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Would American manufacturing help with the FDA woes? It seems that everything is made in China with the exception of a couple of brands of juice, and I have to wonder if that's not hurting the PVs' reputation as well. After recent lead-issues out of China, people are concerned about what's in their kids' toys, let alone what they're inhaling.

I'm sure there are cost implications for producing juice/carts/batteries in the states, but that also allows for FDA inspection (to help them sleep better) and a great "made in the USA" sticker!

I'm throwing spaghetti at the wall here, don't mind me...
 
What the FDA need to do is not evaluate the safety of e-cigs.
They need to evaluate its safety directly compared to that of analogs.

"Risk vs benefit" = basic medical teaching.

Anything else is pretty much either knee-jerk response or calculated politics +business.

If getting ecigs manufactured in the US makes them kosher all of a sudden then go for it I say.
 

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Prohibition didn't work out so well nearly 100 years ago. Why bother with it now? I really hope my fellow Americans will stand up for their rights and freedoms. It appears to me that we are being slowly led into a socialist trap.

Agreed. That said, I say we congregate in Chicago, set up our mission control at Steve's house, and declare the city Vaperston and claim it as our own. Power to the vapers!:evil:

Now...does anyone have a flag?
 

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Agreed. That said, I say we congregate in Chicago, set up our mission control at Steve's house, and declare the city Vaperston and claim it as our own. Power to the vapers!:evil:

Now...does anyone have a flag?


WHOO HOOO! I am so there!

Oh Wait! Doesn't it snow in Chicago? Is there a beach nearby? Perhaps we need to relocate to someplace warm! I vote for Hawaii!
 

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I dont even know what to think about the FDA, there are tooons of dangerous stuff that the FDA hasnt approved of, yet there are kiosks, and even shops at the mall and i am quite sure infomercials loading this stuff on to americans. The world sees us as fat and greedy and i almost give that credit directly to the FDA. I had these impressions even b4 i started vaping. The ex big dog with the fda has come out and shared lots of truths to whats really going on up there, and it doesnt sound like hes got anything good to say about it. These are just my impressions as an american who might not have all the facts, but i feel i got a very good idea.
 

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I dont even know what to think about the FDA, there are tooons of dangerous stuff that the FDA hasnt approved of, yet there are kiosks, and even shops at the mall and i am quite sure infomercials loading this stuff on to americans. The world sees us as fat and greedy and i almost give that credit directly to the FDA. I had these impressions even b4 i started vaping. The ex big dog with the fda has come out and shared lots of truths to whats really going on up there, and it doesnt sound like hes got anything good to say about it. These are just my impressions as an american who might not have all the facts, but i feel i got a very good idea.

The only problem is that e-cigs are a huge threat to 2 very large money makers. Of course we all know about the threat to big tobacco companies. The other one is why Ash is pushing the FDA so hard to nip e-cigs in the bud. Ya see, Ash is hugely funded by big pharmaceutical companies that make smoking cessation products that we all know don't work. E-cigs are a huge threat to Ash's wallet and they are very determined to see the free sale, of the device that is saving us all, be brought to an end.
 

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Unfortunately, if you follow the money trail, the FDA, Big Tobacco, and Big Pharma are all in business together. After doing extensive research, I found this information to be interesting:

1) 20% of US deaths are related to smoking
2) 20% of the US economy is in Health care!
3) 7-15% of people who try Pharm cessation devices are successful
4) Texas alone in 2007 took in $1.2 Billion from tobacco taxes.

Here's my conclusion (feel free to add your own): If people actually quit smoking, they will get healthy. This will hurt the health care economy. If people quit smoking using the e-cig, it will hurt tobacco taxes/health care and big pharma.

Unfortunately, the United States of America is a bottom line business, and PV's cut into the bottom line across three sectors (pharma, healthcare, tobacco taxes). Johnson and Johnson, maker of patch, gum, inhaler (I believe), rakes in huge profits while smokers become ex-smokers (for a short time) then bounce back to smoking to feed the tobacco taxes and health care system (20% of all deaths).

