Am I missing somthing???

Status
Not open for further replies.

ktbug

Full Member
Jun 14, 2012
26
10
Kansas City, MO
I just got my Riva 510-t in the mail yesterday. The instructions were very vague but I figured how hard could this be? I charged everything, filled the cart with e-juice and started to puff and it was a mess. The part I didn't realize was the carts that came with it not in the package are for shipping and I needed to open one of the new ones. The one I filled had no cap and that's why all the e-liquid ended up in my mouth! The best part is I didn't just do it once I thought somthing was wrong with that atomizer so I did the same thing to the other one. Not my finest moment more of a blonde moment. Once I figured out the problem with much research and cleaned up my mess I was ready to start over again. Everything seems to be working great other than the taste. It all tastes burnt. The only time it doesn't taste nasty is the first few drags if I actually put a few drops on the wick. Did I ruin both of the atomizers? I have tried cleaning them a few different ways and still nasty. After hours of research I still can't figure it out. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for the help!!!
 

iznogood1

Full Member
Verified Member
I would suggest that you rinse the Atomizer under the hot Water tab.. until you burn your fingers.. then stop ! :)
Put it into an small cup of Vodka where it´s all covered in vodka.. don´t Waste to much of it! ;-)
Leave it there for apx. 24 hours.. take out and blow it dry.. ( That´s why I recomend Vodka.. it taste A LOT better than other alcohols) ;-) Let it dry in an normal varm place for at least 24 Hours again..
Put it on and some do an: small dry burn here.. I don´t..
Put 2 drops of liquid in it.. put it on the device and your cart on it .. filled (very moisty.. but not dripping wet)
Now U got an 50/50 in .. It might Work Again ! No guarantees from here :) But that´s what i`m doing with it!
Success rate is + 75% for me!.. But we can´t winn all the time.!
Best wishes
Ole F
 
Last edited:

Rimau

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Feb 25, 2011
236
54
I have no idea where I'm at
The wick in the spike may be too high and you are getting dry hits because the liquid cannot get to the coil. That is why when you drip right on the coil you are OK, but with the tank, harshness. You should push the wick inside the spike down a little bit, not much, just a tiny bit, and try again, if you are still getting dry hits, then push it down a bit more. If you push it down too much it will start flooding and you will probably get leaking. This is the same problem many of us had with the original ego-t system. Try this and let us know.

by the way, if you didn't get a manual, here is one in pdf. www.liberty-flights.co.uk/documents/manuals/Riva510_T.pdf

Hope this helps

Saludos
 

LucentShadow

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Dec 28, 2011
936
2,436
Michigan, USA
These things can be a bit troublesome, but they do work well when you figure them out, IMO.

I posted a while back on the things that I noticed that I had to be careful of with the 510-T system that I got. I still use the first atty in that kit occasionally.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...k-yuck-sorry-vaping-fans-p-5.html#post5604435

Before messing with the wick in the spike, make sure that the cap is not getting pushed into the tank when you insert it. That caused me nasty burnt hits on the first try.
 

ktbug

Full Member
Jun 14, 2012
26
10
Kansas City, MO
Thank you for the tips. I tried to push the wick on one and no luck. I have also tried 5 different carts and all the same thing. I am about to give up on this thing and its only my first day using it. The only positive thing I can say is the battery seems to work like a champ. So where do I go from here??? Suck it up and buy somthing new again? I don't think I can return this one. I have not had an analog in 10 days and would really like to avoid going back.

What do I buy next? I got this one based on a review on this forum and after a year they seemed so happy with how easy it was to use. Any suggestions on my next device would be great. In the meantime I guess I will puff away at this nasty thing until I figure out what to buy!

Thanks again for the input you have all been a huge help!!!:)
 

sailorman

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jun 5, 2010
4,305
2,840
Podunk, FLA
Yeah, well what a lot of the reviewers of these Riva, eGo-T, eGo-C and other tank systems always forget to mention is that they were happiest with them when they ditched the tank systems and switched over to using cartomizers, or clearomizers.

I suggest you do the same thing as a vast majority of the people who buy these systems end up doing when they tire of all the drama. You'd be very hard pressed to find someone who stuck to the tank systems any of these PVs came with for more than a few months or so. It eventually gets the best of them and they give up.

