American Legacy--Webcast is now up and Available
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So the takeaway message is "just keep smoking." Unless some huge whoppers have been told to us about the dangers of cigarette smoking, a product would have to have to be mighty harmful to do as much damange as smoking tobacco. We still have 45 million smokers in this country who have already tried the so-called "effective" treatments and have not been able to stop smoking. It is estimated that 200,000 of these have managed to transfer over to e-cigarettes and now find tobacco cigarettes distasteful. So the take away message is "We want to ban these because they MIGHT be harmful, and meanwhile you should go back to smoking tobacco cigarettes that we KNOW are harmful."
So the takeaway message is "just keep smoking." Unless some huge whoppers have been told to us about the dangers of cigarette smoking, a product would have to have to be mighty harmful to do as much damange as smoking tobacco. We still have 45 million smokers in this country who have already tried the so-called "effective" treatments and have not been able to stop smoking. It is estimated that 200,000 of these have managed to transfer over to e-cigarettes and now find tobacco cigarettes distasteful. So the take away message is "We want to ban these because they MIGHT be harmful, and meanwhile you should go back to smoking tobacco cigarettes that we KNOW are harmful."
Runyan Ltd LOL Runyan... that's funny.
This is sad: "The take away message from the panel is that currently it is impossible for a consumer to make an informed decision about ENDS and that the product should be banned until safety and efficacy studies are properly conducted."
From AL's website: http://www.americanlegacy.org/PDFPublications/ElectronicCigarette_FactSheet.pdf
Very good comment Vocalek!
This is sad: "The take away message from the panel is that currently it is impossible for a consumer to make an informed decision about ENDS and that the product should be banned until safety and efficacy studies are properly conducted."
From AL's website: http://www.americanlegacy.org/PDFPublications/ElectronicCigarette_FactSheet.pdf
Very good comment Vocalek!
You can send them an email through the Contact Us link - please do so and provide them with the correct information, since they believe no studies have been conducted, and are following with the un-scientific studies conducted by the FDA.
This group was founded as part of the Master Settlement Agreement (MSA) between the tobacco companies and the various state Attorneys General. In other words, they rely upon money from tobacco sales (as do the states, who are counting on billions of dollars annually from tobacco companies as part of the same MSA...money that will be reduced if sales are reduced, as per that agreement). Just as with ASH and other anti-smoker groups, the e cigarette threatens their funding by the tobacco companies and Big Pharma. They will attempt to destroy anything which threatens that income because without tobacco-related money, they will cease to exist.
Had to comment:
I find it extremely interesting that there was a report done in response to the "FDA conducted a small pilot program" by Exponent, one of the US's leading research labs, noting the issues with the FDA report.
Just a few snipits:
* The report failed to present standard protocols for proper study design with regards to the testing of the referenced control device, documenting the number of samples tested either within or across tests, or presenting statistical analyses when quantifiable results were obtained.
* All of the tobacco-associated impurities found in the NJOY products were “present but at less than the level of the Nicotrol® inhaler [manufacturer] specification” according to the FDA report.
* The report does not reflect the actual dose of nicotine delivered to the user from the “control” Nicotrol® inhaler device when used as recommended by the manufacturer (6–16 cartridges/day or 24–64 mg of nicotine, 50 mcg/100 mL puff).
Why is THIS report being ignored?
EDIT: Whoever Dumbfounded is - You are brilliant! What a great way to spin the word ENDS... It's so true! Smart you are! (yoda smilie would go here)
I find it extremely interesting that there was a report done in response to the "FDA conducted a small pilot program" by Exponent, one of the US's leading research labs, noting the issues with the FDA report.
Just a few snipits:
* The report failed to present standard protocols for proper study design with regards to the testing of the referenced control device, documenting the number of samples tested either within or across tests, or presenting statistical analyses when quantifiable results were obtained.
* All of the tobacco-associated impurities found in the NJOY products were “present but at less than the level of the Nicotrol® inhaler [manufacturer] specification” according to the FDA report.
* The report does not reflect the actual dose of nicotine delivered to the user from the “control” Nicotrol® inhaler device when used as recommended by the manufacturer (6–16 cartridges/day or 24–64 mg of nicotine, 50 mcg/100 mL puff).
Why is THIS report being ignored?
EDIT: Whoever Dumbfounded is - You are brilliant! What a great way to spin the word ENDS... It's so true! Smart you are! (yoda smilie would go here)
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I had to put my 2 cents wortj in as well regarding my own personal pet peeve regarding flavorings for tobacco and e-cigs. I'm 38 years old and using chocolate mint, strawberry and vanilla ice cream flavored e-juice. I also like the fruit flavored cigarillos. Just because it has a good flavor does NOT mean it is being marketed to kids.
I just love these people saying PG hasn't been studied. The fact that we can point folks at many studies done for 60 years just puts everything else these reporters write suspect.
The American Legacy Foundation hosted a panel discussion on e-cigarettes (September 16, 2009).
The 2 hour video of this event has now been made public on ALFs e-cig page.
For direct link to the webcast and powerpoint presentation: click here
The discussion features some highly influential people of the US tobacco control community. ENDS
The 2 hour video of this event has now been made public on ALFs e-cig page.
For direct link to the webcast and powerpoint presentation: click here
The discussion features some highly influential people of the US tobacco control community. ENDS
Highly recommended video, gain insight into the opposition to e-cigs.
Henningfield is one of the 13 WHO TobReg group members. Draft of their recommondations regarding e-cigs can also be found here.
ENDS - framing discussions based on which conclusion to draw.
Henningfield is one of the 13 WHO TobReg group members. Draft of their recommondations regarding e-cigs can also be found here.
ENDS - framing discussions based on which conclusion to draw.
Tom, thankyou for the update.
I just sat and watched all of that and it was very interesting and lots of information and everyone should go and watch it.
I found they weren't really against it.......they want it testing.
I just sat and watched all of that and it was very interesting and lots of information and everyone should go and watch it.
I found they weren't really against it.......they want it testing.
So, look very carefully at this part of the statement: 1 gram of liquid nicotine, of which a teaspoon would kill a child. So, that makes NO sense to a person buying a 30ml bottle of e-liquid, of which nicotine is in "MG per ML." measure. But to an un-enlightened reader, this means that with the amount of liquid nicotine in a shot glass would kill many children if they would stand in line long enough waiting for their dose. This is part of the scare tactics being used and abused all over the spectrum of anti-smoking organizations.
By the way, a teaspoon of free-base nicotine, which is what they describe with that language, would kill a full grown person, as well. Maybe a couple. They also could use a good spell-checker. gycol taper legal
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Kate51 - Another thing I found today in a study by the EPA (Yes... the very Environmental Protection Agency) is that Propylene Glycol is considered tasteless and odorless... not sweet. So for them to say that PG is sweet and would be something children would like... is a blatant lie.
Argh. I can't believe this. Seriously, they should have to begin backing up their claims, just as they expect us too.
Argh. I can't believe this. Seriously, they should have to begin backing up their claims, just as they expect us too.
EXACTLY!! I saw that too! That's why I said "Nicotine poisoning w/ child = 1 tsp is for PURE nicotine, not mixed with PG." in my comments!
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