American Spirit Cigarettes better than E-Cigs???
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I smoked American Spirit Menthols for 10 years. I still coughed and wheezed like an asthmatic. I DID have less phlegm than when I smoked Salems, but I actually coughed MORE from American Spirits.
Thinking American Spirit cigs are safer for you than regular cigs is like being in line at a public mass beheading and when it comes to your turn in the guillotine, insisting they change the blade to a fresh one so you don't contract any blood borne diseases...
Dickie
Thinking American Spirit cigs are safer for you than regular cigs is like being in line at a public mass beheading and when it comes to your turn in the guillotine, insisting they change the blade to a fresh one so you don't contract any blood borne diseases...
Dickie
David Sweanor (has worked with numerous companies and organisations, including the International Union Against Cancer, World Health Organization, World Bank and the Pan American Health Organization, on the issue of tobacco harm reduction. He has received both international recognition and prestigious prizes for his work) :
"In comparison with smoking, experts perceive at least a 90 percent reduction in the relative risk" of low-nitrosamine smokeless-tobacco use. This makes sense, since it is the 4,000 ingredients in the smoke that make a cigarette so lethal. Or, as the tobacco-policy expert David Sweanor, who teaches law and medicine at the University of Ottawa, puts it, "It's the smoke, stupid." http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/18/magazine/18tobacco.html?pagewanted=9&fta=y
"If there is anyone who believes cigarettes are no more hazardous than e-cigarettes Id recommend a remedial course in basic sciences."
E Cigarette Interview with David Sweanor - Part 2
"In comparison with smoking, experts perceive at least a 90 percent reduction in the relative risk" of low-nitrosamine smokeless-tobacco use. This makes sense, since it is the 4,000 ingredients in the smoke that make a cigarette so lethal. Or, as the tobacco-policy expert David Sweanor, who teaches law and medicine at the University of Ottawa, puts it, "It's the smoke, stupid." http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/18/magazine/18tobacco.html?pagewanted=9&fta=y
"If there is anyone who believes cigarettes are no more hazardous than e-cigarettes Id recommend a remedial course in basic sciences."
E Cigarette Interview with David Sweanor - Part 2
With 'know-it-alls' it will always be a no win situation. Be polite, thank them for their concern, state your preference, and limit your conversation with them to as little as possible. This will drive them nuts!
Whatever they say, just respond with a "Really(?!), thank you for your concern. I appreciate that." Then turn a go into another room. If you can stand firm with this limited exchange they will excalate making them look even crazier to everyone else and you will look like the saint.
I've used this for years and love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whatever they say, just respond with a "Really(?!), thank you for your concern. I appreciate that." Then turn a go into another room. If you can stand firm with this limited exchange they will excalate making them look even crazier to everyone else and you will look like the saint.
I've used this for years and love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wendy,
I feel for you having a sister-in-law like her who doesn't want to listen to anything. It is all so elementary. Anyway, I like SheerLuck's approach to people like her. Dont waste your time and energy. 8-o
On a side note - It was my Brother who introduced me to ecigs. He bought one (on impulse) in the Mall from SE. Once home, he got online and found better places to buy. FYI my Brother is a vaper, a member of this forum, and is a Pharmacist. He has worked in various areas of his field, in capacities ranging from Staff Pharmacist to Director. He has worked in retail, in Hospitals, and Home Infusion services. His endorsement is all I need. He knows firsthand about PG, VG, and Glycerin. He knows about their properties and what happens to the under heat.
I don't need anything more than that.
I hope your day goes well!
I feel for you having a sister-in-law like her who doesn't want to listen to anything. It is all so elementary. Anyway, I like SheerLuck's approach to people like her. Dont waste your time and energy. 8-o
On a side note - It was my Brother who introduced me to ecigs. He bought one (on impulse) in the Mall from SE. Once home, he got online and found better places to buy. FYI my Brother is a vaper, a member of this forum, and is a Pharmacist. He has worked in various areas of his field, in capacities ranging from Staff Pharmacist to Director. He has worked in retail, in Hospitals, and Home Infusion services. His endorsement is all I need. He knows firsthand about PG, VG, and Glycerin. He knows about their properties and what happens to the under heat.
I don't need anything more than that.
I hope your day goes well!
