Am I the Only One who Prefers a Single Coil ?

[AndriaD]

IMHO Andria ideal flavor range(I'm the same way) is anywhere between .8 and 1.2ohms. I use mesh though. I've found you don't have to go nearly as low ohms with mesh for a fantastic flavorful vape. I found myself with cotton(after someone(baby mama)threw my mesh out and until I got more) continually building lower and lower ohm coils. I use mechanicals and just got a magma as well. It's a LOT of atomizer for a single coil build. Did a quick dual with cotton. Not enough experience with it to say this or that. Sorry. Nice vape though.
Hate to be that guy but, get something that fires below 1.3ohms. Especially if you're rebuilding. The I leaf 30w is a good choice. It will allow for a much wider range of builds with thicker longer lasting gauge wire. Fires to .45ohms I believe. Had the same 1.3ohm cutoff when I started so I know there's a lot of limitations with that cutoff. Plus, now you could do dual coils if you chose to. Dual with a 1.3ohm cutoff is tough...

I really don't think my asthma will allow me to vape that way; too much or too thick or too hot vapor either gives me a coughing fit, an asthma attack, or both. I do have a mech, but the coil I use on it is 1.3Ω. And I FARRRRRRRRRRRR prefer to make adjustments to the vape quality "on the fly," by adjusting the wattage, depending on how my asthma is, at any given moment.

Asthmatics can't vape the same way as those with normal, even smoke-damaged lungs; the lung capacity and resilience just isn't there, but what is there is a hair-trigger sensitivity to anything which even slightly irritates or narrows the airways.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

I am firmly in the single coil camp, with a 2.0Ω coil at 11 watts I was able to elicit a comment at home..."can you put that thing down, I can't see the TV" NOT the reaction I was going for, and I try not to create waves, no upside following that route.

I recently purchased an Orchid V4 and tried it as a dual coil, meh, plugged one airway and two juice channels and it works wonderfully as a single coil setup.

That's very close to how I build and run mine; right now one kayfun is 1.8Ω, and the other is dead on 2Ω; the 2Ω is on the sigelei at 10.5w; the 1.8 is on the vamo, at 11w, because that mod is much lower-powered than the sigelei -- is that what they mean by "voltage drop" from the mod to the atty? The sigelei seems like a powerhouse compared to the vamo.

Andria

 

[Stosh]

That's very close to how I build and run mine; right now one kayfun is 1.8Ω, and the other is dead on 2Ω; the 2Ω is on the sigelei at 10.5w; the 1.8 is on the vamo, at 11w, because that mod is much lower-powered than the sigelei -- is that what they mean by "voltage drop" from the mod to the atty? The sigelei seems like a powerhouse compared to the vamo.

Andria

Voltage drop is from resistance in the circuit that is indroduced by items other than the coil. The 510 connector, the coil connections, the switch will all contribute very small amounts of resistance that "drops the voltage" that the coil actually sees.

You can see some differences with different brand mods simply because they are not actually producing the exact voltage or wattage shown on their pretty little screens.... The calibration of what is displayed lacks any sense of accuracy in most mods.

 

[Soignee]

I am firmly in the single coil camp, with a 2.0Ω coil at 11 watts I was able to elicit a comment at home..."can you put that thing down, I can't see the TV" NOT the reaction I was going for, and I try not to create waves, no upside following that route.

I recently purchased an Orchid V4 and tried it as a dual coil, meh, plugged one airway and two juice channels and it works wonderfully as a single coil setup.

I ran my Orchid as a single coil as well. Loved the flavor and air flow.


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[EddieAdams]

I really don't think my asthma will allow me to vape that way; too much or too thick or too hot vapor either gives me a coughing fit, an asthma attack, or both. I do have a mech, but the coil I use on it is 1.3Ω. And I FARRRRRRRRRRRR prefer to make adjustments to the vape quality "on the fly," by adjusting the wattage, depending on how my asthma is, at any given moment.

Asthmatics can't vape the same way as those with normal, even smoke-damaged lungs; the lung capacity and resilience just isn't there, but what is there is a hair-trigger sensitivity to anything which even slightly irritates or narrows the airways.

