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  1. Storyspinr

    Storyspinr Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 24, 2009
    Virginia
    Good luck with the speech, $hua. Let us know how it goes. There is nothing more fun than messing with people's minds. Siegel has another blog today on the ALA and it's assault on the e cig. In his last paragraph he mentions the Big Pharma funding...I'd say the ALA has l.5 million reasons to destroy the e cig.

    When I get time, I'll see if I can find any listing of Johnson and Johnson donations to these groups; I've searched before, without much luck. The Robert Woods Johnson Foundation, funded by stock in J&J, has long been supporting smoking bans and I'd be willing to bet they're helping push for a ban on e cigs.
     
  2. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Apr 7, 2009
    Springfield, VA
    The annoying thing about ALA is that if you ever email them, they put you on their hit list for donations. I got an email from them for Mother's Day:

    This was my response:

    Apparently, <YourFriends@lungusa.org> didn't know what to do with this, so they sent it on to their "info" group. I got this back (any of this sound familiar?)

    I think I may have used too many words in my response back.

     
  3. (So) Jersey Girl

    (So) Jersey Girl Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 28, 2010
    South Jersey
    Brilliant. I hope you don't mind if I steal your response if and when I ever get a response to the email I sent them on 4/26.
     
  4. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Apr 7, 2009
    Springfield, VA
    Steal away. Let's have some fun and start sending them canned messages back.
     
  5. (So) Jersey Girl

    (So) Jersey Girl Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 28, 2010
    South Jersey
    I would but they haven't sent me any canned messages to respond to yet! And I'm not surprised they sent you a solicitation. If you look at my response to Trailblazer, I actually predicted this would happen.
     
  6. autumnbreeze

    autumnbreeze Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 24, 2010
    Northern Virginia
    Great job, Elaine! I got the same response from the "info" people at the ALA, too. So as I mentioned in my OP, I emailed Erika Sward with no response from her yet. So, I emailed her again today. Here's what I wrote (it's kinda long):

     
  7. autumnbreeze

    autumnbreeze Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 24, 2010
    Northern Virginia
    That's weird. Why did my National Vapers Club link turn out all funny?
     
  8. $hua

    $hua Super Member ECF Veteran

    Ok so I just finished writing my speech for tomorrow night... i thought i would take a moment and post it here to get some feed back from everyone... please keep in mind that this is a first draft. please if you are going to be critical, use positive critisism (aka constructive critisism)... i will be delievering this speech tomorrow night in augusta Ga... i know its going to be recorded by the instructor.. ill see if he will give me a copy to post on youtube.

    moral.. please be kind, its taking some courage to share this content with you..

    Also the bit at the end of the speech is just an outtro... i wont really have a booth set up in the lobby.... i mean really.



    Blueprint: April 29th 2010 New York state legislation passed a bill to ban the sale and distribution of a device known as an electronic cigarette.
    FIRST I’m going to discuss what an electronic cigarette is and how it works, SECOND I’m going to address who is behind the ban and the reasons for the ban, and LAST im going to discuss the potential impact to both smokers and non smokers.

    First, an electronic cigarette , also known as a “e-cigarette” , some people refer to it as a electronic nicotine inhaler is a device that is used as a substitution to a traditional cigarette. It is important for me to point out that it is marketed as a substitute to the cigarette and not a smoking cessation device like the patch or gum. The electronic cigarette delivers nicotine to the user by vaporizing a nicotine based solution. It works by using a rechargeable battery to heat an atomizer; this atomizer contains a coil that heats up enough to turn a liquid to a vapor. The user inhales this vapor, which contains the nicotine solution and in many cases it satisfies the desire to smoke a cigarette. I could spend several hours talking about the anatomy of these devices and their uses but let’s move on to why New York is banning this device…