Some better options are, low resistance (1.7-2.5ohm) cartomizers, eGo Vision Clearomizers (CE4), the E1 or E2 clearomizers. Plus, a bunch more and virtually anything designed to be used on an eGo type connection or a 510 connection. Those are the most popular and any one of them will give you better results. So, take off that atomizer and cart and throw it in a junk drawer somewhwere. The Riva is easy enough to use when you use the right thing on it. The battery is good, it's just they typical junk they hang on the end of them that makes them a bunch of trouble.
 
Last edited:

TonyTT

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Dec 12, 2011
664
404
Ottawa
Listen to sailorman....I started on the 510-t as well....it was just terrible. It's not anything you're doing wrong, it's just the inherent nature of the T system. Some 1 in 5 tanks might be okay, but it just has a real flaw with wicking. If you really have to use it, I made do with either using the tank empty, simply as a mouthpiece, while I dripped on the atomizer (this kinda sucks because it leaks everywhere if you're not careful). If you have to use it for now, I suggest alelways keeping ur e-cig in a vertical position (standing in a cup or roll of toilet paper. You can manage a tentative toot every 7 min or so, pure hell on earth type stuff. I also got in the habit of just twiddling the unit (like the old make ur pencil look like it's made of rubber trick from grade school). All in all, you should start looking into cartomizers or clearomizers. Also, there is also a distinction between the T and C tank systems from ego, and tanks (cartomizer tanks). Cartomizer tanks are juice resevoirs that slip over a cartomizer with a hole punched in it. Those tanks are fine, in case you wonder why some people like tanks and some don't. My big problem is with the T and C series.

Anyways the sooner you order a clearomizer or cartomizer, the happier you'll be, but keep in mind, don't get anything that says low resistence. It can fry your little battery.
 

sailorman

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jun 5, 2010
4,305
2,840
Podunk, FLA
It's not a little skinny guy, I just looked and it says its a 650mAh. So would I be safe to order the low resistence?

Yeah, 650 is big enough to use 1.5ohms and above. 1.7-2.5ohms is the best range for that e-cig. 1.5ohms will work, but it is a bit of a strain on the battery and you might find it too hot anyway.
 

John D in CT

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Feb 27, 2012
1,576
860
Connecticut
I'm assuming you're using a little cigarette sized 510 battery (width of a pencil). Those are probably too small for low resistance. Standard resistance will be safer (2.7-3.0 ohm)

Oops, so did I. With that in mind, when and if you read all of this, you can omit the power units/PV's and chargers. Your existing battery/PV will work with the rest. That said, you would almost undoubtedly get a better vape on a variable voltage device, whether it's the one I recommend here, or one of many other fine choices like the ProVari V2, Buzz Pro 2, Smoktech VMax, Apollo VV Tube, and several others. Right now though, your main concern IMO is to get a good vape going, which might be problematic using the tank system that you presently have on your Riva battery.

*******

I have a suggestion for you.

I am not going to recommend any one particular setup as being patently, universally superior to any other, for all users, for all purposes.

That said, I'm going to recommend to you a setup that is arguably a no-brainer, slam dunk, practically must-have setup for almost any vaper, regardless of experience level, perceived wants, existing equipment, or skill level.

It is the Joyetech eGo-C Twist, an arguably game-changing "battery"/PV/AP/power source - call it what you will. It is being called by many a "game changer" because it provides variable voltage - a near-necessity for anyone who wants a really, really good vape IMO - in the eGo form factor, for not much money. It uses standard 510 threads, can be used with almost any "attachment" on the planet, and costs about $25. You will really need two for best results in keeping the ciggies away.

Grimm Green and Phil Busardo are two of the best reviewers in the "vaposphere" in my opinion. They both own and have used more vaping hardware than I ever will in my life, an their words will probably speak much more effectively to you than mine. Please watch these two videos, and please take to heart what they have to say. Grimm Green just said that he is getting just about the best vape he has ever had by using the Twist with the eact same setup - right down to the little trim piece between the Twist and the Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tank that is fitted with a 2.0 ohm single-coil cartomizer - that I just bought thirty of as my current preferred starter kit for beginners.