Andria

Well that changes things....sorry to hear that but, by the same token you can still turn down a lower ohm coil on a variable wattage mod...the thing you'll see is that resistance wire in the 28,26,24, range is much sturdier. I have 3 setups I like with my mesh. 1/16 28g 10 wraps for 1ohm(SxDmicro coil). 7/64 26g 6 wraps .8ohms. And one in between there of 8 wraps 26g. Not sure the diameter. Metered like.9...

Main idea is you're not limited nearly as much....

 

[BlueSnake]

Papa, I'm with you on the single coil vape. I vaped 3 ohm cartos/tank exclusively for 1 1/2 years until I got a Reo. The Reo with an RM2 allowed me to learn to build a proper coil. I like my coils anywhere from 1.2 to 2ohms. I still have a Reo and a couple of 3D printed bottom feeders, but I also use DNA devices and Provaris with Kayfuns. Out of curiosity I have tried all different kinds of vapes and atomizers but I just don't like dual coils or a hot vape.

Some things to try which are working great for me. The Aspire Nautilus tanks with BVC coils. Those are single vertical coils and produce some amazing vape. Also the new Kayfun V4. I only have the clones but they work great. The Tobeco and the Infinite clones seem to be the ones to go with. All my coils for any of these are in the same range, but I seem to be hovering around 1.8ohms. And I see you are getting a regular top cap for your Cyclone. I use one drilled to 1/16” and I love it. I tried the AFC cap and was not a fan. The AFC cap works better for dual coils which I have totally given up on.

More people vape single coils than dual coils. It's just that dual coil building and cloud chasing get a lot of play on the forum but is not representative of the real world. YOU are NOT alone.

 

[AndriaD]

Well that changes things....sorry to hear that but, by the same token you can still turn down a lower ohm coil on a variable wattage mod...the thing you'll see is that resistance wire in the 28,26,24, range is much sturdier. I have 3 setups I like with my mesh. 1/16 28g 10 wraps for 1ohm(SxDmicro coil). 7/64 26g 6 wraps .8ohms. And one in between there of 8 wraps 26g. Not sure the diameter. Metered like.9...

Main idea is you're not limited nearly as much....

I've been using 29ga for my kayfun coils, about 7-ish wraps, 7/64; I like that size coil (the 7/64) because I've finally learned how to wick it properly! It's a lot sturdier than 30ga, that's for sure -- I recently replaced the coils in my kayfuns, which had been in constant use since August! And only one of them was really falling off in performance, the other still vaped as well as ever, but I like to do them both at the same time.

If I stay with 29ga, at that size, 5 or 6/5 wraps would give me 1.4Ω; if I go with 28ga, then 7 or 7/6 wraps, would give me the same resistance, but would give more surface area, and Steam Engine is showing it as a slightly cooler vape. I see no real point in going to a lower resistance than that for the vape I want, since it would just waste the battery. I'll probably try both wire-sizes and see which I like better, at that resistance, and probably try each size with another wrap, to see how the Magma does at different resistance. I know already from my experiments with 28ga when I first got my kayfun, that if I go to more than 8 wraps with 28ga, it feels too slow to me.

I'd sure like to see some pics of single-coils on magmas, y'all. Never did hear anything about the height of the coil off the airhole, or if that plays any role, with Magmas.

Andria

 

[aki917]

I love single coil build on flavor rda's but I also love warm-hot vape so on my atomic and my veritas I used single (0.4ohm) and manta v2 and dark hose dual coil or 0.3-0.4 ohm on a flavor dark horse sucks but still love that mass airflow. Also on manta v2 I like it more than veritas due to more airflow ^^;; I don't care too much for cloud long as I get a good lung hit ^^

 

[retic1959]

