. Sorry. Got distracted by an explosion of taste. Strawberry done, coffee now. Excuse me for not inhaling too much

Also some other comparison of vaping and smoking nicotine-wise: Electronic Smoking Cigarette Official Site - Density of Nicotine

 

[Myk]

I'm glad you worked out what the problem was Mimi, I suspect some people don't even consider nicotine.

Just for a quick, rough idea of what you vaped:

There are approximately 20 drops in 1ml
I vape 2 drops on an efficient atomiser in 5 minutes
That is 24 drops in an hour of constant vaping
24 drops is close to 1ml
1ml of 11mg eliquid equals 11mg of nicotine
That's around 11 average cigs or 22 low nic cigs in an hour.

I could've sworn I tried to explain that to you before.
You are comparing the nicotine in the liquid with the smoke that comes out of the filter directly into your lungs.

Your math would only work if you were injecting the liquid.

 

[K0rvet]

Not long ago, I asked my doctor what might happen were I to quit smoking analogs. At my age (51) and physical condition, he said there would probably be some reactions that would feel kind of like I had the flu (dizzy, nauseous, fever, chills, racing heart, etc).

It's what happens as tar and other nasty chemicals from analog cigarettes make their way out of lungs, arteries and tissues. It's a big change for the old body after all those years of tobacco poisoning. It takes about 6 months for lungs to recover almost to normal after quitting analogs.

Anyhoo, that's what my doc said. Just passing it along for what it's worth.

 

[Kate]

Good link Frankie.

Their maths agrees with mine I think.

"Normally, a cigarette needs to have about 12-15 puffs to finish it, while 0.1 ml of E-Liquid needs to have about 12-15 puffs to finish it also, so that 0.1 ml of E-Liquid is equivalent to a cigarette normally. "

 

[jedisilversun]

I could've sworn I tried to explain that to you before.
You are comparing the nicotine in the liquid with the smoke that comes out of the filter directly into your lungs.

Your math would only work if you were injecting the liquid.

This is a really confusing topic. I know its a pain in the ... but could you explain then (if its clear to you) what strengths and amounts compare to what analogue cig strength such as:

What is the equivelent in low strength 11mg liquid to 20 0.1mg nic cigs?

How much liquid do you use to compensate?

Many thanks in advance if you reply btw

Never mind, thanks again Kate lol

 

[Kate]

... You are comparing the nicotine in the liquid with the smoke that comes out of the filter directly into your lungs.

Your math would only work if you were injecting the liquid.

Um ... yeah, it comes out of the device in the vapour into our mouths where the mucus membrane starts absorption and then into our lungs. Apparently less that 2% is exhaled.

Why would injecting it compare with smoking?

EDIT
Just get close figures Jedi and then try it, let your body tell you if you have it correct.

 

[Myk]

This is a really confusing topic. I know its a pain in the ... but could you explain then (if its clear to you) what strengths and amounts compare to what analogue cig strength such as:

What is the equivelent in low strength 11mg liquid to 20 0.1mg nic cigs?

How much liquid do you use to compensate?

Many thanks in advance if you reply btw

Never mind, thanks again Kate lol

You can't, there haven't been enough studies on the two that would compare.
It's apples and oranges.

Um ... yeah, it comes out of the device in the vapour into our mouths where the mucus membrane starts absorption and then into our lungs. Apparently less that 2% is exhaled.

Why would injecting it compare with smoking?

EDIT
Just get close figures Jedi and then try it, let your body tell you if you have it correct.

E-liquid is more like a pipe, it sticks to your mouth.
Cigarettes are designed to stick to your lungs.

How much nicotine does that 400°C destroy?

How much nicotine is blown out with vapor compared to with smoke?

These are what needs to be looked at to figure this out.

 

[Kate]

Where did 400 degrees C come from? Our eliquid vapourises at a much lower temperature.

Eliquid is higher in pH than cigs which increases absorption.

How do you know it sticks to your mouth? How do you think the nicotine from cigars and pipe tobacco is absorbed?

Apparently less than 2% of nicotine is exhaled with vapour.

As I've said before, the only way to be sure is to test blood plasma nicotine levels.

 

[Myk]

Where did 400 degrees C come from? Our eliquid vapourises at a much lower temperature.