Here is Grimm Green's video:

THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer

And here is Phil Busardo's review:

A PBusardo Review - eGo Twist - OvaleUSA - YouTube Phil Busardo Twist review

I am not saying that "you made a bad choice" with your current setup. Not at all. There are many form factors, for many different occasions and uses, for many different mindsets, many of which change over time. Some people want something that looks and feels as much like a cigarette as possible, and once you get the bugs worked out of your Riva, you will have that. That said, I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of people who stick with vaping will add additional hardware to their "arsenal", while always having warm spot in their hearts for, and often still using, what they started on. For me, that just happens to be an eGo-class battery/PV, the Joyetech (constant 3.4 volt) battery. I will probably also get a [ciggie-sized] 510-style setup - or many of them, for those people I start out who absolutely must have a cigarette look-alike, as well as for myself - just to have, and become familiar with, and maybe even to use more than I think I might right now. They will likely be the Volt which seems to be the mostuniversally-recommended PV in that form factor.

This is exactly what I would get, and what I think you should get, if and when you can "swing" it. If you have about 85 bucks to spare I'd just go ahead and order it all tomorrow.

Two Joyetch eGo-C Twist 650 mah (milliamp/hour) batteries. They come in black, chrome, blue, white, and pink, wih the first three far easier to find in stock anywhere but at Health Cabin (in China - delivery takes a while). About (Two x $25) = $50.

One or more Smoktech 3.5ml (milliliter) "DCT" tanks - I like the chrome ones. $8.55 each.

A box of five - or better yet, two boxes - of Boge 2.0 ohm single coil "XL" sized (50mm overall) stainless steel cartomizers. About $1.45 each, although you can get them for $0.92 each if you buy 25 of them from a particular vendor that I'll link to below.

A wall charger and a USB charger that plugs into it. Standard fare at any Joyetech vendor. About $13.

A little chrome trim piece that goes between the tank and the battery that serves two purposes; makes the setup look much more finished, sleek, and damn fine-looking, and keeps the tank from sliding down the non-flanged cartomizers and onto the outside of the 510 connector. Simpler than it sounds. About $1.49

A drip tip. Just a plain, clear "Delrin" (plastic) one will look great. About $3.

That's about $85.50 plus shipping if you get one tank and five cartomizers. In Connecticut, that's about ten days of smoking a pack a day (high taxes).

****

Links:

Joyetech eGo-C Twist: Joye eGo-C Twist Variable Voltage 650mAh Battery (MyVaporStore)

Smoktech 3.5ml DCT tank: Pro DCTank Tube (MyVaporStore)

USB charger: eGo Rapid USB Charger 6.75 (MyVaporStore)

Wall charger: Mini AC Wall to USB Converter 6.25 (MyVaporStore)

eGo trim piece: eGo Cone Cover for DCTank (MyVaporStore)

Plain drip tip: Colored Drip Tip - 510/901 (MyVaporStore)

Cartomizers: Crystal Clear Vaping CrystalClearVaping

Cartomizers: Boge Mix n Match (5 Boxes) SureVapes - $0.92 each


No, I do not own, work for, or am in any way affiliated with MyVaporStore.com.

If you don't like this setup, you can PM me and I will buy it from you fr what you paid for it. For you, I will reimburse you for shipping. For anyone else reading this, same deal except the shipping to me is on you.

You will like it, and you wll like it very much. You will have to slot the cartomizers; either per Phil Busardo's YouTube video:

A PBusardo Tutorial - How I slot my cartos!.wmv - YouTube - or PM me and I will call you and tell you how to do it. You'll need to own or borrow a Dremel tool for someone, and you'll need some Dremel cut-off wheels, # 409. Or you can buy a cartomizr punch. It's hard to find pre-punched cartomizers that will work well with lower-voltage devices, even ones that go up to 4.8 volts like the Twist. Some people - including MyVaporStore - will say that dual coil cartomizers work fine on lower-voltage devices - but they do not.

From the MyVaporStore website:

These cartomizers were designed specifically for use with Dual Coil Tank (DCTank) Tubes. A 510 drip tip and DCTank tube is needed in order to use these cartomizers. There is a hole punch on the side of them so may leak if used without a DCTank Tube.

All of our eLiquid will work with the DCTank (full PG or 50/50 PG/VG). Full VG eliquid is too thick and will not work well in theDCTank. [VG will work much better in a carto slotted for it].