I won't use anything else. And I'm about to invest in a magma clone; I'd LOVE to see some single-coil magma builds -- I've googled it but even with the "single-coil" in the search phrase, it STILL shows me dual-coil buils. Anybody got a Magma with a NORMAL (not braided, twisted, or in other way mangled or complicated) single-coil build, who can post pics of it? I do NOT vape for CLOUDS, I vape for FLAVOR, in the simplest possible way. And I always build my kayfuns around 1.8-2 ohms, but I'm willing to consider something between 1.3-1.6 for the Magma (not lower than 1.3, because neither my sigelei nor my vamo will fire anything lower). I'd also love some comments on placement of the coil -- yeah, right over the air hole, got that, but what about the height of it? I know in the kayfun, higher = better TH; anything along those lines with the magma? Andria

Andria , although I use duals in the Magma I can tell you that I run my coils high in the Magma , 3-4 mm above the airduct to keep the wick of the deck and as far away from the airduct to minimise condensation and keep juice from getting into the airduct itself . I would also suggest putting the build on the side of the atty facing away from you when it's mounted on your device , it'll lessen the chance of juice overflowing the well and running into the open airduct underneath the coil when it's tilted to vape .The AFC ring should be closed on the side facing you . I would suggest 6 wraps of 28ga at 2.4 mm or 7 wraps at 2mm as a good starting point .

 

[AndriaD]

Andria , although I use duals in the Magma I can tell you that I run my coils high in the Magma , 3-4 mm above the airduct to keep the wick of the deck and as far away from the airduct to minimise condensation and keep juice from getting into the airduct itself . I would also suggest putting the build on the side of the atty facing away from you when it's mounted on your device , it'll lessen the chance of juice overflowing the well and running into the open airduct underneath the coil when it's tilted to vape .The AFC ring should be closed on the side facing you . I would suggest 6 wraps of 28ga at 2.4 mm or 7 wraps at 2mm as a good starting point .

Sounds like great advice, thanks!! But what size drillbit is 2mm or 2.4mm? I've looked for metric drillbits but Home Depot doesn't seem to carry them -- but I always prefer a 7/64 drillbit, because I've learned how to wick that size perfectly. I can wick a 3/32 size coil pretty well too; I use that size in my Igo-S because it's so tiny.

Thx much!!!
Andria

 

[PapawBrett]

Sounds like great advice, thanks!! But what size drillbit is 2mm or 2.4mm? I've looked for metric drillbits but Home Depot doesn't seem to carry them -- but I always prefer a 7/64 drillbit, because I've learned how to wick that size perfectly. I can wick a 3/32 size coil pretty well too; I use that size in my Igo-S because it's so tiny.

Thx much!!!
Andria

I am at work and don't have them with me, but I believe 3/32 is 1.98 mm , and 7/64 is close to 2.4 mm

 

[AndriaD]

I am at work and don't have them with me, but I believe 3/32 is 1.98 mm , and 7/64 is close to 2.4 mm

Thanks very much; I know there's an online thing to do the conversion, but I'd have to find it!

I'll probably stick with my 7/64s for an RDA as large as the Magma; I've had very good vaping with those in my Kayfuns, and it's what I'm most accustomed to.

I'm vaping my strawberries and cream in my kayfun again, to test it once more for the gunking, and yep it's still doing it; I've been having to rewick/dry-burn twice a day for this stuff, and it's worth it because it's so tasty, but such a huge PITA in a kayfun, having to drain the tank -- it'll be much easier to deal with it, in an RDA. The Inawera Shisha Strawberry tastes FANTASTIC, but they ain't kidding about organic flavors causing a lot of gunking.

Andria

 

[retic1959]

Thanks very much; I know there's an online thing to do the conversion, but I'd have to find it! I'll probably stick with my 7/64s for an RDA as large as the Magma; I've had very good vaping with those in my Kayfuns, and it's what I'm most accustomed to. I'm vaping my strawberries and cream in my kayfun again, to test it once more for the gunking, and yep it's still doing it; I've been having to rewick/dry-burn twice a day for this stuff, and it's worth it because it's so tasty, but such a huge PITA in a kayfun, having to drain the tank -- it'll be much easier to deal with it, in an RDA. The Inawera Shisha Strawberry tastes FANTASTIC, but they ain't kidding about organic flavors causing a lot of gunking. Andria

Andria , there are options to be had other than RDA's although I think every vaper needs an RDA to sample flavors with . You might wanna checkout the Rose V2 , it's a single coil atty that doesn't need to be drained to be rebuilt or rewicked , it's superior to the kayfun as far as flavor but it's a harder build , another RTA would be the Aqua V2 in single coil mode , also excellent flavor and it also doesn't need to be drained . The Rose V2 with a vertical coil can be rewicked as fast or faster than a kayfun without the need to drain . There is a learning curve same as any other atty though .