    Almost two weeks ago, New York state legislation spear headed by Senator Jeffrey Klein passed a bill into law that bans the sales and distribution of the electronic cigarette. Senator Klein’s reasons for the ban are largely based on a press release by the FDA . The FDA’s press release from test it conducted was released in July 2009. The FDA’s test included 26 electronic devices, of the 26, 1 device was found to have a carcinogenic chemical known as diethylene glycol.. a chemical found in anti freeze. Now I think its important to point out that diethylene glycol is found in several FDA approved nicotine cessation devices such as the patch and an inhaler made by the pharmaceutical company Pfizer. (more on Pfizer in a moment) it is also found in traditional cigarettes only at 5,000 times the amount found in the 1 out of 26 electronic devices that the FDA tested. The FDA as well as the American Lung Association are also concerned about the potential risk of marketing to minors as well as the concern that the electronic cigarette is misrepresented as a stop smoking device. These are the primary reasons that New York legislation has chosen to ban the electronic cigarette. Aside from Senator Kleins stated reasons, I also think its fair to inform you that Pfizer a leading producer of smoking cessation devices such as a nicotine therapy patch and a pill called wellbutrin, listed on a 2009 political contributions report as having contributed money to many of New York State representatives, and on page 27 of this .pdf report the name Jefferry Klein and a dollar amount can be found, in addition to this report on a 4th quarter 2009 Medical organization contribution report, the American Lung Association can be found listed as a recipient of grants in various amounts totally nearly 1 million dollars. Again both of these reports can be found on Pfizers own website. Is public health the real reason behind this ban, or private interests?


    Last I want to discuss what this means for the people of New York and potentially people worldwide. Most immediately the impact this will have upon the citizens of New York is most evident with a simple search of an internet forum know as e-cigarette-forum.com, upon browsing this site you find testimonies of those who live in new York and are faced with returning to a smoking cigarettes, a product that is destroying their health, and the health of everyone in the immediate contact with them, not to mention the countless “inconveniences” that accompany cigarette smoking. Like one woman who’s 80 year old mother depends on her to go about daily life, and without the use of an electronic cigarette in place of a traditional cigarette faces impending health issues herself. Or We could take a look at the World Health Organizations web site as see statics regarding the impact of smoking on the world. For example according to the WHO website as of May 2009, worldwide, every 8 seconds someone dies because of cigarette smoking. You will also find that there are more than 4,000 chemicals in a cigarette most of those are carcinogenic, in most cases there are 3-4 ingredients in the liquid solution used by an electronic cigarette. Smoking related diseases cost the US more than 150 million dollars annually, regardless if you are a smoker, or have a family member that is a smoker, regardless if you have a dire concern for your health or the public health , the fact remains that with such high costs related to cancer causing cigarettes everyone is paying a tax for their use. The truth of the matter is that there has not been conclusive testing to determine that the e-cigarette is detrimental to anyone’s health.. however the facts are overwhelming regarding cigarette smoking.


    If any of you have additional questions or comments, we will have a both set up in the lobby with pamphlets and brochures, please feel free to stop by and speak to one of our representatives. Thank you and please drive home safe

    /end wall of text

    you have less than 24hrs to give me thoughts/suggestions/ideas.....

    thank you,
    Joshua

    Edited: Fixed Speech layout to read as paragraphs....
     
  9. autumnbreeze

    autumnbreeze Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 24, 2010
    Northern Virginia
    Sounds great, Joshua! Great job pointing out the connections between the senators and Pfizer.

    The only thing I would change in the first paragraph, instead of wording it First, Second, Last, I'd say something like, "First I’m going to discuss what an electronic cigarette is and how it works, then I’m going to address who is behind the ban and the reasons for the ban, and finally im going to discuss the potential impact to both smokers and non smokers." I know it's just semantics, but the first, second, last just didn't sound right to me.

    Also when you say, "It is important for me to point out that it is marketed as a substitute to the cigarette and not a smoking cessation device like the patch or gum." You might want to state WHY it's important for you to point this out.

    There's so much to say in such a short amount of time so I'm not sure if you're able to throw in why they feel it's being marketed to minors (candy/fruit flavored juices) and then say something like, "How many of you in here still like chocolate or fruit?" (way back when I took public speaking in college I remember being taught that asking questions was a great way to engage the crowd.) That might show them how ridiculous the marketed to minors claim is.