These new cartomizers contain two heating coils instead of one to produce more vapor than your standard cartomizer [if you can put enough volts/watts to them]. They have been designed to work great with 3.7V batteries [Not IMO] or a HV (high voltage) setup. Available in 1.5ohm or 2.5ohm. Please allow +/- 0.3 variation. We recommend 1.5ohm for Ego batteries [why?] or 3.0V-4.2V batteries and 2.5ohm for 5V or higher. These cartomizers must be used with batteries of 650mAh capacity or higher and are known to discharge batteries much quicker than single coil cartomizers.

This is nowhere near as complicated as it might seem, and will be well worth the modest learning curve to figure out. This thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sion/302432-why-ego-c-twist-game-changer.html

contains a thorough discussion of why single coil cartomizers are far superior (IMO) to dual coils for use in a Joyetech Twist (or any eGo-class battery/PV).

If you do nothing else, please at least watch the Grimm Green review of the Twist, and feel free to ask any questions that you might have. Good luck, and happy vaping, whatever it's on.

*****

Others might recommend other things, and I encourage them to do so without making direct comparisons to what I have recommended if those other devices are of a different form factor. I would hate to see anyone get into any sort of fuss with the moderators.

*****

And Sailorman is quite correct IMO that tank systems such as the Joyetech T and C are not at all the best means of delivering juice to an atomizer coil or coils.

******

Final note: I have always found the term DCT[ank] to be a misnomer, since "DCT" stands for Dual Coil Tank, potentially leading one to believe that single coil cartomizers are somehow not well-suited to them, which IMO they very much are. Some people like dual coils, and IMO they have their place, but not in lower-voltage devices; not even a 1.5 ohm dual coil in a Twist, due to the marginal wattage per coil, and the greatly increased amp draw of say a 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizer over a 3.0 ohm single coil.
 
Last edited:

ktbug

Full Member
Jun 14, 2012
26
10
Kansas City, MO
Its funny you mentioned those videos John D in CT. That is what I have been doing for the last 2 hours. Flipping between this web site and watching PBusardo and Grimm Green. I started looking at the ego twist and then I watched Phil's on the kgo and started looking at those too. I really enjoy vaping so far and I can't imagine what it will be like when things work and taste good!

Thank you so much for all the info, huge help!!! I have some decisions to make and some ordering to do tomorrow.
 

John D in CT

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Feb 27, 2012
1,576
860
Connecticut
Its funny you mentioned those videos John D in CT. That is what I have been doing for the last 2 hours. Flipping between this web site and watching PBusardo and Grimm Green. I started looking at the ego twist and then I watched Phil's on the kgo and started looking at those too. I really enjoy vaping so far and I can't imagine what it will be like when things work and taste good!

Thank you so much for all the info, huge help!!! I have some decisions to make and some ordering to do tomorrow.

You're very welcome - and in all fairness, and so people don't think I'm completely crazy (although I just might be), I didn't type that all out just for you. After some [a lot of?] editing, I'm going to be linking to and/or plastering an improved version of it in various threads for some time to come. Anyone who watches Grimm Green's review will probably gain a better understanding of why I think so highly of this exact setup. As he said, he has a lot of stuff, and he's getting about as good a vape as he's ever had (his words) while his more advanced stuff stays home much of the time. No, of course he will not abandon it all in favor of the Twist, for too many reasons to list, but the main thing I took away from his review is that the Twist with these attachments is a potent package, and a virtual cannot-miss fantastic start for beginners, as well as a great addition to the collection of even very experienced vapers.

*****

Forgot to include this picture in my other post:

Four Twists -  landscape.jpg

This setup really does look great IMO.
 
Last edited:

Rimau

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Feb 25, 2011
236
54
I have no idea where I'm at
I suggest you do the same thing as a vast majority of the people who buy these systems end up doing when they tire of all the drama. You'd be very hard pressed to find someone who stuck to the tank systems any of these PVs came with for more than a few months or so. It eventually gets the best of them and they give up.

.

I got an ego-t when it first came out and used it almost exclusively for a long time, then I tried all kinds of different stuff. I still used the tank occasionally, but when the ego-c came out, I use it now almost exclusively. It seems they worked out many of the bugs that the original system had. I used the stardust/vision, CE2, CE3, CE2lxrev5, dual coil, LRs, DCT, and plenty of carts (I started with an 808). Some do and some don't like tanks, but that doesn't mean that they are not for you nor that they can't be fantastic. Everyone has to find what fits best for them. It's a personal learning curve, PV is for Personal.

