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IMFire3605

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I'll second looking at the kit Katya just linked. Set up the options of the kit to your taste, the only thing left is just liquid and you are off and running. Liquid vendors in the UK, one of our UK members will have to pipe in here on those. However on liquids, I can pipe in specifications.

I'd suggest a 50 Propylene Glycol/50 Vegatable Glycerin ratio at first, these are your suspension compounds of your liquid, the PG is thinner than VG and transports flavor better and enhances throat hit (harshness of hit) where the VG can sweeten a liquid better and produces more vapor, at 50/50 ratio the liquid won't be to thick or to thin, give decent flavor, a good throat hit, and decent vapor output, or a 70PG/30VG blend which will be a bit thinner with a bit more flavor, little more punch on the throat hit, but a decrease in vapor, however will work real well with a Kanger BC tank without any modifications. Nicotine content is all dependent on your cigarette usage presently. 2 packs a day Full Flavor or Roll Your Owns, 24mg minimum or 36mg maximum would be your start, word of caution, Nic level does give a stronger throat hit the higher the content level. Pack and a half to a single pack a day full flavors would land you about 18mg minimum 24mg maximum. Pack a day Lights, 1/2 pack a day full flavors 12mg to 16mg maximum. Half pack a day of lights or lower 4mg to 8mg.

The T3 tank system suggested is a 3milli-liter tank, a nice system I personally still use on a daily basis. The Evod suggested is a 1.6milli-liter tank system I own a couple as well. Performance wise, they both perform equally well, though later down the road if you find you like the T3, I use them as my go to work system due to capacity, I'd suggest later on looking at the upgraded version the T3S. I use my Evods at home or when out on short jaunts with spare T3's or Evods in my case. They both are easy to maintain, simple rinsing in warm tap water on the tanks and heads every couple tank refills keeps them pretty much clean, about once a week a good soak in vodka or everclear for about 20minutes, then a dry burn to clean up carbon build up off the coils, and a rinse in warm tap water let out to dry will give them longevity. Their mouthpiece is part of the tank so no extra parts to buy there, and if you like both, you can look later on at the Protanks/Protank 2's/Mini Protank/Mini Protank 2 Version 2, which are glass tanks over the T3 and Evod are plastic. The older T3 head is one unit, a solid base, coil head cup, and chimney, the Evod/T3S/Protanks are modular (sepperate base, sepperate coil assembly that attaches to the base), so either buy a couple T3S bases, or T3S tanks. Reason, instead of having to buy 2 or 3 sepperate model coil heads, reduce those replacements to a singly model, in this case the T3S coil head replacements will work in all of Kangers bottom coil systems, or any Tank that uses the Kanger Protank/Evod heads, though Evod and Protank heads will not fit in a T3S or T3 upgraded to a T3S base assembly. Filling and refilling, all Kanger BC are filled the same way, removed the base with the tank upside down, fill along the side between the chimney tube and side up to the top of the chimney stem, reseat and tighten the base and tank together, let sit upright for about 5-15 minutes, pull a couple un-powered hits before doing a powered hit, off and running, if chain vaping, about every 3rd hit redo the un-powered double puff primer.

Good luck, welcome to the forums and community, and best wishes to you on becoming cigarette free, hope the yunguns appreciate what you are trying to do for them ;)
 

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I will read through all these later tonight once the kids are in bed, think I could do with a guide book of what all these names are, I finding it a little overwhelming I have heard the name evod and protank a few times on here but still no idea what it actually is (full system/battery/etc). Please talk to me like I'm a 4yr old I really won't mind :)
 

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After 5 posts wait 1 hr for the ECF servers to reset and you can post in the
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Chrissie runs the website I posted, has been vaping for 5 yrs and is a wealth of info for UK Vapers
As for all the diff gear google "youTube ProTank", etc for reviews etc.
Here's a glossary:
A - Z E-Cig Glossary | Guide To Vaping
 

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I didn't have time to read the whole thread but If someone didn't already say it I would recommend a 2nd charger for back up. I had my charger go bad once and didn't have a spare. I was shaking in my shoes waiting for the new one. Also welcome to the forum :)

My OH is thinking of getting one too, so IF? The charges match I should be able to borrow his or visa versa (are they all the same....probably not right)?
 