    And maybe you could say to hit it home, "The truth of the matter is that there has not been conclusive testing to determine that the e-cigarette is detrimental to anyone’s health. In the 5 years that ecigs have been in use there is not a single reported case of a serious illness or death caused by ecigs. The same cannot be said for traditional cigarettes." or something along those lines.

    This is awesome and I really look forward to seeing a youtube video if one becomes available! Good luck. Don't be nervous! This is a product you believe in so it makes it easier to know you're not talking a bunch of bs.
     
  10. yvilla

    yvilla Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 18, 2008
    Rochester, NY
    Joshua, you really need to make some minor, but still very important changes to your presentation. The NYS Assembly passed its version of the bill to ban the sale of ecigs - A9529 - on April 21. But, the identical Senate version of the bill - S7234 - has not been voted on yet.

    The Assembly sponsor of the bill is Linda Rosenthal. The Senate sponsor of the bill is Jeffrey Klein.

    We are still fighting mightily against the passage of this bill into law. We are working hard on NYS Senators. And it will not be law unless and until both houses pass it, and even then, the Governor could stop it with a veto, if he were so inclined. So please don't present it as a done deal yet!
     
  11. $hua

    $hua Super Member ECF Veteran

    yvilla....

    My apologizes... i will make these corrections to my speech to be both valid and accurate. last thing i want to do is misrepresent my self or my causes.. im still relatively new to all of this ( about 9 days vaping now) and to be honest ive been on the verge of information overload, and my funds are certainly exhausted...

    **autumnbreeze

    I will have 4-6min to deliver this speech... 2 rounds of recording the delivery both coming in about 5min each.. i think i can find a way to work a sentence in to pose a question in regards to the fda and ala concerns with the flavored juices being marketed towards minors.

    thank you for the input folks...
     
  12. CES

    CES optimistic cynic Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Jan 25, 2010
    Birmingham, Al
    Good luck $hua! I hope the speech goes well- thanks for choosing e-cigs as your topic. Post a link to the utube video here when you're done.
     
  13. $hua

    $hua Super Member ECF Veteran

    Ok here are the edits: speech adjusted to reflect accurate information and more clarified reasoning....
    These are edited snippets to reflect your input... the rest of the speech in on a diffrent page... page 5 i think it is...


    Blueprint: April 29th 2010 New York state legislation proposed a bill to ban the sale and distribution of a device known as an electronic cigarette.
    FIRST I’m going to discuss what an electronic cigarette is and how it works, then I’m going to address who is behind the ban and the reasons for the ban, and finally im going to discuss the potential impact to both smokers and non smokers.

    ......It is important for me to point out that it is marketed as a substitute to the cigarette and not a smoking cessation device like the patch or gum, the users of this device acknowledge that it is used in lieu of a traditional cigarette and not as a means to prevent or terminate the use of nicotine.

    ....Almost two weeks ago, New York state legislation spear headed by Senator Jeffrey Klein proposed a bill that would ban the sale and distribution of the electronic cigarette. Senator Klein’s reasons for the ban are largely based on a press release by the FDA . ...

    ..... The FDA as well as the American Lung Association are concerned about the potential risk of marketing to minors, they claim that the flavored nicotine solutions such as “cherry” “chocolate” or “banana” are too easily marketed to children as well as the concern that the electronic cigarette is misrepresented as a stop smoking device. Ladies and Gentlemen I ask you, how likely are you to start smoking because your cigarette now taste like thin mint cookies?

    yea i mention thin mint juice.. thanks dawn this stuff is stellar had to point it out in my speech....

    thanks again everyone....
     
  14. Posidon

    Posidon Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 4, 2009
    Found some more fun stuff about the ALA (related to biofuels).



    Exposing the American Lung Association INANE


    The American Lung Association promotes environmentalism over health INANE


    From the second link.

     
  15. mtb

    mtb Full Member

    Feb 8, 2010
    Los Angeles
    I am not sure if this would help or hurt the cause. I stopped smoking cigarettes about 20 years ago. After five years of abstinence, I puffed on pipes and cigars until about three years ago. And...I never inhaled them. really. (I hear your giggles but it's the truth) The only reason I stopped were the nasty effects of burning tobacco. I just didn't want to chance getting some horrid disease.