Wendy --
This thread was really interesting to me because I have smoked American Spirits for the same reasons everyone else started smoking them -- thinking that they contain less harmful "stuff." Until I read this thread I didn't realize how disingenuous the A.S. marketing campaign is...FROWN
I can certainly sympathize about having to deal with irritating know-it-alls. People like that cling to their inaccuracies for dear life. The closer they are to realizing they're being proven wrong, the more face they must save, and the harder they cling. It's often a losing battle. Better, perhaps, you should try persuading your brother instead (and maybe in some place where his wife isn't available to interrupt and side-track the discussion!).
Two thumbs up to another participant's suggestion about providing your brother with a filter that can demonstrate -- graphically -- part of what's coming out of that smoke. I was once flamed a bit here for supposedly "spamming" the forum with info about a particular filter, but I'm going to post about it again -- with a disclaimer that I have NO connection to the company in question except as a user of their product (and no interest in promoting smoking or tobacco products!). The product is called "TarGard" and is available both from on-line vendors and the manufacturer's own web site. I won't post the link (in case that is against the rules here) but a Google search for targard will turn up the site quickly. (There are other such products that can be found at smoke shops. I tried several; I ended up preferring the targard.)
I'd strongly recommend getting the clear disposable filters rather than the opaque white ones. After only one cigarette has been filtered with that thing, your brother will see how much tar or other brown gunk was trapped within it. I'd begun wanting to quit tobacco and really wanted to quit after being shocked big-time, seeing those little "ribbons" of tar trapped in the filter. At about that time I learned about e-cigarettes -- fortunate timing...
Once your brother understands how much gunk is going into his lungs with each regular cigarette, methinks he's going to have to get a bit tough with his wife. Whether or not future research finds something not entirely healthy in e-cig vapor given current e-liquid formulations, still there's no way they could be more harmful than cigarette smoke! (As with another participant here: I don't order my wife around and would be big-time ticked off if she tried to do that to me!)
Mike
This thread was really interesting to me because I have smoked American Spirits for the same reasons everyone else started smoking them -- thinking that they contain less harmful "stuff." Until I read this thread I didn't realize how disingenuous the A.S. marketing campaign is...FROWN
I can certainly sympathize about having to deal with irritating know-it-alls. People like that cling to their inaccuracies for dear life. The closer they are to realizing they're being proven wrong, the more face they must save, and the harder they cling. It's often a losing battle. Better, perhaps, you should try persuading your brother instead (and maybe in some place where his wife isn't available to interrupt and side-track the discussion!).
Two thumbs up to another participant's suggestion about providing your brother with a filter that can demonstrate -- graphically -- part of what's coming out of that smoke. I was once flamed a bit here for supposedly "spamming" the forum with info about a particular filter, but I'm going to post about it again -- with a disclaimer that I have NO connection to the company in question except as a user of their product (and no interest in promoting smoking or tobacco products!). The product is called "TarGard" and is available both from on-line vendors and the manufacturer's own web site. I won't post the link (in case that is against the rules here) but a Google search for targard will turn up the site quickly. (There are other such products that can be found at smoke shops. I tried several; I ended up preferring the targard.)
I'd strongly recommend getting the clear disposable filters rather than the opaque white ones. After only one cigarette has been filtered with that thing, your brother will see how much tar or other brown gunk was trapped within it. I'd begun wanting to quit tobacco and really wanted to quit after being shocked big-time, seeing those little "ribbons" of tar trapped in the filter. At about that time I learned about e-cigarettes -- fortunate timing...
Once your brother understands how much gunk is going into his lungs with each regular cigarette, methinks he's going to have to get a bit tough with his wife. Whether or not future research finds something not entirely healthy in e-cig vapor given current e-liquid formulations, still there's no way they could be more harmful than cigarette smoke! (As with another participant here: I don't order my wife around and would be big-time ticked off if she tried to do that to me!)
Mike
I had a sister-in-law who was one of those know-it-alls. Luckily for me, she was also dumber than a box of rocks, so I didn't have to strain any brain cells proving her wrong, which I could do on 95% of the topics she spoke about.
Sounds like you may have a tougher cookie on your hands, though. I wish you the best!
Sounds like you may have a tougher cookie on your hands, though. I wish you the best!
Hi all, first post. I did not read all the responses so if I duplicate what has already been said please forgive me.