 

[AndriaD]

Andria , there are options to be had other than RDA's although I think every vaper needs an RDA to sample flavors with . You might wanna checkout the Rose V2 , it's a single coil atty that doesn't need to be drained to be rebuilt or rewicked , it's superior to the kayfun as far as flavor but it's a harder build , another RTA would be the Aqua V2 in single coil mode , also excellent flavor and it also doesn't need to be drained . The Rose V2 with a vertical coil can be rewicked as fast or faster than a kayfun without the need to drain . There is a learning curve same as any other atty though .

The problem is how this juice gunks, and then the dark gunk starts seeping out the bottom of the atomizer chamber till it eventually messes up the whole tankful, if I don't catch it in time -- that's why it needs to be in an RDA; I'm tired of wasting good juice. If I put it in a cartotank, I have to change the carto every other day, so that's wasteful too. It needs the RDA!

Andria

 

[PapawBrett]

A Veritas is awesome in single coil, but installing the coil requires two long leads that have to be positioned just right.

 

[duc916]

I've been having to rewick/dry-burn twice a day for this stuff, and it's worth it because it's so tasty, but such a huge PITA in a kayfun, having to drain the tank -- it'll be much easier to deal with it, in an RDA. The Inawera Shisha Strawberry tastes FANTASTIC, but they ain't kidding about organic flavors causing a lot of gunking.

That's typical of most juices in a Kayfun because the airflow is so bad. When I was using Kayfuns I couldn't get through a tank of Mother's Milk (strawberry cream) without the coil completely gunking up. The same coil specs on the Orchid could get through 4 or 5 tanks of the same juice with less gunk than the kayfun did in one tank. If you really gotta have that mouth to lung type of restricted flow from Kayfun, then the price is gunky coils. Get used to lung-pulls on a better tank system and spend less time rebuilding.

 

[AndriaD]

That's typical of most juices in a Kayfun because the airflow is so bad. When I was using Kayfuns I couldn't get through a tank of Mother's Milk (strawberry cream) without the coil completely gunking up. The same coil specs on the Orchid could get through 4 or 5 tanks of the same juice with less gunk than the kayfun did in one tank. If you really gotta have that mouth to lung type of restricted flow from Kayfun, then the price is gunky coils. Get used to lung-pulls on a better tank system and spend less time rebuilding.

Not true at all, with most other juices I vape in the Kayfun; the airflow is so good I have to keep it almost entirely closed. When I vaped Virginia, I could make a wick last 2 wks; when I went to the blueberry muffin, it went down to changing the wick weekly, and the same seems to be true of the 'Smoky Cappucino' DIY I've started vaping recently; but with this strawberry DIY, made with the "organic" Inawera Shisha Strawberry, it's every day or even twice a day -- it depends ENTIRELY on the juice.

There will be no "lung pulls"; I have asthma, and the only thing I inhale in that way is albuterol!

Andria

 

[duc916]

You must a pretty low volume vaper to not gunk a Kayfun for a whole week. From my perspective and most others, everything I've said is very true.

 

[maxd]

Just for the record: single coil on Plum Veil - just fine

 

[AndriaD]

You must a pretty low volume vaper to not gunk a Kayfun for a whole week. From my perspective and most others, everything I've said is very true.

I dunno, when I was vaping the Virginia, it was only 8-9mg, so I was going thru at least 5-6ml daily -- and with that stuff, it was every TWO weeks. It was only when I went to the sweet stuff that I had to go to weekly.

Andria