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hi,

instead of buying a complete ego-starter kit, i'd go with single components...
to get the best possible components for the price.

you need 2 batteries...

i'd go with vision spinners VV SPINNER ECIG BATTERI 1300 MAH VISION
ego-c twists JOYETECH EGO-C TWIST 900 MAH ECIG BATTERI STÅL
or innokin vv 3.0s ITASTE VV MAGNET ECIG BATTERI SORT

2 bottom-coil cartomizers

i really like the evod/protank II/davide, which all use the same, cheap and good atomizer heads.
EVOD CLEAROMIZER STÅL
However... recently i have heard great things about the aspire line of clearomizers... check out the pbusardo review on youtube
ASPIRE BDC CE5 - KLAR

- a couple of exchangable atomizer heads for your system of choice.

- a charger

and you are set :)

This is REALLY helpful, thank you for breaking up the bits like that...erm what is a atomizer head (you know when you give your 97 yr old grandma your phone to borrow and she gets a blank face wondering where the buttons are...that's my expression right now)! Seriously zeroclue!
 

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What I would recommend:

1 of the Innokin iTaste V3 (it is an 800 mAh battery) and,

1 of the Joye eGo-C Twist (650 mAh battery) and,

1 of the Evod (clearomizer, small plastic tank to hold liquid) and,

1 of the Kanger Tech Mini Protank 2 (clearomizer, small Pyrex glass tank to hold liquid) and,

1 USB wall adapter (sometimes called a wall wart) ensure it is for the type of outlet you have and,

5 pack of spare Kanger Protank heads (2.2 ohm resistance)

Also; if you buy the Twist you will also need a charger (USB eGo charger, very inexpensive)(sometimes called a dongle) for it (the iTaste V3 Express Kit comes with a USB charger cord.

Why I would recommend it:

The iTaste V3 has the most features and flexibility in a small size and reasonable (low) price. It can check the resistance of the coil, or lack thereof, if there is a problem such as a broken coil or bad connection. You can adjust the voltage (same as other VV like the Twist) or set the wattage and the V3 will automatically adjust the voltage when you change clearomizers or if the resistance of the coil changes as you use it. It can be used as a tool to help troubleshoot problems rather than buy a separate meter. The Express kit comes with the battery (attractive), the retractable USB charging cable, and a very good manual.

The Joye Twist is a very reliable VV battery. The 650 mAh is the smallest size. A 650 Twist and a Mini Protank 2 is the same length as a iTaste V3 and an Evod. The Twist and Evod would give you a short version and the iTaste and Protank would be a longer setup. The numbers on the Twist are hard to see in artificial light but are easier to see in sunlight. Since the objective of changing the voltage is to adjust the taste, the numbers themselves are not that important. Adjust it to where it tastes best for you. Start low and work your way up is the usual advice.

The Evods and Protanks are both filled by inverting them and unscrewing the bottom (which will be at the top) and filling from a normal dropper bottle. They both use the same replaceable heads so there is no confusion there. The heads can be modified or rebuilt easily if you should decide to try it in the future. Wick and wire is very inexpensive.

You may want to get 2 wall adapters but your laptop can be used as a last resort backup, if necessary. A car USB adapter is also handy at times and can be Very useful during a power outage!

You should try several flavours of juice in small bottles at first until you decide which you like and dislike. Getting stuck with large bottles of juice that you don't like is expensive and wasteful. 12 and 18 seem like a good start and you may want a 24 as well, so that you are not lacking nicotine as you taper off of smoking.

I believe that these items will give you a good basic start and you can experiment with other items at your leisure.

Have Fun and Relax, Enjoy!
 

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If you are just starting I recommend a brick and mortar store. Will you pay a little more? Yes; but the they should walk you through all the functions of the device and show you how to fill the device let try samples of flavors and should let you sample the device you are interested in. If you have any problems or questions you go back and ask. Best of luck.