Jonh D has it right, the twist is an excellent batt and I would recommend it. I hated the stardust/vision until I could crank up the volts on my twist, and it is pretty good now, not just sitting in my vape box, although I still mostly use my ego-c.

Some people have problems with any system, I remember that there were many reported problems with the ego-t that I didn't have. I remember when so many people absolutely raved about the go-go and that has fallen to the wayside faster than the ego. It is just a matter of experimentation to find what works best for you. Some love the LR, I don't, some love the dual coil, I am not a fan. I have tried them all, but that doesn't make me any less of an experienced vaporer just because I know what I like and it might not fit in with other people's idea of the "perfect vape".

Get a batt like the twist that will give you plenty of options. Look at what John D says and try that, it sounds like sound advice. But don't forget to try different setups to see if there is some combination out there that you like best, that is until the next "revolutionary" piece of equipment comes along.
 

sailorman

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jun 5, 2010
4,305
2,840
Podunk, FLA
And how many PVs did you have when you bought your one Twist? Are you advocating that someone by a single 650mah Twist? The problem with the Twist isn't just that it's disposable, or limited. The problem is that it's either low capacity or ridiculously long and you need TWO of them in any case. What sounds like a great deal isn't such a great deal when you double the price and compare it to what you could get for the same total price. By the time you add a charger or two and shipping you'll pay $55-60 for 1300mah total and still need to recharge every 3.5 hours. If someone considers that a good value, they've made that decision by some other mechanism than logic and reason.

A single Twist for $25 is a decent intro to VV for someone who already has a main PV. That's something the Twisters always seem to forget when they recommend this flavor-of-the-day to newbies. For someone starting out without a backup, it's a poor value at best and a disaster in the making at worst. Last month it was the Vmax that was the "must have' PV. The month before that it was the eGo mod. Next month it'll be something else and in 4 months, when all those 650mah Twists start biting the dust, it'll be something else.
 

ktbug

Full Member
Jun 14, 2012
26
10
Kansas City, MO
Ok, after finally going to bed after 2 am I placed an order today. I purchased a set of the Boge Refillable 510 Cartomizers 2.0 ohm and I also purchased a E1 Clearomizer so I will see how those work. The battery I have so far is awesome. I would say the charge lasts about 8 hours so far. This is also with me using it all the time because of the constant issues so I think I have been puffing on it way more than I would normally. According to the site where I purchased it said the battery could last up to 12 hours so I will have too see about that.

On another note I think I might have figured out my problem. After watching one of PBusardo videos last night he was testing out one of the many devices and it was close to the system I have only smaller. He was showing pictures of what the tanks looked like before inserted and after. The after picture had a little hole in it where the spike had gone through to allow the juice to flow down. I looked at all of mine that I had tried and none of them had this. So I decided to take the rubber cap off and poke a small hole myself. IT WORKED!!!!! I have know idea why its not poking through on its own but its not! I have gone through one entire tank and just refilled it and I havent had any issues. It tastes good and its not leaking. Not much of a throat hit but its vanilla e-juice and its pretty mild.

I am still excited about my order and I can't wait to try out the new stuff! I am sticking with what I have for the time being. Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions. I am sure down the road I will get board with what I have and want to upgrade to something else. In the meantime this has been a great learning experience for me and it has also forced me to try a few new things that I didn't ever see my self using! :)
 

sailorman

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jun 5, 2010
4,305
2,840
Podunk, FLA
:facepalm: No hole in the tank cover!! Shoulda' thought of that. Yeah, I'd imagine you'd get some pretty nasty hits that way. You should like the Boges for throat hit though, and the E1 for taste and capacity.

Yeah, a 650mah battery can last 13 hours. It can last a week too, if you use it an hour a day.
Rule of thumb is that an average vaper (whatever that is) can get about 1 hour/100mah of battery capacity.
I'm close to, but not quite, a chain-vaper and I get about 80-85% of that. You'd have to be a pretty light vaper to get 13 hours. It also depends on what device you're using. A lower resistance gets you less time than a higher one. If you get 6 hours on your Riva, that's pretty much what you should expect, unless you are a light vaper.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread