You've got it. The 30Q is a 15 amp battery, so at 7 amps with the 0.6 ohm coil you're good. With a 0.25 coil you'd be at 17 amps, so that would be a problem.
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You've got it. The 30Q is a 15 amp battery, so at 7 amps with the 0.6 ohm coil you're good. With a 0.25 coil you'd be at 17 amps, so that would be a problem.
Whatever it takes to quit smoking is worth it! I've had to fiddle around with juices as well to find one that suited me, so I'm glad you found something that works for you. Good luck!
Ok I get it now or at least I think I do! I’ll just have to stick with ordering my coils online then!
You always want to vape under the amp limit of whatever battery you're using. I always use the calculator when using a different coil resistance or a battery with a different amp limit, as the amp draw of a coil or the wattage used by the battery can change.
Explain it to the Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations for a Mechanical Mod
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My shop sells only .4 q2 apparently since I just FB messages them and I checked the calculator and it’s 10.5 amps 44 something watts so I can use those too.. look at me go Bahahha seriously thank you now I have a little more confidence in what I’m doing!
So I was just reading up more on the battery stuff ect, does the fact the Q2 is a “dual” coil make a difference as far as battery is concerned? I don’t understand what that means since it’s very obviously on the outside looking like just a single coil.
Vapers are a little loose on terminology sometimes. I guess one should say that the Q2 is an atomizer. Inside the metal shell is/are little coils of wire either wrapped around or wrapped in a wicking material, usually cotton. The Q2 happens to have two little coils in there.
With your device, the only thing that will affect your battery is the total resistance, which takes into account the number of coils. Technically, the 0.4 ohm Q2 will have two 0.8 ohm coils, but dual 0.8 ohm coils = 0.4 ohm resistance.
Note that if you ever switch to a more common regulated mod, this won't be true - the battery will only care about your wattage settings and not your resistance.
I was just going to ask how that worked for when you set the mod wattage because I was just playing with the ohms calculator in regards to the Smok Alien (was what came to mind) that used the .15 coils and I couldn’t find the voltage but I guess that doesn’t matter because it’s variable depending on what watt and ohm is being used right? I hope I’m understanding and if that’s correct it seems it’s almost easier and safer to go with something you can set vs one you can’t.
Also technically speaking then my coils being .6 would be .3 which brings my amps all the way up to 15?
Not quite. 0.6 is the total voltage, so the two individual coils should each be 1.2. The good news is that the resistance the coil is labelled as is the total/actual resistance of the atomizer, and that's the resistance your battery cares about.
It sounds like you're really getting interested. I think we've caught another one.
Regulated mods are safer and you get a more consistent vape with them.
Voltage comes from the battery. It's whatever the battery's voltage happens to be at the moment. The key thing to know here is that a battery's voltage is highest when it's fully charged and drops as it's discharged. For our 18650's, the maximum charge is 4.2 v. Most regulated mods will give a low battery warning at about 3.2 v.
With your mod, the voltage goes to the atomizer directly. You have the maximum voltage of the battery, the (constant) resistance of the atomizer, and you can calculate (maximum) wattage and amps from that. As you discharge the battery, its voltage will drop which will lower the watts and amps you're pulling. We don't worry about this when we're trying to find a suitable battery because we only need to know the maximum amps to make sure the battery is safe.
Regulated mods work differently. Power goes from the battery to the circuit board, where it's adjusted, and then goes to the atomizer. The battery never 'sees' the atomizer so it doesn't care what the resistance is. If you set your watts to 25 w, it will deliver 25 w to the atomizer whether the resistance is 0.2 ohm or 1.8 ohm. However, it doesn't take as many amps to produce 25 w when the battery's at 4.2 v as it does at 3.2 v. The board compensates for the falling voltage by pulling more amps, so amp draw is highest when the battery is discharged - the opposite of your mod. Since mods usually give a 'low battery' warning at or above 3.2 v, we usually use 3.2 v for regulated mod battery calculations.
Another factor to consider is that the board isn't totally efficient. It looses a little energy while it's adjusting the power. You also have to power the display and the board itself.
So, to calculate the amps you'll need on a regulated mod, the formula is:
(Watts) / (Voltage) / 0.9
The 0.9 is for board efficiency and powering the mod. We usually assume that about 90% of the power from the battery reaches the atomizer.
Somewhere back on the first page Baditude calculated that, when your battery is fully charged and you're using a 0.6 ohm coil, you're using about 30 watts. Since this is a calculation for a regulated mod, I'll use 3.2 v:
30 w / 3.2 v / 0.9 = 10.4 amps
So, if you wanted to set a one battery mod at 30 w, you'd need a battery with more than 10.4 amps.
You might be wondering why this is higher than it was for your mod (or you might have gone to sleep by now). Your mod puts out 30 w only when the battery is fully charged. When the voltage falls to 3.5 v, it's only putting out 20 watts. You'll notice the vape getting cooler and weaker. A regulated mod would keep putting out 30 watts (and you'd keep getting the same vape) until it reached 3.2 v, so it needs more amps to be able to do that.
And that's how it's different with a regulated mod. And I apologize profusely if I've given you another migraine.
I actually understand that fairly well and if I’m correct in what you’re saying, it would have been almost easier to go with regulated despite being completely overwhelmed by everything.
You have a regulated device. Let me go all the way back to the basics to help you understand a bit as to what's going on. Maybe it'll help you understand what is happening. Things will be over simplified, so to all the experts, I know there are many but's to it.
Ecigs work by creating heat through a wire that "boils" juice. When people want more vapor, they have two choices. One, is to simply put a second (or more) wire in, effectively doubling the vapor output.. but it also doubles the power requirement. If you have a .6 ohm dual coil setup, you essentially have two 1.2 ohm coils in it. The battery doesn't care what setup you have, it just works with the final result.
Another way to get more vapor, is to use a thicker wire. This, however, lets the electricity flow more, as well as have more surface area to heat up. There are plenty of other ways to increase surface area (ribbon wire, claptons, etc), but in the end, it's what the user likes that is more important.
Think of power as a water pipe. The voltage is the speed of the water... say 5 miles per hour. Think of amps as the size of the pipe. if you had a large pipe filled with water going 5mph, you're pumping a lot of water. but if you had a tiny pipe with water going 5mph, you will be pumping little water. Ohms would be resistance.. Think of it as the faucet. if you open your faucet all the way, the faucet isn't restricting the water as much, so it would allow for a lot of water to go through. AKA, you would be using a lot of power. If you opened the faucet a little, you would be restricting the flow more and less water comes out. AKA, less power. Now, think of wattage as gallons per minute. So, if you wanted 5 gallons per minute through a small pipe, a regulated device would automatically determine how fast the water should go to get that 5 gallons per minute. if you switched to a larger pipe, it would change the speed again... but the output would always be five gallons per minute.
Now, with batteries, they provide 4.2 volts fully charged. As they drain, they provide less power. With the low point being around 3.4 volts. at 3.4 volts, the battery is considered drained. Any lower and it can permanently damage the battery. most devices have a cutoff at that level. Your mod changes the wattage/amperage to try and get a constant 4.2 volts
Now your device does not have any control over regulating the wattage. I cannot determine what factors it decides on what wattage it uses. If I had to take an educated guess, I believe it will try to output 4.2 volts no matter what the battery charge is at and no matter what the ohms are. As long as the specs are within it's limits, it will change the wattage to get the 4.2 volts. If your ohms are high, like .6, it will lower the wattage to give you the 4.2 volts. However, if your ohms are low, it will raise the wattage to get the 4.2 volts. If you decide to get wild and put a real low ohm coil in there, you'll run into other limits. Again, I am totally guessing at this, but I would guess it has a 15 amp limit. So even if you put.. say a .1 ohm coil in it... it would run into an amp limit, and be forced to run at a lower voltage resulting in quite a lackluster vape.
In the end, I think it is very much like the Smok AIO, but with a replaceable battery and atomizer. if I had to recommend a battery for it, the LG HG2 is a 3000MaH battery that has a 20a rating instead of the samsung 30Q's 15a rating... so, it should be a bit safer. Of course, if you run the .6 ohm coil, you won't be getting anywhere near the ratings of either battery, so you probably couldn't tell the difference between one or the other. If you wish to actually control how much power you use, there are a slew of single battery 80w mods out there. one of my favorite and go to mods for single battery is the Eleaf Aster 75W TC. It's been out for a while, and there are still plenty of others out there like this.
The Priv V8 is a very unusual device. It's true that it's technically a regulated mod with features like low battery cutoff, resistance restrictions and power limitations, but output (and therefore the battery draw) works like a mech - it provides the actual battery voltage, not the consistent 4.2 v you've assumed. You can think of it as a mech with a few safety features.
I've been trying to find information about how the mod outputs it's power, and I cannot get any voltage output tests on it, so any link would help me help her. From what I've seen, It is the Smok AIO in a different form factor. I am under the impression it is like all the other regulated single battery mods out there, like the CF SubOhm, AIO, Eleaf Aster (not the 75wTC like I have, but the one with just a single battery), etc. The term regulated means it regulates the power, or limits it.HOW it limits it I do not know. The typical protection for a mech mod, is a Mofset, which is limits the amperage. But this mod lists regulation in wattage, not amperage. I have not seen any information about what it outputs, just information about how it's simple to use. If it provides the actual voltage the battery uses, it should not be listed as a regulated device, since there's no regulation on power, just a limit on it's ohms. The only information Smok says, is you get 60w using a .15 ohm coil. That's when you run into a 20a limit. However, what wattage is it running when you use a .6 ohm? if it limits only the amperage, that would put the mod at 12 volts, 240 watts... much higher than the 60w limit. It must limit something else... if it limits by wattage only, then by that spec, it would be running 6 volts 10 amps. Which is still a bit high of a voltage. What happens if someone manages to put a 1.2 ohm coil on it... would it fry the coil and run 8.4 volts through that little coil?
Geeze seems kind of scary!! Should I just not use this and go with something I can set the watts on?
It's kind of your choice. I have a couple unregulated devices, to have in case of some vast emergency.
It probably would be easier starting with a regulated device, if you are feeling concerned or worried. I prefer regulated, not because I don't understand the principles involved in an unregulated mod, but more because I tend to be inattentive at times. If I vape one, it's never going out of the house, and that's more about my ability to be consistent with safety at all times. I've read the mech threads enough and understand the principles enough that selecting a battery and a build wouldn't be so difficult. I'm more worried about that "ongoing consistency and being alert at all times thing." And, I have no complaints about any of my regulated mods, neither how they vape, nor how they offer more safety protections.
I think it's probably (likely) possible to get a great vape from a mech. But if you have worries, you don't have to vape unregulated all at once. You can certainly use a regulated first until you feel you understand all variables involved.
I did that by reading the mech threads, pretty consistently, and over time, watching what questions and answers were given, and also understanding what consistency and safety is required to "approach" a mech safely, so I'd say if you are worried, nothing wrong with regulated first. You can learn the skills you need, and you don't have to "rush" into it, in fact a desire to NOT rush into it may well be a good thing. Etc.
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It probably would be easier starting with a regulated device, if you are feeling concerned or worried. I prefer regulated, not because I don't understand the principles involved in an unregulated mod, but more because I tend to be inattentive at times. If I vape one, it's never going out of the house, and that's more about my ability to be consistent with safety at all times. I've read the mech threads enough and understand the principles enough that selecting a battery and a build wouldn't be so difficult. I'm more worried about that "ongoing consistency and being alert at all times thing." And, I have no complaints about any of my regulated mods, neither how they vape, nor how they offer more safety protections.
I think it's probably (likely) possible to get a great vape from a mech. But if you have worries, you don't have to vape unregulated all at once. You can certainly use a regulated first until you feel you understand all variables involved.
I did that by reading the mech threads, pretty consistently, and over time, watching what questions and answers were given, and also understanding what consistency and safety is required to "approach" a mech safely, so I'd say if you are worried, nothing wrong with regulated first. You can learn the skills you need, and you don't have to "rush" into it, in fact a desire to NOT rush into it may well be a good thing. Etc.
Anna
This is actually kind of me to a T.. I can be busy with you know LIFE and everything else.. I’m gonna do more research but thankfully I’m pretty much just in need of a mod if I don’t end up using it, I can still use the tank? Any suggestions on which mod that may fit the description that would fit the tank? That way I don’t have to rebuy everything I already have?
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