Am I the only one who wants vaping to change?
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I think my point still stands. Are juice makers willing to be held to the same standards they use themselves when buying their ingredients?
At this point in vaping history it is up to us, the consumers, to get what we want from the e-liquid venders, else things will definitely go awry. Deal only with AEMSA members and other venders will surely jump on the bandwagon of self-regulation.
I appreciate the link. Sounds like a good idea. I will read up more about it on the website.
Its going to up to the vaping community to make standards, safety and so on
But all being in the infancy stage its going to take a while to get thing going.
We have the AEMSA which is setting standards for the e-juice
And we have International Electronic Cigarette Manufacturers Association(IECMA)
so they are in place it just takes time.
Besure you have signed the petition and taken the study from Pa.
OP, you said you do not want the government involved but you do want the health department. Who do you think funds the health department? They are government employees.
You also stated you feel better eating somewhere that has passed their inspections. Have you ever worked in a restaurant? I have, and I have seen things in them that I would never trust eating or even feeding to my dog, but hey the health department said it was fine.
I also use to work in the kitchen at a meat processing plant, it was rated as the best in the world at the time I worked there. I wouldn't eat meat for over 3 years after that, and still to this day will not eat meat that came from that plant. They where inspected by the FDA and the health department and always passed.
So you can trust them if you want, but I for one wouldn't trust their findings.
On the other hand, any good juice maker will answer questions (short of giving their recipes) on what they use, where they mix at and anything else you might want to know.
You also stated you feel better eating somewhere that has passed their inspections. Have you ever worked in a restaurant? I have, and I have seen things in them that I would never trust eating or even feeding to my dog, but hey the health department said it was fine.
I also use to work in the kitchen at a meat processing plant, it was rated as the best in the world at the time I worked there. I wouldn't eat meat for over 3 years after that, and still to this day will not eat meat that came from that plant. They where inspected by the FDA and the health department and always passed.
So you can trust them if you want, but I for one wouldn't trust their findings.
On the other hand, any good juice maker will answer questions (short of giving their recipes) on what they use, where they mix at and anything else you might want to know.
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The cool thing about the vaping industry is that it really still is in it's infancy. Sure, they have e-cigs a few years back, but look how far they have gone with it now. You have to take in account all the money that e-cigarettes bring in and how popular it is becoming. The FDA will always .... heads with everyone. There are plenty of companies that are improving their products and are getting bigger and receiving more recognition. I think Mom and Pop Shops are the best. I can see the major pros and cons of a big business taking over the industry..I get that. I think in the next two years, a lot will be changing, improving..and yeah..prices will go up. That's how it is with everything that gets semi-successful. I don't think vaping is going to die out, but that's just me. It may be a fad for awhile, but it's one of those things where it really does improve and help lives.
I guess we shouldn't really say anything yet..just wait and see for the most part.
I know I will be a long term vapor, no matter what.
I guess we shouldn't really say anything yet..just wait and see for the most part.
I know I will be a long term vapor, no matter what.
I apologize for the error.
I read the http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ctive-who-write-what-say-short-guide.htmllink, and it does indicate that the EU has passed a law that may effectively limit the nicotine in available e-liquid products to 4MG or less as soon as this year. Thank you for reminding me it isn't currently in effect (yet). Here is the pertinent passage:
What you are suggesting costs money. The more high profile the vaping practice becomes, the more likely there will be rules, regulations, taxes and significantly increased costs for vapers.
I hear what you are saying, but more of what you want could make vaping cost prohibitive.
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
See here is what is going I think the op aka noob thinks that vapping is somehow supposed be 100% safe healthy ect..... Wrong impressions are very hard to correct. Vapping came on mainstream due to a Chinese pharmacist who wanted to bring a healthier alternative to burning tobacco to the public. Since then others have come on the scene and through innovation,competition and just because we now have a multitude of healthier products available to us to save us from what has been clearly shown to be a dangerous habit smoking. You can buy juice that you don't have to steep and you can buy juice that does. You can buy a provari,gg,Zen hybrid or a cheaper massed produced copy of one. Point is you have choices if you get what your asking for those choices go away and we end up with what we have now with our FDA. A long list of drugs that were approved even tested by your trusted scientists in their sterile lab that have since been removed from the market because they were killing people or worse. I make my own juice and I know exactly what goes in it. I also buy juice from vendors who do have clean facilities they make theirs in. Be careful what you wish for you may not like what you get. On the other hand and I'm not trying to be mean if you are so afraid of certain aspects of vapping you can always go back to tobacco. Fifty years ago those scientists in their sterile labs and doctors even told all of us that smoking was perfectly healthy even good for you. I hope you change your mind and find what works for you best. Most of what you get are opinions and what has worked for other people. If you like prefilled carts then keep on vapping those its what works for you see? I think you might need to take a step back from reasearch you seem to be suffering from what I did at first information overload. I have no doubt that more testing and studies will be done in fact some good ones already have perhaps you should look those up and see what they've discovered already. Good luck to you.
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I like the thought of vaping being by vapers for vapers, I like the fact that so much of the experience is left up to the end user. Men in Lab coats unnerve me. Big tobacco has plenty of Scientists to back them up. I don't want to see the grass roots side of vaping go away. And the minute Big Brother gets involved it will. Its those pioneering few, designing mods and delivery devices that keeps me interested. The great verity and personal attention that goes into everything ensures a vast array of devices and flavors. It's choice and control, the very two things I didn't have with cigs. The two things that make vaping so attractive to me. Big Pharma, the FDA, Gov, Big Tobacco has all let us down. I just escaped those chains, I'm in no hurry to put them back on.
I'm not so afraid of some sort of safety regulation on liquid production but as corps get into the game, the one thing that screws everyone is "bottom-linism". They will tweak, add, etc to increase their bottom line. Cigs used to be tobacco and paper but chemicals were added to increase shelf stability, even paper burn, etc and flavor, filters were added to make them "safer" but in the end, it was all done to increase their use, acceptance, and profit margins. The OPs pie in the sky thinking sounds nice, in a perfect world, it would be, but it will NEVER be a perfect world. Vape free, vape strong, vape on!
the only this i want to see change in the industry is the addition of legitmate industry lobbyists. Im no fan of lobbyists but in todays America, they're a necessary evil. big tobacco has lobbyists as does big anti-tobacco(pharma). I feel were the only side to the debate not equally represented yet te indusry holds a significant share of the NRT/Tobacco market, (category depends on who's categorizing ;p)
I like it the way it is now, there is a ton of competition and selection because of it. The prices are also very low because of it. Not sure exactly what the OP wants but it came off like he wants some megacorp to monopolize the market and control what we get.
I feel it's safe as far as the mixing is concerned. I've never heard of anyone getting something like a contaminated mix? I'm not even sure what the fear is. Just the possibility that someone might mix some deadly virus into your juice? Has that even ever happened?
I feel it's safe as far as the mixing is concerned. I've never heard of anyone getting something like a contaminated mix? I'm not even sure what the fear is. Just the possibility that someone might mix some deadly virus into your juice? Has that even ever happened?
For many years members of the general population have lamented, "Government should run more like a business." I'm here to tell you that governments on the local ,State and Federal level have heard and responded. They have taken many steps to build their 'business' into empires. Problem is they don't run it like a business from the fiscal side, just the building side. When they need more $$$ to expand (hire, acquire real estate, purchase the best equipment available, etc) they simply add a tax or a fee or a surcharge to fund their empire.
The same with regulations over business and industry. The 'government' doesn't pay for that, YOU do and more often than not two or three times by the time you actually purchase and lay your hands on the end product. Government oversight, no thank you.
The same with regulations over business and industry. The 'government' doesn't pay for that, YOU do and more often than not two or three times by the time you actually purchase and lay your hands on the end product. Government oversight, no thank you.
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