    After spending as much time as I deemed necessary reading everything I could get my eyes on, (a couple of weeks) I determined there was no evidence that vaping, especially with zero or very low nicotine level liquids, was in any way harmful or even addicting. I approached both of my most trusted physicians.. my internist and cardiologist. They both concurred with me. (Oh was that a happy day) I now happily puff e-pipes and cigars and some e-cigs too, all with zero nic liquids. And it's so much more enjoyable than tobacco, because I can lead a healthy lifestyle and indulge in a very relaxing, satisfying experience. How fantastic!

    I'll help support the cause by writing my representatives in Washington and the state capital and the various health organizations. And I'll hope common sense prevails. But I doubt that many of the elected officials will take the time to investigate the facts. There are a lot of dollars potentially at stake. And until the bucks fall into the right pockets, some people are not going to be happy with vaping.
     
  16. $hua

    $hua Super Member ECF Veteran

    When has common sense ever prevailed?
     
  17. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Apr 7, 2009
    Springfield, VA
    Joshua: There are a few inaccuracies in this text

    Problems:
    Cartridges, not devices, were tested
    # of cartridges that were tested
    DEG is not the carcinogen
    DEG is not found in FDA-approved nicotine cessation products (not "devices")

    The Facts:
    • FDA tested 18 cartridges from two companies, Smoking Everywhere and NJOY.
    • These are the same two companies that have sued the FDA. (coincidence?)
    • FDA also tested the nicotine content from an FDA-approved prescription Nicotrol inhaler
    • FDA did NOT do any comparison testing to tobacco cigarettes or the smoke from tobacco cigbarettes.
    • The "carcinigens" referred to in the FDA's press release were Tobacco-Specific Nitrosamines (TSNA's)
    • FDA also found a toxin - Diethylene Glycol (DEG), which in this context would be more accurately described as "a chemical added to tobacco to keep it moist."
    • The toxin Diethylene Glycol is NOT found in FDA-approved nicotine products.
    • The FDA found 1% of DEG in the liquid of one of the 18 cartridges. However, FDA did not find DEG in the vapor.
    • The carcinogenic substances TSNAs are found in FDA-approved nicotine cessation products in very tiny amounts (equal to the amount FDA found in the e-cigarette liquid)
    Dr. Murray Laugesen of Health New Zealand tested one brand and found that the quantity of TSNA in the liquid is equal to the quantity found in the medicinal nicotine patch (8 nanograms). He mentioned that a Marlboro contains 11,180 nanopgrams. http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

    To date, there have been at least 11 other studies conducted on e-cigarette liquid and vapor. The Truth About Ecigs

    None of the tests conducted by other labs have found DEG in either the liquid or the vapor.
     
  18. Vocalek

    Vocalek CASAA Activist ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Apr 7, 2009
    Springfield, VA
    NOTE: When I say "device" I am referring to the entire product assembled: battery attached to atomizer and cartridge attached to atomizer. I don't believe FDA actually tested a device in operation. One of the photos they used in their promo material shows them trying to insert the cartridge end of a fully assembled device into the battery charger.

    If you read the actual lab report, it describes the method they used to extract liquid from the cartridges for testing and the method used to vaporize the liquid from some of the cartridges. They didn't use an e-cig to do their vaporization. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf
     
  19. kristin

    kristin Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 16, 2009
    CASAA - Wisconsin
    Elaine already gave you the info, but I wanted to specifically break it down for you:

    You said:
    The actual facts are:
    Here is the corrected paragraph:
    I would also add:
     