Lol, yes I had a quick look on-line yesterday to see if I could find a local store. One came up for the next town to me, their web site carried the totally wicked logo but I could have designed/copied the web site much better myself (seems VERY cowboy) also stated they where selling E-juice behind the bar at a pub in town! The next one was for a market stall, which also seemed to sell cheaper versions. Which is why I looked on the well known sites :)
 

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Hi, I started about a month ago, but can't help with any links (as I'm no in the UK anyway, and links are not quite right here?).
I started of with a couple of EGO twist batteries, a 1000mAh and a 650mAh. The variable voltage twist are longer than normal ego batteries to fit the twist variable voltage parts in. So the 650mAh was for more discreet and pocket storage, the 1000mAh was needed for all day and night usage though (the 650mAh wouldn't last all day/night)
The have ego threads and 510 threads, nearly every clearomizer with fit one or the other thread.

no syringes needed for refilling for full size clearos. The bottom coil ones you just unscrew the bottom of the clearo to fill, the top coil ones just unscrew the top. There is a clearo called 'nano' sized that needs a syringe, but they at the tiny thin clearomizers.

Some bottom coil clearos work better than others. Some gurgle and spit, so you get ejuice in your mouth and I'm not just talking certain makes/models, I mean even good ones - buy a few all together and then if you get a dud it may need better or more wick. these are mass produced and some just aren't quite right, buy a few (and spare coil heads to swap) before writing off a make/model.
Anyway, that's a possible problem with bottom coils (I used plenty of EVODs BTW, I have about 6, and some are like that sometimes but some are awesome all the time)
Anyway, for that reason I have a few top coils, and no, you don't have to tip them or anything to get them to work, they work automatically until running low in very low juice (BTW running low on juice is when the bottom coil clearos seem to gurgle and spit the most too). I like iclear and kangertech T2 top clearos on ego style batteries, though your standard CE4 stardust is OK as long as it's the coil replaceable type - some aren't and they are fully disposable when the coil fails)

ah, what else? All clearomizers come with a drip tip, either fixed or replaceable if you want to swap them later.


edit: Sorry if I repeated anything or contradicted anything. There was only 4 replies when I started writing this! :D

This is brill, thank you, I will re-read later and take notes, I keep looking things up then have to go back later and check what it said because I've looked up 5 other things and got all muddled again!
 

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I'll second looking at the kit Katya just linked. Set up the options of the kit to your taste, the only thing left is just liquid and you are off and running. Liquid vendors in the UK, one of our UK members will have to pipe in here on those. However on liquids, I can pipe in specifications.

I'd suggest a 50 Propylene Glycol/50 Vegatable Glycerin ratio at first, these are your suspension compounds of your liquid, the PG is thinner than VG and transports flavor better and enhances throat hit (harshness of hit) where the VG can sweeten a liquid better and produces more vapor, at 50/50 ratio the liquid won't be to thick or to thin, give decent flavor, a good throat hit, and decent vapor output, or a 70PG/30VG blend which will be a bit thinner with a bit more flavor, little more punch on the throat hit, but a decrease in vapor, however will work real well with a Kanger BC tank without any modifications. Nicotine content is all dependent on your cigarette usage presently. 2 packs a day Full Flavor or Roll Your Owns, 24mg minimum or 36mg maximum would be your start, word of caution, Nic level does give a stronger throat hit the higher the content level. Pack and a half to a single pack a day full flavors would land you about 18mg minimum 24mg maximum. Pack a day Lights, 1/2 pack a day full flavors 12mg to 16mg maximum. Half pack a day of lights or lower 4mg to 8mg.