I smoke American Spirit cigs, have for many years. Yes they have a great clean smoke in comparison to many other analogs, however their claims are misleading, especially the additive/addictive free claims. While they don't add the fillers and junk most the others do, they are actually a more potent tobacco with MORE natural free-base nicotine than a Marlboro red. I read once in a study out of OHSU it's in the neighborhood of 3 times more free-base nicotine in an American Spirit than a Marlboro Red.
As for being better than vaping, carcinogenic smoke produced by a tobacco plant that has numerous "natural" poisons contained in the smoke vs water vapor.
I smoke American Spirit cigs, have for many years. Yes they have a great clean smoke in comparison to many other analogs, however their claims are misleading, especially the additive/addictive free claims. While they don't add the fillers and junk most the others do, they are actually a more potent tobacco with MORE natural free-base nicotine than a Marlboro red. I read once in a study out of OHSU it's in the neighborhood of 3 times more free-base nicotine in an American Spirit than a Marlboro Red.
As for being better than vaping, carcinogenic smoke produced by a tobacco plant that has numerous "natural" poisons contained in the smoke vs water vapor.
I've found it best to let some ignorant people stay ignorant. What i've found is ecigs are not for everyone. I feel like a man given a pardon from prison, not everyone will share my experience. I have given ecigs to everyone i love (just a batt/att/cart) i plant seeds, they grow where they will.
You should really just ignore her, or do what you can to avoid arguing. It's a lot of energy wasted, and just creates bad feelings between the two of you. If you're really interested in getting your brother vaping, talk to him, not to her. He can form his own opinion, and if he really wants to do it, then it'll be his choice and he can discuss it with her. Normally, these family relations can be easier to handle through the third party of the person you're actually related to.. Then you can form a relationship to her without the added stress of constantly having the same argument. Good luck!
Just remembered this test. When you and your bother are alone take a white napkin for this. Have your brother take a hit of his AS cig, inhale and exhale through the napkin, then take a mouth hit, without inhaling and exhale through napkin next to first exhale. Big difference. The reason the first exhale is cleaner is the lungs kept alot of the stuff.
Now your do the same with your ecig. If that doesn't convince him he might as well stick with his wife.
I think a lot of smokers are down on e-cig's or at least cautious because of the fear of losing their crutch. "Oh my God, what if I really like them?" They are just afraid of being without their analogs. I understand that, hell we all have been there. We just took a leap of faith or switched over without really intending to. So, just present your experience to the smokers and let them come around in their own time.
Now your do the same with your ecig. If that doesn't convince him he might as well stick with his wife.
I think a lot of smokers are down on e-cig's or at least cautious because of the fear of losing their crutch. "Oh my God, what if I really like them?" They are just afraid of being without their analogs. I understand that, hell we all have been there. We just took a leap of faith or switched over without really intending to. So, just present your experience to the smokers and let them come around in their own time.
Upon doing research on PG, i found that it is an effective microbial....it was considered in the 40's to be the next big thing to stop airborne illnesses...in fact, their is research to back that very thing. This is nothing new. With the recent swine flu scare, we may actually be doing ourselves good by vaping. It often makes one wonder who truly has your back. For me, a pack and a half a day smoker, I KNOW this is safer. I can't see her argument here at all.
american spirit? is that the teal pack with inidian on it? ive always been a marlboro and camel smoker myself and never really ventured out of those brands so excuse my ignorance. so anyways, american spirit is additive free?
I've never actually smoked a cigarette, but I am responding here only because I have seen the full page ads that American Spirit has in numerous magazines. Even their ad says, albeit in small print of course, that it is NOT a safer cigarette. The only point here is about "natural" organic tobacco. Organic or not, you are getting all the same cancer causing ingredients which is why they had to include this disclaimer.
You should tell her to go back to chemistry 101 even my 9 y/o nephew knows better.
I never smoked american spirits, but sounds like they are a little like being shot with a
.38 instead of with a .45. I can feel for you having to put up with someone like your sister-in-law, but sincere condolances to your brother.
.38 instead of with a .45. I can feel for you having to put up with someone like your sister-in-law, but sincere condolances to your brother.
most important, American Spirits taste terrible, if he wants a no additive cig, tell him to try Nat Shermans... they're so expensive he'll have to quit..
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