Eliquid is higher in pH than cigs which increases absorption.

How do you know it sticks to your mouth? How do you think the nicotine from cigars and pipe tobacco is absorbed?

Apparently less than 2% of nicotine is exhaled with vapour.

As I've said before, the only way to be sure is to test blood plasma nicotine levels.

Did I get the F and C temps mixed up? Whatever temperature it is, nicotine is destroyed by it just like some is destroyed by the hotbox on a cigarette. Nicotine gets destroyed at pretty low "heat".

Alkaline increases absorption though the mucus membranes, I don't think internal organs qualify. Inhaling is the reason they altered the smoke in cigarettes.
I know is for your mouth because I've been around tobacco in many forms for many years. That is what I've always heard about pipe tobacco vs cigarette tobacco and I have never once seen anyone with a scientific background say anything different. It is also what some natives do to increase the effectiveness of mouth intake.

I also have personal experience from switching to a pipe from cigarettes and back again. They hit you in totally different ways.
I've also had a few pipe tobaccos that were inhalable and it never seemed to increase the buzz that you got from having it in your mouth.

I was going to say the same thing having blood tested. Perhaps you or TB could contact the dear doctor and suggest it.
I would like to know because I've been having panic attacks today and while both times have been on the forum I don't think both can be attributed to turning other people's problems into my own.
Either I'm getting too much nicotine and it's upping my heart rate but not enough to get any other OD symptoms which makes this nicotine act differently than any other, or there's something else in the mix doing it and I don't see what that other ingredient could be since I've smoked PG pipe tobacco plenty.

If this keeps up I'm going to have to put it off until I can get some 0mg flavors (the 0mg cart was nasty) to try.

Care to come up with a rational explanation as to how it would be possible for your lungs to pick 98% of the nicotine out of the vapor and only emit the PG and flavorings?

 

[Kate]

Tobacco is burned to create smoke and it doesn't destroy all the nicotine, I've heard that our atomisers don't burn as hot as burning tobacco.

As you said, it's comparing apples and pears. Maybe vaping is more like smoking a pipe or cigar than cigarettes. Vaping does not hit in the same way as a cigarette either.

Some other people have mentioned panic attacks. It seems to happen to some people with vaping. Go easy on the nic in case that's what's causing it. Keep well.

 

[Myk]

I didn't say it destroyed all of it. We don't know how much it destroys.
Measuring cigs post filter and e-cigs pre-heat isn't a fair comparison.
And since it seems one is acidic and one is alkaline I think blood is the only way to compare them.

I found this for you.
The Significance of pH in Tobacco and Tobacco Smoke
The typed stuff is obviously optical recognition, but you can get the gist of it.

Really makes me wonder if e-cigs should not be inhaled and would be better served holding in the vapor in the mouth. Problem is, unlike a pipe or cigar you don't get punished for inhaling, like I did tonight, at first I couldn't inhale the e-cig because of the mouthpiece, then the first thing I did with some heavy duty pipe tobacco was inhale, it was the rope I told you to see if you would OD on.

The panic could be something in the cigarettes missing. I was happy as a clam only smoking pipes until I started getting panic attacks again. I had no desire to go back to cigarettes until that day, and cigarettes do help.
I'm going to split the pipe and e-cig until I can get some 0mg flavors and lower nicotine to try (and after my 20mg Camel cart runs out I'll cut it to 18mg). Hopefully I won't get used to having cigarettes again even if I do have a few a day.
Now I don't think it was nicotine OD, I've got that lump in the back of my throat from the pipe right now and that has always been my precursor to the headache if I don't slow down (even got the hiccups from the rope earlier).

 

[Magish]

iv been lurking here for about 6 months, so iv read alot of the other people with similar problems. it does just seems as with me some of us might absorb this is differently or fast or somthing. its very odd. fustrating for me cause i know so many of us have had really good results.

anyway im going to continue to lurk here for sometime. I hope we get more information on the luquid and effects in the future and why some of us seem to react so different. i mean i can chain smoke a pack of camels with no issue, but a few days of this stuff rock my world LOL.

this is a great forum. tropical bob got me trying snus and i like that alot. i can pretty much use that instead of smoking and from what iv been able to gather is WAY safer then smoking real cigs.