The T3 tank system suggested is a 3milli-liter tank, a nice system I personally still use on a daily basis. The Evod suggested is a 1.6milli-liter tank system I own a couple as well. Performance wise, they both perform equally well, though later down the road if you find you like the T3, I use them as my go to work system due to capacity, I'd suggest later on looking at the upgraded version the T3S. I use my Evods at home or when out on short jaunts with spare T3's or Evods in my case. They both are easy to maintain, simple rinsing in warm tap water on the tanks and heads every couple tank refills keeps them pretty much clean, about once a week a good soak in vodka or everclear for about 20minutes, then a dry burn to clean up carbon build up off the coils, and a rinse in warm tap water let out to dry will give them longevity. Their mouthpiece is part of the tank so no extra parts to buy there, and if you like both, you can look later on at the Protanks/Protank 2's/Mini Protank/Mini Protank 2 Version 2, which are glass tanks over the T3 and Evod are plastic. The older T3 head is one unit, a solid base, coil head cup, and chimney, the Evod/T3S/Protanks are modular (sepperate base, sepperate coil assembly that attaches to the base), so either buy a couple T3S bases, or T3S tanks. Reason, instead of having to buy 2 or 3 sepperate model coil heads, reduce those replacements to a singly model, in this case the T3S coil head replacements will work in all of Kangers bottom coil systems, or any Tank that uses the Kanger Protank/Evod heads, though Evod and Protank heads will not fit in a T3S or T3 upgraded to a T3S base assembly. Filling and refilling, all Kanger BC are filled the same way, removed the base with the tank upside down, fill along the side between the chimney tube and side up to the top of the chimney stem, reseat and tighten the base and tank together, let sit upright for about 5-15 minutes, pull a couple un-powered hits before doing a powered hit, off and running, if chain vaping, about every 3rd hit redo the un-powered double puff primer.

Good luck, welcome to the forums and community, and best wishes to you on becoming cigarette free, hope the yunguns appreciate what you are trying to do for them ;)

Thank you I found this very interesting, so much to take in. I didn't realize there was so much difference with the mix of liquids I figured that to be the simple bit but just goes to show. Why is cinnamon different to others? Maybe I got the mg wrong too, I usually smoke 20ish roll my owns a day (analogs rights?, check me out I got something right)! :)

I really need to find a good store so I can have look at all these devices, I can order on-line once I know what I'm looking at and hunt around for good deals.
 

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After 5 posts wait 1 hr for the ECF servers to reset and you can post in the
UK Forum
Chrissie runs the website I posted, has been vaping for 5 yrs and is a wealth of info for UK Vapers
As for all the diff gear google "youTube ProTank", etc for reviews etc.
Here's a glossary:
A - Z E-Cig Glossary | Guide To Vaping

I've book marked the glossary, I did read on the other day, seemed easy enough until I started add all the brand names to different parts then I just got bamboozled :)
 

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I've book marked the glossary, I did read on the other day, seemed easy enough until I started add all the brand names to different parts then I just got bamboozled :)

It does sound rather intimidating with all the diif gear. Realize the parts of a kit:
Batteries- usually good for about 250- 300 recharges. 100 mah = "approx" 1 hr Vaping before needing recharge.
Juice Delivery System: this holds and vaporizes the juice. Most of the Clearomizers ( most popular)have very long lasting heads (wick + coil) and can be replaced easily and inexpensively- tank portion can be reused.
Of there's also the chargers and wall adapters.
In regards to juice:
Juice Components
Flavoring usually about 3-15%- could be higher or lower depending on the flavor used.
PG enhances flavor, TH and lung hit- water like - many of us believe PG to be a throat irritant.
VG= vapor and can mute flavor- thick
Nicotine- TH, lung hit and our need for nicotine. The MOST important ingredient in regards to TH and lung hit.
Standards in the industry are 80/ 20 or 70/ 30 PG/ VG. Many are using a 50/ 50 as they find it provides a smoother vape.
All this jargon may sound very complicated but once you have your gear in hand it will all make sense and seem all too logical IMHO.
Best of Luck and hopefully Chrissie will see this thread and provide input. NOT to take from other members but she's a very classy lady with oodles of knowledge.
 
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I would suggest you get one Protank 2 for each flavor you plan on rotating.

Maybe grab some cartomizers or other device as well, just to try them and have the option of trying flavors. Once you fill a Protank, it's a bit of effort to clean it out and get it sterilized and set for switching to another flavor. Something to keep in mind./QUOTE]

The protank 2 sounds good to use when I have found some favorite flavors, but what is best to use so I can frequently change flavors until I find what I like?
 

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