  20. kristin

    kristin Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Aug 16, 2009
    CASAA - Wisconsin
    First, an electronic cigarette , also known as a “e-cigarette” , some people refer to it as a electronic nicotine inhaler is a device that is used as a substitution to a traditional cigarette. It is important for me to point out that it is marketed as a substitute to the cigarette and not a smoking cessation device like the patch or gum. The electronic cigarette delivers nicotine to the user by vaporizing a propylene or vegetable glycol-based nicotine solution. It works by using a rechargeable battery to heat an atomizer; this atomizer contains a coil that heats up enough to turn a liquid to a vapor. The user inhales this vapor, which contains the nicotine solution and in many cases it satisfies the desire to smoke a cigarette. I could spend several hours talking about the anatomy of these devices and their uses but let’s move on to why New York is attempting to ban this device…


    Almost two weeks ago, New York state legislation spear headed by Senator Jeffrey Klein passed a bill into law that bans the sales and distribution of the electronic cigarette. (See Yvilla's comments) Senator Klein’s reasons for the ban are largely based on a July 2009 press release by the FDA . The FDA’s misleading press release from test it warned consumers that preliminary testing revealed toxic chemicals and carcinogens, but did not specify the levels found The FDA’s test included 26 electronic devices, of the 26, 1 device was found to have a carcinogenic chemical known as diethylene glycol.. a chemical found in anti freeze. Now I think its important to point out that diethylene glycol is found in several FDA approved nicotine cessation devices such as the patch and an inhaler made by the pharmaceutical company Pfizer. (more on Pfizer in a moment) it is also found in traditional cigarettes only at 5,000 times the amount found in the 1 out of 26 electronic devices that the FDA tested. (See previous post) The FDA ,as well as the American Lung Association, are also concerned about the potential risk of marketing to minors as well as the concern that the electronic cigarette is misrepresented as a stop smoking device. However, as I mentioned before, electronic cigarettes are largely marketed as smoking alternatives. Additionally, surveys of electronic cigarette users show that 77.7% of users are former smokers over the age of 30 and not minors.

    These are the primary reasons that New York legislation has chosen to ban the electronic cigarette. Aside from Senator Kleins stated reasons, I also think its fair to inform you that Pfizer a leading producer of smoking cessation devices such as a nicotine therapy patch and a pill called wellbutrin, listed on a 2009 political contributions report as having contributed money to many of New York State representatives, and on page 27 of this .pdf report the name Jefferry Klein and a dollar amount can be found, in addition to this report on a 4th quarter 2009 Medical organization contribution report, the American Lung Association can be found listed as a recipient of grants in various amounts totally nearly 1 million dollars. Again both of these reports can be found on Pfizers own website. Is public health the real reason behind this ban, or private interests?


    Last I want to discuss what this means for the people of New York and potentially people worldwide. Most immediately the impact this will have upon the citizens of New York is most evident with a simple search of an internet forum know as e-cigarette-forum.com, upon browsing this site you find testimonies of those who live in new York and are faced with returning to a smoking cigarettes, a product that is destroying their health, and the health of everyone in the immediate contact with them, not to mention the countless “inconveniences” that accompany cigarette smoking. Like one woman who’s 80 year old mother depends on her to go about daily life, and without the use of an electronic cigarette in place of a traditional cigarette faces impending health issues herself. Or We could take a look at the World Health Organizations web site as see statics regarding the impact of smoking on the world. For example according to the WHO website as of May 2009, worldwide, every 8 seconds someone dies because of cigarette smoking. You will also find that there are more than 4,000 chemicals in a cigarette most of those are carcinogenic, in most cases there are 3-4 ingredients in the liquid solution used by an electronic cigarette. Smoking related diseases cost the US more than 150 million dollars annually, regardless if you are a smoker, or have a family member that is a smoker, regardless if you have a dire concern for your health or the public health , the fact remains that with such high costs related to cancer causing cigarettes everyone is paying a tax for their use. The truth of the matter is that there has not been conclusive testing to determine that the e-cigarette is detrimental to anyone’s health, however in the 5 years that they have been on the world market there have been no reports of illness or injury due to electronic cigarette use. But the facts are overwhelming regarding traditional cigarette smoking.


    If any of you have additional questions or comments, we will have a both set up in the lobby with pamphlets and brochures, please feel free to stop by and speak to one of our representatives. Thank you and please drive home safe
     
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