This is a multi-trillion dollar enterprise. No matter where the carts were made, or what was in the carts, the FDA would have found SOMETHING wrong with them (ex.. drug delivery device, etc..) People have to smoke, and people have to get sick from smoking. No matter what. From a human welfare perspective, it's sick and twisted. From a business perspective, it's necessary.

Once people do their own research, I'd love to hear alternative explanations.
 

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Not to mention the tax revenues that the State receives from each pack of cigarettes! This came right from the State of California Website:

The cost of the cigarette tax stamp includes both the cigarette tax and the surtaxes. Currently,each cigarette tax stamp costs 87 cents per pack of 20 cigarettes: 12 cents for the cigarette tax and 75 cents for the combined surtaxes. Distributors are allowed a discount of 0.85 percent for each stamp to help offset their costs for affixing stamps.
Tobacco products. The surtax rate is determined annually by the Board of Equalization (BOE) and is equivalent to the combined rate of tax applied to cigarettes (sections 30126 and 30131.5 of the Revenue and Taxation Code). Effective July 1, 2009, through June 30, 2010, the rate is 41.11 percent of the wholesale cost.
How are the revenues used?
Ten cents of the cigarette tax is deposited into the state’s General Fund and two cents per package goes into the Breast Cancer Research Fund.
Twenty-five cents (Proposition 99, November 1988) of the cigarette and tobacco products surtax is used for the following purposes:
• Tobacco-related health education programs and disease research.
• Medical and hospital care and treatment of patients who cannot afford those services, and for whom payment will not be made by any private coverage or federal program.
• Programs for fire prevention; environmental conservation; protection, restoration, enhancement, and maintenance of fish, waterfowl, and wildlife habitat areas; and enhancement of state and local parks and recreation.
Fifty-cents (Proposition 10, November 1998) of the cigarette and tobacco products surtax is used for programs that encourage proper childhood development, including the development of professional and parental education and training, informed selection of childcare, development and education of childcare providers, and research into the best practices and standards for all programs and services relating to early childhood development.

Now, while I feel that many of these things are good in and of themselves, some of them are just a little ridiculous. I mean really - is it the smokers of California's responsiblity to provide childcare related services? When my kids were young - I was the one who paid for childcare, not the smokers of the State. Since when did that become OUR burden? And while I personally contribute to several Breast Cancer Societies, since when do they need to force a contribution because I smoke?

And and maintenance of fish, waterfowl, and wildlife habitat areas? Enhancement of state and local parks and recreation. Next time I get charged for entering a state park, I will just flash a pack of cigarettes and tell them I contribute at the Smoke Shop!

And as far as smoking education and caring for the sick who do not have money for care, that is great - but shouldn't the companies who cause it pay for it rather then the very people they are making sick? Sheesh!

How did these things become OUR responsibiity? But you can bet that now that it is in place, the states do not want to lose these new sources of revenue and that will have a big influence on how the FDA decides on ecigs!

So glad I am done with that - aside from being very bad for my health, they have also become a kind of mini welfare system in which we are the only contributors!

So again, thank you Steve for finding and selling a product that I know will keep me away from cigs!

*steps down off her soapbox and grabs her VaporKing for a calming puff* ;)
 

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All I can add for now is it is truely amazing what the FDA DOES approve. Take a look at Chantix for example, and look at all of the side effects. There is plenty of info about it making people sick right here in this forum. Big pharma, tobacco companies, and groups like ASH are all tucked in bed together with the FDA. While it is "business as usual" it is downright sickening and disgusting.

The latest disturbing news is our govt. wants to tax soda because it contributes to youths obesity, and they think by taxing it it will help to curb obesity...lol. Unbelievable. But people are starting to wake up and smell the roses unlike ever before and are becoming better educated as the result of our economy being in a shamble. People are starting to pay attention and don't like what's happening to our country.
 
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